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Aelisha Montenagre

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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #30 on: 27 Sep 2013, 07:16 »

That's only half of the issue, Karm.  The idea is that EVE is a game where history matters.  The ship existed.  It got blown up.  Leave it that way.

The other half of the issue is the more important one.  Blink is a group of players.  CCP is essentially handing them Trillions of ISK and expecting everyone to be okay with that.

This.  CCP first gives Somer a bag of isk that is represented by the Gold Magnate. 

Receiving feedback, which as they do not live on our plane of existence they do not understand, they respond by saying 'The problem surely must be the fact that the bag of isk is coloured gold, if we put it in a different coloured bag, everything will be fine.'. 

They just do not seem to understand that it isn't about a club that isn't OURS getting the ISK - but the fact that ANY club is getting isk at all.  If they lotto it - make it a lottery event with PLEX as tickets or something.  Do some good, but most of all, do not favour a money making website, even if they only make spacebux. 

A CCP plex or AUR lotto paying out to get well gamers or any charity you wish to mention, would be a PR coup with real impact on the world (ethical and practical complaints about charitties not withstanding).  Handing a trillion space bux in a different looking shell item to any member of the player base, is essentially sanctioned favouritism, and thus unacceptable.
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Aelisha Montenagre

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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #31 on: 27 Sep 2013, 07:21 »

Is that how the whole eve community thinks as well of that situation ? Or just us ?

Addressing your reply specifically, I do not speak for any community - I am just saying what it looks like to me.  The evidence of how the community is reacting is verifiable by reading any GD discussion with dev replies that aren't locks - it is not pretty. 

As mentioned in previous posts, I am pretty opposed to the 'community' lie with regards to EVE - this is just people responding with shared outrage because CCP once again fails to uphold it's own self-stated values.
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #32 on: 27 Sep 2013, 08:08 »

While an in-game lotto would be preferable. CCP is free to reward fan sites that they feel help market their game. I know RPers who have been given free PLEX for their blogs. Trusting Somer with cool prizes to give away is hardly that different, especially since Somer is sponsoring a large EVE event.

Some of those rare items were given out for fairly arbitrary reasons in the past. I think the Opux yacht was given to two players that got married. As someone married to an EVE player I think this is horribly unfair and I want my free stuff! Rabble!
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« Reply #33 on: 27 Sep 2013, 08:32 »

While an in-game lotto would be preferable. CCP is free to reward fan sites that they feel help market their game. I know RPers who have been given free PLEX for their blogs. Trusting Somer with cool prizes to give away is hardly that different, especially since Somer is sponsoring a large EVE event.

Some of those rare items were given out for fairly arbitrary reasons in the past. I think the Opux yacht was given to two players that got married. As someone married to an EVE player I think this is horribly unfair and I want my free stuff! Rabble!

Then why are they suddenly outraged when a specific group of RPers get rewarded by having event actors coming in their channels or ICly responding to them ?
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #34 on: 27 Sep 2013, 08:46 »

While an in-game lotto would be preferable. CCP is free to reward fan sites that they feel help market their game. I know RPers who have been given free PLEX for their blogs. Trusting Somer with cool prizes to give away is hardly that different, especially since Somer is sponsoring a large EVE event.

Some of those rare items were given out for fairly arbitrary reasons in the past. I think the Opux yacht was given to two players that got married. As someone married to an EVE player I think this is horribly unfair and I want my free stuff! Rabble!

Then why are they suddenly outraged when a specific group of RPers get rewarded by having event actors coming in their channels or ICly responding to them ?

exactly my issue. 

In addition, Game rewards should be linked to in-game actions or even *cringe* micro-transaction or purchases from CCP
I also have also long thought that these 3rd party sites lotto sites are scams - how does one know which is legit and which is not?  Does CCP really want to link up so close to them they could be responsible for any legal issues associated with them?

Edit - this last point is apparently being made by quite a few on the eve forums. Quite a bleepstorm over this.
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #35 on: 27 Sep 2013, 09:02 »

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Forge a reputation that matters in EVE's single-server environment

Player forges reputation as being the one that shot Pilot X who was flying the Ship Y.

CCP says "nope, respawn!"


Players shouldn't be in the position of having to remind CCP about one of the central aspects of the single-server environment, and how that makes actions of players important.
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #36 on: 27 Sep 2013, 12:48 »


exactly my issue. 

In addition, Game rewards should be linked to in-game actions or even *cringe* micro-transaction or purchases from CCP
I also have also long thought that these 3rd party sites lotto sites are scams - how does one know which is legit and which is not?  Does CCP really want to link up so close to them they could be responsible for any legal issues associated with them?

Edit - this last point is apparently being made by quite a few on the eve forums. Quite a bleepstorm over this.

I've also wandered about the nature of the lotto/betting/poker sites tied to EVE; I took a look at one during the Alliance Tournament and on one hand, it looked safe, but as a person who deals with aspects of cyber-security where I work, I'm always leery of financial offerings on the web.

To the issue about the ship and etc...On one hand, I'd like to say I find it neat that CCP is working with a player-run group and event. Yet, on the other hand, it kind of sends mixed messages with their current stance of player-run events and CCP actors being involved. Just my personal observation. I think a company that is willing to reward players for doing stuff to either enhance the gaming experience of a large population of the player base or to enhance the appeal and attract new players is pretty cool.  I don't think a lotto or poker site is really enhancing the game itself and from someone looking at getting into EVE, having these sites associated with the game could turn some people off of it (that said, there really isn't much a company can do to prevent gold/isk/[insert unique currency here] sites from popping up promising vast riches so long as you provide said site with access to your account).

Again, I don't know CCP that well (I've only played four months, and have mostly just stuck to this forum and the IGS forum) so I don't know what their situation is like at their end.  However, just from what has happened the last couple of weeks, it strikes me that there have been some major shortfalls in player-company relations/interactions. I've already said elsewhere that CCP ought to have had and maintained RP channels of their own to give all players access to actors and devs. Looking at this lotto thing, it strikes me that CCP could have saved some grief by running their own in game lottery/betting style channel and interface, especially with some of the concerns about whether or not using the API is a breach of the ToS/EULA.

One of the things that I did like about Blizzard and WoW was that over the years, Blizzard started to incorporate some of the third-party mods into the game itself, thus cutting down on the number of plug-ins and possible hacks people were running. I'm not saying that Blizzard is the best example, but they have dominated the MMO market for a while now and it doesn't hurt to look at the big dog and learn from both their successes and failures.

As to the Gold Magnate and other unique or uber-ultra-unique ships that have come into the game...those should be left as ultra rare. I mean, they re-skinned the Magnate for the 10th anniversery and called it something else (can't remember now, but Steff has one sitting in one of her hangars) so I can't see why they can't do something like that. Leave the Gold Magnate alone and give it a new look and a different name.
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #37 on: 27 Sep 2013, 14:31 »

Good news, just talked to Entity.  Seems the Gold Mandates will not be given out, it'll just be a re-skinned SOE cruiser.

Seems Entity (and people of influence) went to town on CCP.
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« Reply #38 on: 27 Sep 2013, 15:40 »

This has been known for a while.  Its a reskinned (and restatted) cruiser, along with the option to get an all expenses paid trip to the next Fanfest.

So you know, not really solving the second of the two issues.
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #39 on: 03 Oct 2013, 15:45 »

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Forge a reputation that matters in EVE's single-server environment

Player forges reputation as being the one that shot Pilot X who was flying the Ship Y.

CCP says "nope, respawn!"


Players shouldn't be in the position of having to remind CCP about one of the central aspects of the single-server environment, and how that makes actions of players important.

It's THE thing that sets Eve apart from the rest: single server, shit matters. Eve has a genuine history that simply could not exist in any other MMO. The Internet is awash with fond stories of Eve from players past and present, and for good reason. Every other MMO I have played makes a big play of telling you how important you are: a conceit that is undermined by just about every single aspect of game design. Messing with that distinction is a pretty dangerous move.

Want to dish out some unique ship as a prize? Fine. But you damn well better make a new, unique ship.
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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #40 on: 05 Oct 2013, 06:00 »

24 hours old now and the source is TMC so get out your salt lick and all of that.

http://themittani.com/news/ccp-secretly-gifted-somer-blink-ishukone-scorpions
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« Reply #41 on: 05 Oct 2013, 06:20 »

To stem it a bit (albeit I'm not really fond of it) CCP did announce in advance (now about a year or more I believe?) that they would release Ishkuone Scorpions slowly over the year(s) in various events as prizes, both ingame & outgame. So it's not really a new thing.

After what I said, my own note. Quite some Caldari RP'ers helped escorting the freighters to Caldari prime who carried a few of these. This included indvidiuals, Corps & Alliance Caldari RP'ers. It does irk me that random folks who have nothing to do with these events get a neat RP skinned ship that was tied to this event, while the participating RP folks didn't got something.

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Re: Gold Magnates
« Reply #42 on: 05 Oct 2013, 07:19 »

Well, it just gets better and better, doesn't it ?

"No special ships for live events, live events should be their own rewards, we don't want to upset any collectors, it would devalue things"
"here, let's give uncommon ships to our buddies, but ssssh, must be quiet about it"

Meh.

Edit: Assuming that's for real, and not just more stirring by whoever, to get people annoyed, or to end up with no new limited issue ships for anyone.
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« Reply #43 on: 05 Oct 2013, 23:22 »

This is really sickening to me.

While its important to note that in terms of timeline, the Ishukone Watch Scorpions came before the Golden Magnate, its also infinitely more scummy.  It confirms that someone at CCP (probably CCP Navigator) has some sort of favoritism for Blink, since as far as I am aware so far Blink is the only community site that has been offered or given the ships.  Chribba hasn't.  EOH hasn't.  I'm pretty sure the operators of Backstage haven't.  If these are, in fact, supposed to be rewards given out to people who are important to the community, surely there are more deserving recipients than a gambling website.
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« Reply #44 on: 05 Oct 2013, 23:30 »

This is really sickening to me.

While its important to note that in terms of timeline, the Ishukone Watch Scorpions came before the Golden Magnate, its also infinitely more scummy.  It confirms that someone at CCP (probably CCP Navigator) has some sort of favoritism for Blink, since as far as I am aware so far Blink is the only community site that has been offered or given the ships.  Chribba hasn't.  EOH hasn't.  I'm pretty sure the operators of Backstage haven't.  If these are, in fact, supposed to be rewards given out to people who are important to the community, surely there are more deserving recipients than a gambling website.

We haven't, for the record (to my knowledge, anyway). Unless, that is, Silver was the one who got them and just never handed them out. :P

And I don't disagree in the slightest. After the shit they gave us about user-moderated channels (which, by the way, is a rule not universally enforced across all channels, apparently), you'd think that this would be an obvious no-no.
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