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Esna Pitoojee

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"This is EVE"
« on: 21 Nov 2014, 19:59 »

EVE's new trailer is out.

Does it misrepresent EVE horribly? Yes.
Does it completely ignore the hours of boredom that will pass between the fights seen here? Yes.
Is it awesome anyhow? Absolutely.

Forget HURF BLURF CAPSULEERS REBELLING - this is a good EVE trailer.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #1 on: 21 Nov 2014, 20:12 »

It is what makes it worth it though. The hours of boredom. The losses. The failures. The time spent earning the isk.

... then it comes. The stars align and you get that unbelievable "FUCK YEAH!" moment that no other game in human history has managed to come close to.

Sure it misrepresents Eve. Sure it ignores a lot of things. Still, that video? The essence of Eve.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #2 on: 21 Nov 2014, 20:44 »

I wouldn't say it misrepresents Eve at all. In fact, I would argue that this is quite possibly the most accurate depiction of the game to come directly from CCP ever.

However, I will concede that the depiction here is vastly disproportionate, showing a bunch of things that involve a LOT of less-than-fun setup (e.g. bombing runs, fleet fights, pipebombing, industry, basically everything shown) whittled down to the few moments of exhilaration when it all comes to fruition.

But in the end, these moments are all that matter. In a week, a month, a year, the time you spent setting up your operations and gathering the needed ISK will be long forgotten. But what you got in return - the payoff, that looks often much like any one snippet of this video - will be what you talk about every time you talk about why you play Eve.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #3 on: 21 Nov 2014, 20:54 »

Maybe I wasn't clear.

"Misrepresenting EVE" wasn't a criticism. It was pointing out that the trailer highlights the parts of the game that make it really worth playing; not an ill-defined promise of "power" or shiny graphics, but coming together to get that payoff with a bunch of buddies (for better or for worse).
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #4 on: 21 Nov 2014, 22:06 »

I love this trailer.  Got tingles.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #5 on: 22 Nov 2014, 00:28 »

"Does it completely ignore the hours of boredom that will pass between the fights seen here?"

No. They showed a guy mining.

I think the trailers in general misrepresent EVE because they are somehow more cinematic than what we see in game.

Otherwise, they showed the Industrial/ PVE part of the game that usually gets ignored in trailers because it's not as interesting to see spreadsheets as it is to see pew pew.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #6 on: 22 Nov 2014, 00:35 »

It's not the kind of trailer that gets me going, but I've heard pretty much everyone liking it. So bravo to CCP.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #7 on: 22 Nov 2014, 00:51 »

Eh, not a fan.

I like the lore trailers, not the 'this is a fun vidya game' ones.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #8 on: 22 Nov 2014, 00:59 »

Eh, not a fan.

I like the lore trailers, not the 'this is a fun vidya game' ones.

Me, too. Besides the fact that I think this sort of trailer, if it would attract anyone (which is doubtful, in my opinion) it would attract them for a level of interaction and 'fun' that is not regular or common for most EVE players. If someone watched that and signed up for a trial? They aren't going to find what they're looking for.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #9 on: 22 Nov 2014, 02:22 »

It is meh to me. But good to see them put another one out.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #10 on: 22 Nov 2014, 02:50 »

I also love lore trailers, but you can't keep putting out similar material. Simply put, lore itself doesn't sell.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #11 on: 22 Nov 2014, 03:06 »

Needs more drunk slurring. 

Also lemming jumping.

 
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #12 on: 22 Nov 2014, 03:20 »

I guess that I never really got hooked like you all did.

What I mostly remember from my time playing Eve is equally those very rare and extremely ephemeral moments that count for like 0,0001% of my play time. I can even count them on the fingers of my hand. They were great though. I agree that the very fact that the gameplay allows this is quite unique.

But also equally, or even more, the rest, the 99,9999% spent grinding and doing absolutely tedious shit to get to that uncertain graal above, and I loathed it. Was it not for RP, I would have left past one or two years of play, which I say, is already huge considering that on other MMOs I would have done the same past a few weeks.

And yeah, I remember perfectly well all that tedious grind all too much. And a lot of people I know, actually most people I got into trying the game, dropped out of that precise boredom.

So yeah, when I look at that video, which is a great video that effectively brings me back memories, I think that vid totally fails to address new players and actually talks very well to vets. That's endemic to a problem with CCP marketing and gameplay since day one actually. They cater to their paying subscribers, not to the potential new players. They are almost enslaved to their paying subscribers. Especially all the conservative ones and the vocal minorities.

Eh, not a fan.

I like the lore trailers, not the 'this is a fun vidya game' ones.

Same, and while this one sure brings me back in the old days, and actually speaks to me through things similar to what happened to me, I think I started to dislike their new trailers past the Dominion one, which was exactly like that. Or the "I was here lulz" one.

"Does it completely ignore the hours of boredom that will pass between the fights seen here?"

No. They showed a guy mining.

I think the trailers in general misrepresent EVE because they are somehow more cinematic than what we see in game.

Otherwise, they showed the Industrial/ PVE part of the game that usually gets ignored in trailers because it's not as interesting to see spreadsheets as it is to see pew pew.


If you look at the first eve trailers up until Revelations and Trinity, they were actual gameplay trailers. Ok, they were sure more focused on a chilling space atmosphere and very ethereal ambiants, but they actually showed the game as it was.

I have nothing against cinematic trailers as they started doing at TEA. They are awesome in their own way. I just think that a video game company that forgets to show gameplay trailers is doing it wrong (hell, the one I work for do the exact same mistake and it shows on every forum : "wtf ? The game i'm playing is nothing like shown in that trailer ! I want my money back !"). Blizzard, as usual, on that point, got it perfectly right : they always have high budget CGI trailers, and actual gameplay trailers.
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #13 on: 22 Nov 2014, 06:53 »

Well, I loved the trailer. Its easily the best one in my opinion since EVE Never Fades, it really shows the game and what makes it great.

So to the haters:
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Re: "This is EVE"
« Reply #14 on: 22 Nov 2014, 07:42 »

I have to disagree with you there, Lyn.

The trailer says "This game can be fun, listen to how much fun these dudes are having".

Which really is the essence of Vidyo Gaem.
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