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[Samira Kernher]

Well then you can put that in multiple clones, can't you?

Yes. And as has already been said, there is nothing that stops people from doing this except a LAW. And laws can and have been broken.

[Silas Vitalia]

OLD EVE LORE:

Soft Clone Scan:   A fancy eve machine makes a slow and detailed scan of person A, right before they eat a sandwhich.  The scan doesn't kill person A.   The scan is saved in fancy EVE hard drive to be installed on a brain-empty, in stasis shell clone (person B) at a later time.   

Person A eats a sandwich, and then gets food poisoning and dies.

Fancy EVE computer installs the stored backup of person A onto empty clone B, who wakes up with no memory of eating that sandwich or dying.  Everything person A did after the slow scan is 'missing' from this clone B.

Hyper Illegal punishable by CONCORD wtf bbq:  Install memory and wake up clone B while clone A is still alive.  Now two independent instances of person A running around, derping up the universe.  Basically this is not an option for RPers because they've said over and over again it just doesn't happen, etc etc.  I don't buy this logic for the IP because what, space vampires blood farming is ok but two clones and it's a big issue? Plot fail.

Old Lore:

Hard Scan - in ur pod, bein podded, the instant the pod seal breaks, person A gets euthanized by the pod, and a basically instantaneous flash scan is done of their brain, and beamed to and installed in empty, waiting clone B.  As far as person A is concerned there is no 'loss' of consciousness. 

Here's where we can of course debate the super serrrius matters of continuity of consciousness, death, and continuance of soul, whatever.  A subject for higher minds than me.



NEW LORE:

DERP DERP NO SOFT SCANS NO MORE. WE WERE UH, WRONG ABOUT THAT.  HARD SCANNIN ALL THE TIME.

At least that's my interpretation of the retconned PF?

[Halcyon]

MY interpretation is "Our lore wasn't grimdark enough. Go kill yourselves on a regular basis."

[Morwen Lagann]

MY interpretation is "Our lore wasn't grimdark enough. Go kill yourselves on a regular basis."

Should we petition CCP's lore team for abusive language?

[Mizhara]

Don't mind it at all. Casually killing yourself to get to your staging area without having to slowboat is another of the things that separate eggers from baseliners. A capacity and willingness to leave behind mortality and embrace immortality.

Don't like killing yourself? Shouldn't have become a capsuleer who dies on a regular basis anyway.

[Samira Kernher]

MY interpretation is "Our lore wasn't grimdark enough. Go kill yourselves on a regular basis."

Welcome to cloning.

[Esna Pitoojee]

OLD EVE LORE:

Soft Clone Scan:   A fancy eve machine makes a slow and detailed scan of person A, right before they eat a sandwhich.  The scan doesn't kill person A.   The scan is saved in fancy EVE hard drive to be installed on a brain-empty, in stasis shell clone (person B) at a later time.   

Person A eats a sandwich, and then gets food poisoning and dies.

Fancy EVE computer installs the stored backup of person A onto empty clone B, who wakes up with no memory of eating that sandwich or dying.  Everything person A did after the slow scan is 'missing' from this clone B.

Hyper Illegal punishable by CONCORD wtf bbq:  Install memory and wake up clone B while clone A is still alive.  Now two independent instances of person A running around, derping up the universe.  Basically this is not an option for RPers because they've said over and over again it just doesn't happen, etc etc.  I don't buy this logic for the IP because what, space vampires blood farming is ok but two clones and it's a big issue? Plot fail.

Old Lore:

Hard Scan - in ur pod, bein podded, the instant the pod seal breaks, person A gets euthanized by the pod, and a basically instantaneous flash scan is done of their brain, and beamed to and installed in empty, waiting clone B.  As far as person A is concerned there is no 'loss' of consciousness. 

Here's where we can of course debate the super serrrius matters of continuity of consciousness, death, and continuance of soul, whatever.  A subject for higher minds than me.



NEW LORE:

DERP DERP NO SOFT SCANS NO MORE. WE WERE UH, WRONG ABOUT THAT.  HARD SCANNIN ALL THE TIME.

At least that's my interpretation of the retconned PF?

I've never seen an official denial of softscans existing. They just exist now in the same limbo they did before (not officially recognized, but not denied either) and have still been tacitly referenced by CCP actors and employees.

[Louella Dougans]

having multiple copies of yourself at the same time all under the control of 1 mind, is just lol.

like, what it means is, if you're at an RP location, what it says IC to the other characters, is "You are only worth 1/8th of my attention". If you had 7 other bodies roaming around, that is.

A touch rude, that.

Just like that bit in Watchmen, with Dr. Manhattan.

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

I remember a discussion about this on the EM boards way back. Arakady Sadik's player said he felt soft scan tech would be inconsistent with the general grimdark tone of EVE. Too Star Trek for his tastes.

I figured that if you soft scan prior to jump cloning (which would make sense given implants are not destroyed) then you are effectively murdering the previous version of yourself in that body when you return to it. Now how's that for grimdark?

[Ché Biko]

Hmm. There is some truth to what LouDou said, perhaps.

"What was Saede doing while I was with her? Was she causing death and destruction in some system lightyears away? Was she telling a bedtime story to her sister?"
These thoughts have crossed Ché's mind, although not always because of the diverted attention, because Ché is also sometimes multitasking and spreading his attention even if he only has one body.
At any rate, I don't see it as ruder than using holo's while doing other stuff, or even physicaly talking to someone while also being active on your Neocom channels, and both seem to happen quite a bit.

[Esna Pitoojee]

I remember a discussion about this on the EM boards way back. Arakady Sadik's player said he felt soft scan tech would be inconsistent with the general grimdark tone of EVE. Too Star Trek for his tastes.

I figured that if you soft scan prior to jump cloning (which would make sense given implants are not destroyed) then you are effectively murdering the previous version of yourself in that body when you return to it. Now how's that for grimdark?

Ironically I always felt that Softscan cloning was the most grimdark version of cloning available in EVE: Unlike hardscanning, claiming it's the same consciousness as the one that 'died' is much more of a stretch, and the consequences of dying while softscanned (serious memory loss, time lapse, possibly having no way to figure out what or who killed you) lends itself much more to 'grimdark' stories.

[Saede Riordan]

Hmm. There is some truth to what LouDou said, perhaps.

"What was Saede doing while I was with her? Was she causing death and destruction in some system lightyears away? Was she telling a bedtime story to her sister?"
These thoughts have crossed Ché's mind, although not always because of the diverted attention, because Ché is also sometimes multitasking and spreading his attention even if he only has one body.
At any rate, I don't see it as ruder than using holo's while doing other stuff, or even physicaly talking to someone while also being active on your Neocom channels, and both seem to happen quite a bit.

It might be a very interesting story to write down the line. What is each Saede doing at any given point in time?

[Silas Vitalia]

Reasonable arguments for softscanning still being a thing.

Multiple active clones is a big no-no, I think you lose your capsuleer license for that kind of thing? That's like CONCORD prime directive #1?

Maybe if you kept them locked up in an isolation ward and never told another living person about it ever?  And murdered all the clone techs?

[Merdaneth]

It is Merdaneth's firm belief that multiple clones of the same person are impossible. Due to the soul, a piece of the divine, being impossible to copy.

His belief is supported by fact. Capsuleers are not afraid to break laws if it suits their purposes, in fact, most feel quite above any law and certainly don't defer to the rules of Concord or the empires. But he hasn't met anyone who has multiple copies running. He also hasn't met anyone who feels that having multiple copies is a law that shouldn't be broken.

Ergo, there is motivation to make multiple clones, capsuleers don't find it immoral to do so, and the law cannot be enforced. Then the only reason something isn't happening because its impossible.

[Saede Riordan]

So, I'm actually doing it, I have multiple clones running around.