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[Natalcya Katla]

All playing the "implants made me do it" card achieves is to demonstrate an unwillingness to take responsibility for one's own RP. That's not a good way to avoid derision. Personally I'd much rather own the crow. It goes a lot easier down the throat, that way.

[Streya]

All playing the "implants made me do it" card achieves is to demonstrate an unwillingness to take responsibility for one's own RP. That's not a good way to avoid derision. Personally I'd much rather own the crow. It goes a lot easier down the throat, that way.

I'm perfectly fine with having my character admit she was wrong/naive, I'm just worried about the relatively long collective memory the RP community has. I'm sure someone's bookmarked everything posted in that thread for later use (and potential blackmail!), and I just worry that I won't be able to get my character back "on track", so to speak.

[Silver Night]

Silver was a (willing, enthusiastic) spokesman for Naqam, a Sansha corp. I haven't seen an excess of negative consequences from that in the years since, and what I have seen has been interesting RP. Were I you, I would roll with 'I did my job and my duty for my corp'. If people try to use it against you, depending on how they are using it, either engage for RP or just dismiss them. At the end of the day, ignoring people is a powerful communication tool. Either that, or own up, 'Mistakes were made'. It might seem like eating crow, but it is actually a firm of rhetorical judo in which you turn your opponent's line of attack against them, while making yourself look both reasonable and unfairly attacked - at least when done right.

[Natalcya Katla]

I'm perfectly fine with having my character admit she was wrong/naive, I'm just worried about the relatively long collective memory the RP community has. I'm sure someone's bookmarked everything posted in that thread for later use (and potential blackmail!), and I just worry that I won't be able to get my character back "on track", so to speak.

The thing is, once your character does admit she was wrong/naive about something, there's not really a whole lot of leverage people can gain from it, not unless such miscalculations become a repeat occurrence, anyway. A few people may go on harping on about it forever, but they won't really be doing themselves any favors by doing so. And are those really the people whose respect you care about, anyway?

[Saede Riordan]

The thing is, once your character does admit she was wrong/naive about something, there's not really a whole lot of leverage people can gain from it, not unless such miscalculations become a repeat occurrence, anyway. A few people may go on harping on about it forever, but they won't really be doing themselves any favors by doing so. And are those really the people whose respect you care about, anyway?

Without pointing any fingers or referencing any specific circumstances, it has often seemed to me, that the people that cling and harp on about some past fault of a character, are generally cases of OOC grudges bleeding IC. It has often appeared that grudges held ICly don't last nearly as long as those that exist between players. If you don't like someone as a player, it makes a much more compelling reason to try to attack their characters and poke holes in their ideology then simple disagreement.

[Morwen Lagann]

Your character makes a reputation for themselves through several means.
- Their own actions. Do or say something people don't like or find objectionable? You're damn right it's going to stick with you for a while.
- People they associate with, which includes corpmates. Hang around people with bad reputations, and you'll get a rep for doing just that - and subsequently for clearly not objecting to their reputation/actions to the point where you would not hang out with them.
- Their corporation history. Join a corporation, and you pick up its baggage. Your corporation will have its own reputation based on the collective actions of its members. What they do, will affect your own reputation, for better or for worse.
- Their allies and enemies. Who you fly with or against will reflect on you and your corporation.

In this case, Streya is in a corporation that has had, well, not the most stellar history IC. Its CEO has done some pretty weird things that people didn't like, and it can say something about people who will willingly associate with someone who's done things like what Saede's done. You're blued with TS-F (or were, at one point) and come across as, in many ways, "Nation Lite™".

Now you're espousing Star Fraction-esque philosophy, rhetoric and methods on the IGS. And attacking another corporation on grounds that appear diametrically opposite to previous stances given by your corporation. A corporation with a pretty solid reputation of its own that is well-known for being primarily made up of frigate specialists, and not very good targets for your chosen type of warfare.

You've made your bed IC, and now unfortunately Streya needs to sleep in it.

All of these are perfectly valid reasons for people to leap down your throat on the IGS, whether they're friends of Pyre Falcon or not.  Some will do it because Star Fraction is a heavily polarizing group and subject even years down the line (and people emulating them WILL evoke reactions from people as a result). Some will do it because you're Nation Lite™. Some will do it because you're attacking friends. Some will do it because you're making yourselves look incompetent in various ways. And some will do it because it's a damned trainwreck waiting to happen, and human nature is to watch and gibber about potential disasters-in-progress with awe and fascination. Sure, there might be some 'circle-jerk' to it, but I think there's a lot less of it in this particular case than some are suggesting there is.

[Streya]

Perhaps, Morwen. I've always tended to judge characters primarily on their own merits rather than the groups they hang out with or their corporation. People will and do associate with other players for purely OOC reasons. In this case, I live with Saede IRL and it would simply be awkward not to be in the same corporation IMO.

My hope is that Streya can be good enough as a character to counteract bad PR stunts like vivisections. I am attempting to be as low-derp as possible. Failing that, I can simply choose to significantly reduce my character's presence in the roleplay community and not much care for the IC scene. Yes, a bed has been made, but it is an entirely fictional one that shouldn't reflect on me as a player. Certainly, you can call the dec fail from a gameplay perspective but honestly it's given me a great and rare opportunity to experiment with ship fits and learn tactics, which I'll take as a success any day.

[Streya]

After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit of roleplay I feel a bit more confident. I feel like if I play my cards right I can mature my character into a somewhat serious member of the roleplay scene. I just want to be able to roleplay well enough to have meaningful and interesting interactions with other characters that don't result in other players shaking their heads in bewilderment.

I still want to start a character blog though! Are there any solid guidelines on doing that?

[Makkal]

You seem level-headed and mature. I'm glad you're sticking around.

I started a thread about blogging not too long ago.

[Saede Riordan]

After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit of roleplay I feel a bit more confident. I feel like if I play my cards right I can mature my character into a somewhat serious member of the roleplay scene. I just want to be able to roleplay well enough to have meaningful and interesting interactions with other characters that don't result in other players shaking their heads in bewilderment.

I still want to start a character blog though! Are there any solid guidelines on doing that?

Constantly update. People are far more likely to pay attention to your blog if it regularly provides content. If you update very infrequently, people are unlikely to think to go check it.

[Pieter Tuulinen]

After considering everyone's advice and doing a bit of roleplay I feel a bit more confident. I feel like if I play my cards right I can mature my character into a somewhat serious member of the roleplay scene. I just want to be able to roleplay well enough to have meaningful and interesting interactions with other characters that don't result in other players shaking their heads in bewilderment.

OOC I would certainly embrace further opportunities to RP with Streya. As I recall we have a fairly good relationship IC in a slightly distant, jokey, sort of way.

Given the way the War Dec has resolved, causing little materiel loss or operational disruption to either side, it's unlikely to affect things THAT much, although I look forward  to interesting chats with Streya and Saede off the back of it.

[Streya]

OOC I would certainly embrace further opportunities to RP with Streya. As I recall we have a fairly good relationship IC in a slightly distant, jokey, sort of way.

Given the way the War Dec has resolved, causing little materiel loss or operational disruption to either side, it's unlikely to affect things THAT much, although I look forward  to interesting chats with Streya and Saede off the back of it.

Yeah, Streya admired Pieter's calm and stoic manner when he spoke on The Summit and IGS, but never really got to know him much (directly at least).

As for the wardec, I wouldn't quite call it "resolved" just yet. While everyone knows how the dec will turn out, I am very curious about how a particular set of ships will perform against Condors...  We should have at least one good squad-on-squad fight before ending the thing! If you could please give us a heads-up for when you'll be able to play EVE more actively again for, I'm sure we can have some fun RP.

[Pieter Tuulinen]

Lemme see... I'll be back in a limited sense from Thursday the 13th of this month. I'll be back fulltime from the end of that week. I look forward to fun and games - losing Condors isn't really a heartbreaker after all.

[Esna Pitoojee]

Poking my head in here to say that while Esna will enthusiastically call out Saede and ALXVP IC, it is because he simply does not like Saede and sees no reason not to step up and say something - same reason he'll periodically appear out of the woodwork to call out other opponents (Cartel, Sansha, hardline Matari, etc).

In some cases people have earned Esna's forgiveness for their past acts. Silver is a prime example of this; there are also several Matari who he is on far better terms now with. However, a key component of this is willingness to show remorse for past actions. All Esna's seen out of ALXVP is a continued chain of "problem actions" coupled with a "well it wasn't me, it was X" mentality with regard to past screwups.

[Streya]

Poking my head in here to say that while Esna will enthusiastically call out Saede and ALXVP IC, it is because he simply does not like Saede and sees no reason not to step up and say something - same reason he'll periodically appear out of the woodwork to call out other opponents (Cartel, Sansha, hardline Matari, etc).

In some cases people have earned Esna's forgiveness for their past acts. Silver is a prime example of this; there are also several Matari who he is on far better terms now with. However, a key component of this is willingness to show remorse for past actions. All Esna's seen out of ALXVP is a continued chain of "problem actions" coupled with a "well it wasn't me, it was X" mentality with regard to past screwups.

Of course, I can understand why Esna (or any other character) would want to step up and call any one of us out. I'm just trying to fine-tune and better define my own character so that when other characters do call her out she can respond reasonably and realistically. Of course if one wants to play a reasonable character they should only do reasonable things, which is why I made this thread; in-character actions were taken by my character that felt rather out-of-character for her. How do I reconcile my OOC desire to have fun PvPing and exploring dangerous areas  of space, with my character's anti-war beliefs?