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[orange]

The real problem stems from the original battlecruisers' niche being firmly taken by the T2 Commandships and T3 Command Cruiser setups.  People are not using Battlecruisers as command ships at all.

The tier 1 Battlecruisers could be "early" command ships, whose firepower and speed is comparable to a cruiser.  It should be 'natural' fit for a squadron leader to fly in a cruiser gang.  It would have lower investment than a T2 Commandship or T3 Command Cruiser, but naturally lead into them.

The tier 2 Battlecruisers could have a different role entirely.  Perhaps an anti-cruiser role in battleship fleets; dunno.

They are trying to find them another niche.  MJDing into a ball of Nagas/Typhoons with things lik HAM Drakes will help get HAM Drakes under the Typhoon/Naga guns.  I don't think this is the niche they need.

[V. Gesakaarin]

Some of the problem I see with battlecruisers is that fully fitted they're not significantly less expensive than a fully fitted HAC/Recon that provide a higher degree of flexibility, mobility, and engagement profile.

Then if you compare them to cruisers + logi then the cruisers have the advantage that they can bring similar amounts of damage to the table and the extra ehp of the BC isn't a massive advantage because you're tanking via the logi reps anyway. That and the cruisers only cost about 25-40mil fully fitted.

Their role right now just seems to be either expensive cruiser or the poor man's battleship to me. Which I suppose is working as intended?

[Vincent Pryce]

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4613493#post4613493

Hey everyone. Thanks for the continued feedback.

We're going to remove Attack Battlecruisers from the list of ships that can use this module in the first iteration, since there are some legitimate concerns with how this would interact with ABCs in small gang combat.

Well what in the frak would you use it for then? What other battlecruisers would need it? Nothing else hits out at 100km usefully.

Probably to kill those aforementioned wanksnipers. And Battleshits that jump away. But eh, we will see.

[Desiderya]

The mini-commandship would be a nice idea.
I'd also think, akin to ABCs, the inherent (T1) strengths of the BCs should lean more toward damage and range instead of EHP/tank, akin to the bonuses/focus of destroyers.
So you get your basic ship lines: Frigates, Cruisers, Battleships(, Capital Ships) and the destroyers/BC in the gaps in between.

[Samira Kernher]

Freighters and JFs are now getting 3 lows instead of rig slots.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4605252#post4605252

[Esna Pitoojee]

Reserving final judgement until the numbers are completely run, but I'm rather happier with this decision compared to the rigs concept. You still have to choose your drawback, but it doesn't cost billions of ISK to make that choice. The people most upset with this revision are probably going to be career gankers.

[Ayallah]

WTF, I wish they would stop changing shit long enough to find out how what they are changing will impact the game.

Also, ABC's can't use MMJDS?  What kind of BS is this?!?

[kalaratiri]

Also, ABC's can't use MMJDS?  What kind of BS is this?!?

The kinda BS that removes the total inability of anything to tackle sniping Tornados ever if they have an MJD fit.

[Esna Pitoojee]

Ahahahahahaha, the speculator tears over the freighter change are hilarious.

[Makoto Priano]

Fozzie troll best troll.

[Ayallah]

That is the point! The tornado was meant for the MJD
 T_T

[Ghost Hunter]

Ahahahahahaha, the speculator tears over the freighter change are hilarious.

[V. Gesakaarin]

About the only real BC doctrine I can come up with due to MMJD 100km range is probably only 250mm Ferox with Spike.

If there was an option to calibrate the jump range down to say 50km it might make things like 720mm nano canes/HML nano Drakes viable and probably quite hilarious if the opposing fleets have no scrams.

Other than that it still just seems like a GTFO button.

[Vincent Pryce]

That is the point! The tornado was meant for the MJD
 T_T

I'm just gonna immortalize this in a quote if they ever do allow Tornados to use the mmjd and you inevitably start bitching about how you get instakilled in your wolves at gates without any counter.

[Desiderya]

About the only real BC doctrine I can come up with due to MMJD 100km range is probably only 250mm Ferox with Spike.

If there was an option to calibrate the jump range down to say 50km it might make things like 720mm nano canes/HML nano Drakes viable and probably quite hilarious if the opposing fleets have no scrams.

Other than that it still just seems like a GTFO button.

Or a "DRIVE ME CLOSER, I WANT TO HIT THEM WITH MY SWORD!" button.
But given your canes, you know what makes it 100% more awesome than scripting it to 50k?
Turning around and jumping /through/ them.