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Re: An idea to spark an RP resurgence. Looking for support.
« Reply #30 on: 18 Nov 2014, 15:11 »

Well, at the moment, I'm pretty much it in the Minmatar Terrorist department. The only other one decided to quit, heh.

Ah! Well, you never know when you may run across an old timer looking to jump the stakes once more.

you know what they say...once a Minmatar terrorist, always a Minmatar terrorist.

Hurr hurr  :oops:

Yeah...I'm not really sure anyone else actually said that besides myself.

I'm actually referencing the fact I just joined Amarr militia xD All these names I know and hate but can't shoot q.q

Hmmmm...he might have a use for someone like that too.  ;)

Feel free to send me a mail ^^ Ingame name is the same as forum.
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« Reply #31 on: 19 Nov 2014, 06:16 »

Ohhhh yess.

This is relevant to my interests. Sign me up. You can find me IG as "Rhiannon Dellacorte"
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« Reply #32 on: 19 Nov 2014, 07:59 »

Right now I'm making it around meeting people. I'm trying to keep much of it in-character, but I will be following leads to get people I need properly manipulated for my plans. Keep in mind that's who Visian/Vapor is...a warm, charismatic, manipulator of people. But those that have expressed interest will most likely be contacted at some point for parts in his game both big and small. He's trying to instigate.

I'm glad a lot of you seem interested. Thanks!
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« Reply #33 on: 19 Nov 2014, 12:09 »

Sounds interesting...
Count me interested.

probably more likely to get involved in larger RP arcs with Yuni rather than Rok...
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Re: An idea to spark an RP resurgence. Looking for support.
« Reply #34 on: 19 Nov 2014, 12:13 »

So this is interesting, but I'm really not sure how I would get involved in it.
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Re: An idea to spark an RP resurgence. Looking for support.
« Reply #35 on: 19 Nov 2014, 12:55 »

Okay, so I've been trying to write this post for a couple days, so here goes an actual shot. You are going to run into two major problems in this idea, which I will try and explain and then solicit suggestions on how to avoid.

1. The viability of conflict-producing decisions: Simplest one: What do you do when there is a decision where one choice might cause interesting conflict, but the other one is the logical, sane choice for a capsuleer in that position to make? Example: You have an story-important item which needs to get from one place to another. You could put it into a hauler, or maybe a plain-PvP ship if it's small enough, and make the trip with escort (risky, but definitely a conflict driver) OR you could put it in a fast-warping, cloaky Covops transport (by far the better choice, but not likely to drive conflict). If you create conflict but die in a stupid way, you look dumb for not making an obvious choice. If you make the trip in the covops, you did the smart thing but don't necessarily generate content.

2. Coordinating PvP 'levels' between sides: When you have a pseudo-organized PvP event coming up, how do you make sure both sides are on the same level regarding what they are expecting the fight to be like? How do you keep one side from bringing an 'unbeatable' setup (accidentally or deliberately) and making it boring? Does any further OOC coordination and setup go to far in IC/OOC mixing? Example: A while back there was some semi-staged PvP between the Amarr/Khanid/I-RED and Sansha/Blooders. The actual fight turned out to be a huge disappointment because the Sansha/Blooders looked at who we were bringing and expected a highly-coordinated, ECM-heavy fleet; they responded by bringing a kiting destroyer force. Problem was, we had thought the fight was to be a fun little rumble with no coordination and brought whatever. The end result was that we had no chance and left after loosing several ships. I do not blame the other side for this - they did the perfectly reasonable thing under what they knew; the question is, how are things like this to be avoided in the future?
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« Reply #36 on: 19 Nov 2014, 13:27 »

1. Anything of this nature I would imagine being set-up so that if the goal is to find the ship, the cargo, whatever...then it has to be possible or what's the point otherwise? It just has to be the proper actor in the proper role acting in a proper nature. Maybe it's a new pod pilot for, I don't know, a pirate corp. He/she doesn't yet have the ability to use cloaking technology, but the higher ups in the corp really thinks it'll be a laugh to put them through it. Actual story can be manipulated with no problem. You just have to have willing participants.

2. As far as coordinating battles so close to the vest, I'm totally against it. Maybe for the major battles, yeah sure. I'd never tell people what they could bring though and it's completely up to the leadership of involved corporations to come to a handshake agreement if they want to do that. It's my opinion that if you are a smart FC and you know you're facing a no-win situation, you either fight to inflict monetary damage on the other side knowing full-well you'll likely suffer an ultimate loss or you retreat and regroup.

The whole purpose of this for me is to get the disparate RP entities out there working together, forming strange alliances, political intrigue ensuing, etc. If you can't fight an enemy, perhaps you need to learn to consider to adapt and make the enemy of your enemy your friend, no matter how distasteful it may be. It happens all of the time in the real world and no matter allegiances in Eve or how your character may feel about things, this is likely to happen all the time as well. That aspect may also promote individual RP within the corps giving them more depth as well.

The big thing is that it remains organic and not overly "planned." As people become involved, they need to feel like they're actively a participant and not just following along. That's what keeps it fresh in my opinion.
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« Reply #37 on: 19 Nov 2014, 16:22 »

Perhaps a 'Macguffin.'

The Maltese Falcon was a Macguffin. The characters were all willing to kill, lie, steal to get it, but it was never explained why. The reason wasn't important. It was just an object that drove the plot along, linked the characters, and created conflict. The arc of Indiana Jones, the Lochnar of Heavy Metal, the Incal light, it doesn't matter how many different stories, characters, or worlds are involved, the MacGuffin brings them all together.

In the case of EVE, let's suggest a doll. They are easy enough to buy, and you can even find them in mining missions.

Why is one ordinary doll so important that everyone has to get it? Does it belong to someone important? Does it contain something interesting, like a data core? Maybe it is an ancient artifact found at the EVE gate from long forgotten Earth?

I had been conceiving a story where a Gallentian archaeologist working at the EVE gate uncovers some evidence that all four races once originated from one planet. The Amarrian theological council hears about this, and sends out a patrol to have this man killed, his ship destroyed, and all of his artifacts eliminated. The man has an only son, who is six years old. After his ship starts melting in a battle with the Amarrians, the Archaeologist desperately starts stuffing his artifacts into a 'homing drone', a non-weaponized drone similar to a mining drone that can deliver small parcels at sub light speeds.   

His son grows up to become a worthless loafer. He is a university drop out who spends his time and Father's inheritance money in the night clubs of Caille. When he is about 26, the homing drone arrives at his home address. It might be a Doll from the planet Earth, or perhaps a datacore, or both. A holographic recording by his father will have explained what happened to him, and the importance of this doll.

The son contacts the Archaeology department at the University, explaining what just arrived at his house. The head of the Archaeology department nearly has a fit, then calms himself. He informs the son that those artifacts belong in a museum, etc. The son is wondering if these artifacts have a cash value. He takes a photo of the doll and uploads it to the net, trying to auction it off. He watches as the price steadily increases into billions of ISK, and so does his bounty. There is the sound of weapons fire, as two Gallente bounty hunters defeat the home security system and start searching the home. The son hides behind one of the sex androids he keeps in his closet.

The son manages to escape his house without detection, however he now sees a video screen with his face on it, and the billions of ISK reward for his capture. As a petty crook and loafer, he realizes that everyone in his own social circle knows where he lives, where he frequents, and will come looking for him to turn him in. He decides he has to leave the planet and live as a fugitive.

The Amarrians refer to the artifact as 'the abomination', and will go to great lengths to obtain and destroy it. They believe that the knowledge and evidence it contains about the 'single planet origin theory' will undermine their entire feudalistic, slave labor based society. The balance of power in EVE will shift towards the Gallenteans, and away from the Amarrians and the Caldari.

This makes the artifact something of a hot potato. The value of it increases exponentially until it is worth more than a Titan. If you could manage to sell it, you would be rich! However, once people find out you are in possession of it, every mercenary in New Eden is out to kill you and take it for themselves.

So, somehow your character comes into contact with this artifact, or 'abomination'. It might just be news, an Amarrian loyalist might not see or be in possession of it (since they would destroy it and/or turn it in), but might wonder why PIE is diverting half it's fleet to search for this object. A Minmatar pirate might think it's payday, then realize that every pirate in low sec will be out to kill them. Some people might not even realize it's financial value, simply picking it up and keeping it with them as some kind of decoration.

I thought that a talking doll might be funny, perhaps even a talking teddy bear. The word 'bear' is a pejorative in EVE, but it is never explained why. There is even a story about an Amarrian torture chamber filled with talking teddy bears with creepy eyes that say "I love you. Do you love me? I love you. Do you love me?" I think it was meant to be funny, but why are there teddy bears in EVE? Weren't they named after the American President Theodore Roosevelt? It might be a torture if talking Teddy bears were the 'abomination' that Amarrians feared, sort of like the cage full of rats they put over Winston Smith's face in 1984.   

I think a doll is generic enough so that everyone can make up their own story why everyone is trying to kill them in order to get it. You can pick up and dispose of the doll whenever you want, so long as it is never destroyed or inaccessible to others. Keep the doll with you for a while, make it your little traveling companion, pull the string and listen to it talk. Have some strange nightmares about it.

Getting rid of the doll means that you have passed the 'hot potato' to someone else. Toss it in the garbage or jet can it into space. You don't even need to know the person whom you passed it on to. It would make a fun gift to pass on to someone that you wanted to see killed.

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« Reply #38 on: 19 Nov 2014, 16:36 »

Amazing idea! Only thing that could make this better is if all players were allowed to create one in game item.
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« Reply #39 on: 19 Nov 2014, 16:47 »

Amazing idea! Only thing that could make this better is if all players were allowed to create one in game item.

I was thinking this as well. Why can't players make and sell their own commodity items? I suppose with the EVE community though, there are bound to be people that make tasteless and insensitive items like 'the Jew claw'.
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Re: An idea to spark an RP resurgence. Looking for support.
« Reply #40 on: 19 Nov 2014, 17:31 »

While the idea has merit, and a macguffin is definitely something to consider, I do have to point something out about that.

Why is one ordinary doll so important that everyone has to get it? Does it belong to someone important? Does it contain something interesting, like a data core? Maybe it is an ancient artifact found at the EVE gate from long forgotten Earth?

I had been conceiving a story where a Gallentian archaeologist working at the EVE gate uncovers some evidence that all four races once originated from one planet. The Amarrian theological council hears about this, and sends out a patrol to have this man killed, his ship destroyed, and all of his artifacts eliminated. The man has an only son, who is six years old. After his ship starts melting in a battle with the Amarrians, the Archaeologist desperately starts stuffing his artifacts into a 'homing drone', a non-weaponized drone similar to a mining drone that can deliver small parcels at sub light speeds.
   

There's no reason they would do that, when the 'originated from one planet' thing has its basis in the Amarr religion and was common belief by the religion itself until only comparatively recently. It's why it's called the Reclaiming, afterall. More likely, the Theology Council would be interested in talking to this guy and getting access to study his relics, because it could validate a key part of Scripture ("In the beginning all were as one."). Remember, this is what they did with the Tetrimonites when they revealed they had claimed to have discovered lost Scripture. The TC didn't assassinate them, they invited the Tetrimonites into Amarr space temporarily so that they could study the passages and determine whether the Tetrimonites's claims were valid.
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« Reply #41 on: 19 Nov 2014, 18:18 »

While the idea has merit, and a macguffin is definitely something to consider, I do have to point something out about that.

Why is one ordinary doll so important that everyone has to get it? Does it belong to someone important? Does it contain something interesting, like a data core? Maybe it is an ancient artifact found at the EVE gate from long forgotten Earth?

I had been conceiving a story where a Gallentian archaeologist working at the EVE gate uncovers some evidence that all four races once originated from one planet. The Amarrian theological council hears about this, and sends out a patrol to have this man killed, his ship destroyed, and all of his artifacts eliminated. The man has an only son, who is six years old. After his ship starts melting in a battle with the Amarrians, the Archaeologist desperately starts stuffing his artifacts into a 'homing drone', a non-weaponized drone similar to a mining drone that can deliver small parcels at sub light speeds.
   

There's no reason they would do that, when the 'originated from one planet' thing has its basis in the Amarr religion and was common belief by the religion itself until only comparatively recently. It's why it's called the Reclaiming, afterall. More likely, the Theology Council would be interested in talking to this guy and getting access to study his relics, because it could validate a key part of Scripture ("In the beginning all were as one."). Remember, this is what they did with the Tetrimonites when they revealed they had claimed to have discovered lost Scripture. The TC didn't assassinate them, they invited the Tetrimonites into Amarr space temporarily so that they could study the passages and determine whether the Tetrimonites's claims were valid.

I'm glad you pointed that out to me. It's something I didn't know. I suppose that's another good reason to make the object a 'MacGuffin'. It's not necessary to explain what it is, or why it is a motivation.

In the story of the Maltese Falcon, we don't even know why the characters want it. We don't know what it is, other than it's some statue of a bird. All we know is that it's valuable enough to make Gangsters want to kill for it. It's the stuff that 'dreams are made of'.

It could be the same with this artifact, which might look like an ancient doll. As you point out, the Amarrians might be willing to pay a lot of money for it, but that doesn't necessarily mean they want to kill the person who has it. There are plenty of people that would though. Theft as well.

So long as the essential elements are kept, I think it would work. A creepy looking doll somehow comes into your possession, or to your attention, and a lot of people are offering a lot of money for it. The Theological Council also seems very interested in it, which would naturally make the Minmatar interested in it as well. Then, somehow the doll falls into someone else's hands.

There was a movie called '$20' that was based on the same idea. It was the life of a $20 bill. It started off being printed, delivered to a bank, and withdrawn by a factory worker. He gave the $20 to a stripper, and she gave it to her boyfriend. Her boyfriend used it to snort cocaine. The bill falls out of his pocket where a homeless man finds it. He spends it at a diner, and so on.
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« Reply #42 on: 19 Nov 2014, 18:25 »

Sounds pretty neat to me. :)

And the Maltese Falcon, that sounds familiar. I think they based an episode of Gargoyles off of it. That story is a good inspiration to use.
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« Reply #43 on: 19 Nov 2014, 18:52 »

Sounds pretty neat to me. :)

And the Maltese Falcon, that sounds familiar. I think they based an episode of Gargoyles off of it. That story is a good inspiration to use.

The Maltese Falcon is one of those films that are so famous, you don't even have to see it to hear references to it. It stars Humphrey Bogart and Peter Lorry. The Vangelis song
'Friends of Mr. Cairo' is about this movie. It's one of the classics of Film Noir, which was an inspiration for the movie 'Blade Runner'. Vangelis also did the sound track for the movie 'Blade Runner'. In turn, Blade Runner became the dark and seedy inspiration for what the world of EVE is supposed to be.

Gloomy, dark and cynical. Urban, morally ambiguous, fatalistic, venal, violent.

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« Reply #44 on: 19 Nov 2014, 21:25 »

Make a mailing list and I will join it and force Pyre to participate.

Here's the mailing list for all: Club Zer0
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