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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => Player Driven Content => Topic started by: Nmaro Makari on 05 May 2014, 17:28
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Spaceships. We like spaceships. Some of us even pretend to be quasi-immortal pilots of spaceships in an online community, or so the rumour goes.
But what of of the vehicles that we don't see in-game? How to people get from a to b on Caldari Prime? Do stations have a metro system? Is there such a thing in New Eden as a recreational vehicle?
Player created, general brainstorming or obscure CCP fiction, tell us about/show us the vehicles of New Eden.
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EVE Source covers Caldari Prime metropolitan transport systems. I can't even remember the exact name of it, but it goes into great detail on that.
Repulsorlifts don't seem to exist in EVE, as far as I know. Directed thrust seems to be the order of the day, if trailers and DUST vehicles are to be assumed. However, there is concept art of 'cloating' hoverbikes, without any visible thruster flares... so maybe I'm wrong.
Recreational vehicles do exist according to EVE market tabs, and according to lore. I'm too lazy to cite any sources, so meh.
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Hyperloops (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop), hyperloops everywhere :)
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Seylin used a magrail train system.
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*digs stuff up*
l'auto-hover (or l'hover) - an ornithopter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithopter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ornithopter)). There are many styles used in the Federation, but most are either of Gallentean or Mannar make.
I thought I ruminated on rattletrap rocket bikes somewhere, but I can't find it.
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The only ground vehicles I have seen are the Gallentean ground vehicles that are a commodity item. This leads me to believe that Caldari State and the Amarr Empire use, something else.
Hyperloops, trains, and moving sidewalks make a lot of sense on densely populated highly urbanized Caldari worlds.
Why no ground vehicles? Well, Caldari society is a militaristic fascist state. You don't go from point A to point B without proper authorization and clearance. If everyone travels by tube, there is an opportunity to check everyone's ID, inspect their itinerary, and scan them for contraband before and after they board.
Ground vehicles represent a certain degree of freedom, which is why the Gallente are so fond of using them and the Caldari heavily restrict their use.
I had actually imagined that the Amarrians would eschew motorized ground transportation completely, with the exception of trains and pneumatic tubes for slaves and cargo.
They would instead, still use animal mounts such as horses or giant two legged lizards for transportation. The reason for this? The Amarrians would argue that these animals are mentioned in scripture, and ground vehicles are not. In the stratified feudal heirarchy of Amarrian society, only the upper echelons of society (i.e. the 'Equestrians') would have the privilege of being able to ride mounts. Human slaves as rickshaw runners might also provide a taxi service in some cities.
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Stoneage Amarr with horseshit everywhere on the paved ways ? Even India these days is moving away from their sacred cows in cities...
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Besides what others have already mentioned, the novels which shall not be named also refer to Caldari hovercars.
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I had actually imagined that the Amarrians would eschew motorized ground transportation completely, with the exception of trains and pneumatic tubes for slaves and cargo.
They would instead, still use animal mounts such as horses or giant two legged lizards for transportation. The reason for this? The Amarrians would argue that these animals are mentioned in scripture, and ground vehicles are not. In the stratified feudal heirarchy of Amarrian society, only the upper echelons of society (i.e. the 'Equestrians') would have the privilege of being able to ride mounts. Human slaves as rickshaw runners might also provide a taxi service in some cities.
Amarr are a highly advanced society that embraces science and progress. Religion does not equal backwater and I really dislike seeing people constantly assume that. The Scriptures are an ever changing document that include, among other things, scientific advancements. The first car is probably written down in Scriptures, as would be the first plane, anti-grav tech, jump drives, and so on. Though they include ancient Books and passages where appropriate for historical and spiritual purposes, the Scriptures as a whole are kept modern and relate to today's Amarr.
This is Amarr:
[spoiler](http://i1.2pcdn.com/node14/image/game/50dbb83561fc10d103c74dd7/50ea35cfc01d1ae8c1e4b5a7/20130106215915a0dd7bjv6ysk1dkn.jpg)[/spoiler]
In the "Chained to the Sky" chronicle, which describes a slave district, we have hoverstrollers and autocaravans, which two slaves duck under while they discuss their jobs of translating ancient texts and scientific research and development. In "The Part Where I Play the Devil", a holder is described as using a flight-capable planetary vehicle which was said to crash into the ocean while en route to meet with Aritcio. On EVElopedia, getting a driving license and personal ground vehicle is considered a rite of passage in "most cultures in New Eden", Amarr nobility are described as regularly using hovercars (where working class people normally use wheeled vehicles), and Noble Appliances, an interstellar Amarr corporation, is known to produce expensive luxury planetary vehicles. In images like the above and in trailers Prophecy and Fanfest 2012 you see plenty of flying vehicles in regular use in Amarr cities, at about 1:18 and 1:08 respectively. And in EVE itself, you see hover vehicles driving to and fro in every single Amarr station.
Now, some areas of the Empire might be less modernized than others and indeed, "A Visit Worthwhile" describes one such world where it sounds like a third world nation RL. But this is not the case for most of the Empire and is definitely not something that would be mandated by the religion.
Regarding ground transportation tech in general:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bioturb (essentially hyperloops)
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hovercars
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_vehicles_%28lore%29
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Amarr is likely to have far more variation amongst and between planets, than any of the other major powers.
There is the cultural context of the possibility of, and means of suppressing, revolts against the ruler.
Public transport that runs on rails - trains, trams and the like, is unusable in the event of a slave revolt, because the tracks only go in certain directions. So Amarr planets would likely have a lot of rail systems, of a variety of designs, according to the whims of the local Holder - some may have steam trains that run on steel rails, others may have anti-gravitic monorails.
Private vehicles might have a tendency towards one or two-person vehicles, to minimise their utility to any revolters.
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+1 Samira
For Amarr God's sake (and not Space Christianity's in a book people imagine hasnt changed in 20,000 years), Amrrians have hovercars.
The Scripture is a LIVING document. This means that every year it grows.
Not a dead document, clung to and un-added to for thousands and thousands of years.
The reason Amarrians are such the friggin bad guys in the first place is they re-discovered space travel first, and used it to try and make everyone Amarrian...
... they didn't do that on a rickshaw. ;)
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Gathering from Planetary vehicles Eve Wiki (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_vehicles_(lore)) Wheeled ground vehicles are still the most common, simply because they're cheap & easy to maintain. Hoovervehicles however are also widely avaible, mainly in the core regions.
On tech used for hoover, two systems are in use, Magnetic levitation (non rail variety) and anti-grav. Maglev is most used, as the tech is much more known & researched, indicating that anti-grav is a fairly recent tech.
Also, concerning ground vehicles, one with the nomination 'Gallente Vehicle' just means Luxury vehicle, even if it's made in the State according to the Wiki. The megacorp NOH is actually one of 3 corps famous for luxury vehicles, other two being Quafe (no surprise) and Noble Appliances, an amarr corp who only produces goods for the extreme wealthy.
On Public transport, Minmatar have a thing with rails it seems. On their homeworld, in the Brutor tribe area, trains are used, albeit mainly as tribute to their heritage (Bruto had a vast railwaynetwork before the Amarr came) More modern variant they use is a monorail, but the chronicle refers to it as Bioturbs (Chronicle: Present Pieces)
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I now have this image of the Amarrian reclaiming involving space dinosaurs pulling golden chariots crewed by soldiers shooting their lazors.
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I now have this image of the Amarrian reclaiming involving space dinosaurs pulling golden chariots crewed by soldiers shooting their lazors.
"Stomp me closer, I want to shoot them with my laz0r"?
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I now have this image of the Amarrian reclaiming involving space dinosaurs pulling golden chariots crewed by soldiers shooting their lazors.
[spoiler](https://disseminatedthought.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/dino-riders.jpg)[/spoiler]
:?:
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I now have this image of the Amarrian reclaiming involving space dinosaurs pulling golden chariots crewed by soldiers shooting their lazors.
"Stomp me closer, I want to shoot them with my laz0r"?
The heathens would deserve nothing less. :lol:
EDIT: Maybe something like this
(http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2013/10/laser-heads-resized.jpg)
FOR THA EMPRAH!!!
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(http://www.8cn.tv/sites/default/files/styles/500x262/public/dino-storm.jpg?itok=eH2P-xn6)
AMARR VICTOR
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Gathering from Planetary vehicles Eve Wiki (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Planetary_vehicles_(lore)) Wheeled ground vehicles are still the most common, simply because they're cheap & easy to maintain. Hoovervehicles however are also widely avaible, mainly in the core regions.
On tech used for hoover, two systems are in use, Magnetic levitation (non rail variety) and anti-grav. %aglev is most sued, as the tech is much more known & researched, indicating that anti-grav is a fairly recent tech.
Also, concerning ground vehicles, one with the nomination 'Gallente Vehicle' just means Luxury vehicle, even if it's made in the State according to the Wiki. The megacorp NOH is actually one of 3 corps famous for luxury vehicles, other two being Quafe (no surprise) and Noble Appliances, an amarr corp who only produces goods for the extreme wealthy.
On Public transport, Minmatar have a thing with rails it seems. On their homeworld, in the Brutor tribe area, trains are used, albeit mainly as tribute to their heritage (Bruto had a vast railwaynetwork before the Amarr came) More modern variant they use is a monorail, but the chronicle refers to it as Bioturbs (Chronicle: Present Pieces)
Railways are low-tech, can be automated to follow a schedule, easy to maintain and etc. It fits right into the 'if it works, don't fix/replace it' mentality.
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I am integrating the laser dinosaur ensemble into all my future RP. fyi
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Synthia has a motor vehicle in Traditional Style, for Ceremonial Purposes.
It would look like a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost:
[spoiler](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Rolls-Royce_Silver_Ghost_at_Centenary.jpg)[/spoiler]
For non ceremonial purposes, Synthia's transportation would be more like:
[spoiler](http://www.wramrobinson.demon.nl/tb/ROLLS.JPG)[/spoiler]
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Synthia has a motor vehicle in Traditional Style, for Ceremonial Purposes.
It would look like a Rolls Royce Silver Ghost:
[spoiler](http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Rolls-Royce_Silver_Ghost_at_Centenary.jpg)[/spoiler]
For non ceremonial purposes, Synthia's transportation would be more like:
[spoiler](http://www.wramrobinson.demon.nl/tb/ROLLS.JPG)[/spoiler]
Elmund's personal transport comes in the form of legs and a tram ticket. He did, however, operate rovers (on barren planets and lava planets), industrial MTACs, stratospheric skiffs (on gas giants) and surface-to-orbit vessels by hand semi-frequently. Back in the day he also operated dropships, minelayers, bridge-builders and militarised MTACs.
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I am integrating the laser dinosaur ensemble into all my future RP. fyi
+1 like. tere anre plans int he world for this.. that will equate the most hrorific in RP.
Though I will be iting the scriptures (with help) and they'll look *damned serious*. :D
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Well maybe the whole thing about dinosaurs sounds silly, but consider this...
Slavery as an institution exists in Amarr. That really changes everything about Amarr society. The slavery is enforced by the Church, who deems it an essential procedure and step towards enlightenment. That means anything which is a 'labour saving device' is depriving a slave of their labour, and thus towards spiritual enlightenment.
When we are thinking of religion here, let's compare the Amarr with the Amish. In Amish communities, contrary to what many people believe, they all vote on whether a technological device should be permitted into their communities or not. Generally, the consensus is that internal combustion engines are bad, but telephones and internet are good.
Since the Theological council would likely be similar to the Amish councils, do you think that a labour saving device such as an automobile would be permitted in Amarr societies?
Let's imagine for a minute that they are. Would you like your slave to drive you to the store? Would you let your slave fix your brakes? Will you pack your slaves in the trunk of your car as you head downtown?
Having a slave society is as much work for the Masters as it is for the slaves. You have to constantly find work for that slave to do. 18-20 hours a day, you must remind that slave that your wishes are the most important thing in their minds. That means constant surveillance and constant activity. Slaves are expensive to buy and keep, so their existence must be justified.
In a Caldari society, the Caldari would invent a labour saving device and think it was clever since it saved a certain amount of job hours, and hence money. A Conservative Amarrian would be abhorred by such a machine, since by replacing the work of four slaves, it only means four slaves are now farther from the enlightening path of a few decades of forced labour.
So, I can definitely see the Theological council forbidding the use of something like a backhoe, because it would deprive hundreds of slaves with shovels of their opportunity for 'enlightenment'. I can think of no better example of bureacratic corruption than the theological council refusing to give their blessings to some machine part made by machine in a Caldari factory, and not by hand.
Look at how Amarrian society is described in the prime fiction again. 'Slow and plodding, like their ships'. A patchwork. Diverse. Deeply religious, with potentially thousands of sects. An empire spanning thousands of planets and countless number of indigenous populations. It's also a Feudal society. Empresses, Kings, Knights, Barons and so forth. It states in the Prime fiction that after the collapse of the EVE gate, Amarrian society reverted back to as far as the bronze age. That means that Amarr would have gone through a medieval period, likely with spectacular churches and so on.
The population of the major planets on ALL worlds is overpopulated. Jobs are scarce. Amarr slave owning worlds have the additional burden of making sure that NONE of their slaves are ever 'unemployed', even if it means doing road cleaning or road repair.
In a society where religion was of such central importance, I think that walking would be more important than automotive transportation. Shrines, relics, sacred groves and the like, don't seem like the sort of thing someone would want to rush by.
AS far as the Amarrians settling on an earth like, habitable planet that was still in it's dinosaur age? Why not? The EVE gate is on the other side of the Universe. The Amarr empire spans thousands of planets and hundreds of thousands of indigenous cultures. I think 'dinosaur taming' would be a good background reason why the Amarrians sought slavery as their main means to problem solving. It would certainly look futuristic, and alien and bizarre.
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The thing is.
Some Imperials are devout. Other are not. Both sorts own slaves and both sorts are represented amongst the heirs and have political influence.
Plus, CCP's own art indicates that the Amarr use modern transportation methods. That said given the size of the empire I'm sure there are riding lizards somewhere.
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Yes true.
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Mhm. Last I checked the Pennsy Dutch had everything plated in gold ;)
Pride is an aspect of Amarrian religion. It is anathema to the Amish.
Also, in between Holder and Slave are whole hosts of, erm. Citizens.
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I tend to think the Amarrians built their first rockets and spacecraft with the sort of parts that require precision engineering and extremely high tolerances capable of only being made via scientific inquiry and industrial revolution rather than being powered by prayers, faith, and hordes of slaves on space dinosaurs.
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We'd definitely never allow the slaves to use the dinosuars. They are Sacred.
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CCP need to change picture on the Day of Darkness chronicle from current one to something like this. :P
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/VyPOi.jpg)[/spoiler]
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CCP need to change picture on the Day of Darkness chronicle from current one to something like this. :P
[spoiler](http://i.imgur.com/VyPOi.jpg)[/spoiler]
Errr, that's from the Minmatar Rebellion when the Matari stole the dinosaurs and fit them with projectile weapons to fight the Amarr.
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For some reason, I'm reminded of the time when Ché was watching Bucky o'Hare in The Bunny Lounge:
*Che Biko looks over his shoulder to the screen
*Che Biko wonders about if the gorrila is some sort of racist depiction of a Sebiestor/Brutor hybrid
*Che Biko looks at the screen and is becoming increasingly convinced that the cartoon is some sort of metaphore for the Amarr-Minmatar war.
*Liuni Kalthis comes in through a hologram, spinning on that usual bench. "I swear, I think I'm starting to hate the Amarr god; and I mean hate as in wishing it was dead and gone."
*Che Biko blinks at Liuni
Liuni Kalthis > "Reclaiming, a house spewing about it."
*Cynthia Gallente giggles> She's talking about the frogs, ché.
*Che Biko nods > Oh yeah...
Che Biko > Is that boy the representation of the Gallente Federation?
Arista Shahni is sitting at an angle that she can't really see the sceen, but turns and says, "I think it looks like a cartoon. Shouldn't put too much stock in cartoon symbolism. It's brightly colored swill to keep children busy."
*Arista Shahni winks.
*Che Biko looks at Arista semi seriously > I would not count on that.
*Che Biko makes a WTF face as the boy escapes and evades the tram.
Che Biko > Pirate?
*Arista Shahni chuckles from the couch.
Arista Shahni > "Any money is pirates money!"
Che Biko > This is getting confusing.
Arista Shahni > "I told you.. multicolored swill. I was never exposed to this stuff as a kid."
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Wow, that's the totally CHILL Ari people rarely ever see anymore :D