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[Streya]

I'm not sure when Istvaan entered the conversation.

that's why he's good at it, lol



but no, the point was, that this comes up every time someone's RP corporation has spies, theft, or other betrayal. "cool kids" get to do whatever, "uncool kids" get pushed out of the community entirely. There's like a dozen or so threads about it on backstage.

Ninja insertion! 

Perhaps there is a double-standard. I think the reason the "cool kids" get away with it is because they simply can't be stopped. Because they're so good at what they do you'll never find any watermarks or clues that it's them messing with you and your corporation. It's easy to golf clap whenever you're not the victim, but even easier to golf clap when nobody even has a clue it's happening in the first place. And like I said, there's a definite difference in attitude between people like Istvaan and people like Orion. Orion's case felt more like he was simply butthurt and wanted to take things and do some harm before he left. What makes that "uncool" IMO is that he wasn't willing to be open about not having fun where he was and simply leave on good terms. It's the difference between a disgruntled employee and government agency spy: the latter has Hollywood appeal while the former hardly makes local newspaper headlines.

Is there a double-standard? Probably, but I can sort of understand where it comes from </rant>

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

Also, everyone knows Istvaan is a corp thief and a spy.  He doesn't USE Istvaan for those purposes, because no one in their right mind would let him into their corp.

I have no problem with Orion OOC, but damned if I'm going to knowingly let him into any corp I've got a say in keeping him out.  Just like I wouldn't let Istvaan in.

[Jocca Quinn]

This may be a little off topic and yes I recognise that this is Eve and that it (corp theft / spying) is part of the game play. But how do you stop yourself becoming totally paranoid about recruits?

A corp of mine suffered a theft a long time ago and I was never able to trust anyone enough after that to give anyone permissions to anything major, which lead to the corps collapse as no-one got to do want they wanted to do.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

Have a decent recruiting process and never let them have access to your main assets.  Have a very, very few number of highly trusted individuals that have access to the things they NEED, but not necessarily everything they WANT.

[Streya]

Pretty much what Tiberious said. We have a separate SMA for the absolute vitals needed for core operations with restricted access. If worst comes to worst we can keep going.

At the end of the day you just have to go out on a limb and trust people, both in EVE and real life. Any functioning group or society works on trust. Unity Gain, and stuff.

[Sofia Roseburn]

This may be a little off topic and yes I recognise that this is Eve and that it (corp theft / spying) is part of the game play. But how do you stop yourself becoming totally paranoid about recruits?

A corp of mine suffered a theft a long time ago and I was never able to trust anyone enough after that to give anyone permissions to anything major, which lead to the corps collapse as no-one got to do want they wanted to do.

A decent recruitment process including background research, a fistful of common sense, and a core of people that you trust (enough).

If you can't get that then you're SOL. The (admittedly awful) comic that CAD did a while back of a gestapo style interview for corporate applications isn't far off. It's just about how well you hide it.

As for Orion, nothing really to say but I told you so.

[Louella Dougans]

Todays patch notes seem relevant.

Also, earlier in the month, I received a reply to a question to the GMs, about a game mechanic, and the reply contained information that I know is factually incorrect.

[Sofia Roseburn]

Todays patch notes seem relevant.

Also, earlier in the month, I received a reply to a question to the GMs, about a game mechanic, and the reply contained information that I know is factually incorrect.

GMs in not knowing game mechanics non-shock. Escalate to a senior GM. You're more likely to get an informed answer.

[Saede Riordan]

Todays patch notes seem relevant.

Also, earlier in the month, I received a reply to a question to the GMs, about a game mechanic, and the reply contained information that I know is factually incorrect.

GMs in not knowing game mechanics non-shock. Escalate to a senior GM. You're more likely to get an informed answer.

This.

Also woo, indirect mention in the patch notes \o/

GMs in not knowing game mechanics non-shock. Escalate to a senior GM. You're more likely to get an informed answer.

[Lyn Farel]

So, where is it written in the patch note ? 

[Saede Riordan]

 Patch notes for EVE Online: Rubicon 1.1.8
Released on Wednesday, February 12th 2014
FIXES

Sleepers

    Sleeper craft have received much needed sensor upgrades and can now detect and process threats across great distances. They’re watching you. Always.
    Sleeper reinforcement protocols have been improved to reduce unsightly clustering.

[Esna Pitoojee]

Reddit was so confused about this, it was kind of funny. A whole bunch of people asking if this meant sleepers were going to start hotdropping POSes out of the blue (alas, no, as it would be awesome).

[Elmund Egivand]

Reddit was so confused about this, it was kind of funny. A whole bunch of people asking if this meant sleepers were going to start hotdropping POSes out of the blue (alas, no, as it would be awesome).

Effectively turning wormholes into the best RP spots ever.

[Mebrithiel]

Oh my, well this was interesting and possibly some of the best rp drama for a while ^_^

♥ Sae