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[Morwen Lagann]

Bastion mode as it stands right now seems fine to me, having spent several hours testing it -outside- of PVE scenarios (yes, that means PVP) in the last few weeks. Have you even tried it on Sisi yet, Silas, or are you just going on hearsay?

It's pretty clear they're going to be absolutely terrible against large numbers of high-powered opponents. But against smaller gangs, or less powerful battleships, they will shine in small groups.

[Silas Vitalia]

All Hearsay All the Times

Had a good conversation in alliance yesterday we think these actually do have a super useful purpose:

High Sec POS Bashing.

Think of all those large towers in highsec that are virtually indestrutable full of hardners and jammers and guns.

Bastion fleet, immune to ewar, super tank for the POS guns. 

Say goodbye to your previously cushy research towers.

[Victoria Stecker]

All Hearsay All the Times

Had a good conversation in alliance yesterday we think these actually do have a super useful purpose:

High Sec POS Bashing.

Think of all those large towers in highsec that are virtually indestrutable full of hardners and jammers and guns.

Bastion fleet, immune to ewar, super tank for the POS guns. 

Say goodbye to your previously cushy research towers.

I'm pretty sure the biggest pos guns could alpha these things. I'll bet they come in handy for swatting POCO's when that becomes an option, though.

[Caellach Marellus]

The high resistances actually makes these ideal for swatting unmanned towers. If you've focused POS gunners though they'll probably break.

Then throw on the damage application bonuses and they'll be able to hit the tower through a large shield using high damage short range weaponry. They will make dickstar grinding less hell.

[Morwen Lagann]

Eeeeyup. And handy for getting rid of the annoying abandoned, offline POS that are all over the place. I've already got a few marked out I'd like to clean up. Just need to do some research on their owners first, then... waiting...

(@Silas) I really, really highly suggest you get onto Sisi and play with it a bit yourself. Like I said above, it's going to be decent at engaging and tanking -small- gangs (10 or below), but these by no means are going to be replacing battleship fleets (or faction battleship fleets) anytime soon. I will say that I think they may be a little over the top for PVE based on the numbers alone, but I also haven't had the opportunity to play around with them in missions on Sisi yet - and Cael's knowledgeable enough about PVE stuff that I'm usually good taking his word on this kind of thing at face value.

[Silas Vitalia]

Bastion might be a nice GTFO timer for deagression.  Your side losing? Activate bastion, tank damage while deagressing. Jump and MJD.

[Morwen Lagann]

You get a weapons timer for activating the Bastion module, so no.

You have to wait 60 seconds after it deactivates to jump through a gate or dock in a station.

[Silas Vitalia]

You get a weapons timer for activating the Bastion module, so no.

You have to wait 60 seconds after it deactivates to jump through a gate or dock in a station.

dat's awful.

[Caellach Marellus]

Yeah the 60 second weapons timer is one of the more universally disliked features of this.

So's the fact if you disconnect while missioning in one of these, when the client realises you've DC'd it'll turn off all modules and then fail to e-warp.

And will not attempt another e-warp when Bastion mode disengages. Hope you don't have a lot of rat aggro on you!

[Lyn Farel]

The high resistances actually makes these ideal for swatting unmanned towers. If you've focused POS gunners though they'll probably break.

Then throw on the damage application bonuses and they'll be able to hit the tower through a large shield using high damage short range weaponry. They will make dickstar grinding less hell.

Considering the sheer amount of alpha power of large turrets (anti capitals), I am not sure...

[Morwen Lagann]

No, that's good. It means it ISN'T a "GTFO" button.

And anyone attempting to engage a Marauder should be packing a scram or two in their gang anyway - that's the only way to stop the MJD. That or neuts.

The issues with disconnecting and e-warps are separate. I like the weapons timer. Really like it. Because it means that they either have to survive 60 seconds after it deactivates (which, to be fair, could just be a really long warp, with the changes to warp speed/acceleration), or die a slow death eventually. I don't like that it flails about and shuts off modules when you disconnect and doesn't bother trying to warp out when the module shuts off.

[Graelyn]

I can't fucking wait to fly one into battle, and kill some stuff. I'll probably die, but what fun!

[Caellach Marellus]

SiSi got updated to the latest version of Rubicon tonight, now with Paladin Bastion animations!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdtzVnpXgqI

[Seriphyn]

Except it's gonna take 5 days to train High Energy Physics to 4...didn't know this, so :urgh:

[Caellach Marellus]

Except it's gonna take 5 days to train High Energy Physics to 4...didn't know this, so :urgh:

5? I've got a perc/will setup and it only takes me 3.