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[hellgremlin]

ARSE COCK BOLLOCKS, I keep hitting quote when I mean to hit modify. Dblpost, disregard.

[Creep]

When these stories were written, there was no game yet, or it was in its earliest, most rudimentary form. That's why none of the place names in my old stories correspond to places on TQ today - the alpha/beta was done in a small constellation that no longer exists. I miss Enelaise.

All we had to go on, was a small number of chronicles (called Peek of the Week back then), short stories, and other elements of setting that got us all addicted to the game that would be Eve. We developed our own stories from these.

It's funny, but now that I think about it, the whole thing with the Amarr Empire and Caldari State being buddies pretty much started with us... Endless Corporation and Sabaoth Inc, that is. When we announced our alliance, the Eve community of the day went through a mild uproar, because it was completely unthinkable for the hard-working Caldari to ally with the slave-driving Amarr.

* Creep sits down cross-legged with his chin in the palms of his hands.

Storytime! Tell us more about the old days, Grandad! What was Enelaise like?

[hellgremlin]

Well, for one thing, Eve felt a lot more... epic. I'm sure this is just memory being coloured by fondness, but I remember frigates feeling like a jumbo jet, not a gnat. No microwarpdrives back in those earliest days, so everything moved ponderously and all space-like, with mass to it. There was also a tremendous heavy bass effect to some weapons like missiles and artillery, that rattled your whole desk if your subwoofer was turned up. Everything felt enormous, like it was happening in a giant echo chamber, not crisp and fast as it is today, but dulled by the void, molassy and dream-like. Ships didn't turn on a dime, but in ponderous arcs. Hard to describe. I'm probably imagining how it felt as a first impression.

edit: Fortunately, there's an early CCP video I just recalled that captures these elements exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo&list=PL2F3AAA33E78369DA

Tell me you didn't get chills

[Graelyn]

I liked Sabaoth (sort-of...Grae would have tried to destroy them, probably unsuccessfully).

I wish these old corps could resurface sometime.

[Creep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo&list=PL2F3AAA33E78369DA

Tell me you didn't get chills

Those missile wsssh-whumps.

Also, that sebbie at the end just made me long for the days when we could make our characters look like this:

[Ciarente]

Uh, ok... I must be dumb because I did not understand the slightest thing... : |

Yeah, I recall Eva telling us a whole bunch of 'crazy guesswork' complete with footnotes to the ICly available info it was drawn from, that a year or so later turned up in CCP PF.

It's all there, people. You just need to dredge for it.

Where ?

In the chrons and news stories and events and so on.

[hellgremlin]

I liked Sabaoth (sort-of...Grae would have tried to destroy them, probably unsuccessfully).

I wish these old corps could resurface sometime.

Elements of those old corps do resurface. In the story series that ended up predicting Doriam's assassination and Jamyl's return, I retrieved one character from cold storage, quite literally. This character originated in those beta-era stories, and the series revisited some old haunts as well. One long chain of continuity.

I have been the same character since the very beginningest beginning. Starts as a lowly charter/escort pilot. Gets possessed by cosmic horror. Forcibly takes over minor Caldari corporation, turns it into evil megacorp. Cosmic horror fucks off, leaving newly minted pilot a CEO and cursed with probability-defying success. Pilot starts doing fuckloads of drugs, realizing everything he's been taught is a lie, and what else can you do at that point but say fuck you to reality, pretty much accidentally becoming a godfather of crime by virtue of the connections made while under the cosmic horror's influence. Character retrieved from cold storage who was formerly a corporate enforcer goon, is now a criminal enforcer goon in main character's criminal organization. Links in a chain. Everything, connected. My character even keeps a few canisters of... well, let's just leave that for the future. In case I decide to start writing again. Gluehuehuehue.

[hellgremlin]

Whatever its needs were, they were met.

Or failed.

I wanted to address this specifically. It doesn't fail. It evolved beyond that long ago.

In the end, we aren't meant to win. We're the other guys in a Xanatos gambit where the issuer literally has foreseen all possible consequences and eventualities, and it's all according to plan *twiddle fingers*. Eve is a tale of apocalypse. Fallen empires. In the end, a pre-singularity civilization encountering one whose singularity already came and went, giving ample time for said civilization to get comfy with actual godhood. The Greeks, as it turns out, were right - Gods are dicks. The Jovians tried to lead by example, showing us what becomes of humanity when they strive toward godhood. They gave us the capsule to show us how immortality turns us murderous. We are on the side of the gate that clung to humanity, with Jovians its careful, ever-present gardeners. When that bitch cracks open, we're going to find out just how severe a mistake staying meat was. You just watch. Youuuuu just watch. DOOM! Doom comes for you all!

Oh, and before anyone else starts thinking this is a secret leak of CCP canon, please pay attention to my forum title, 'cause I'm pulling this out of my ass.

[GoGo Yubari]

Well, for one thing, Eve felt a lot more... epic. I'm sure this is just memory being coloured by fondness, but I remember frigates feeling like a jumbo jet, not a gnat. No microwarpdrives back in those earliest days, so everything moved ponderously and all space-like, with mass to it. There was also a tremendous heavy bass effect to some weapons like missiles and artillery, that rattled your whole desk if your subwoofer was turned up. Everything felt enormous, like it was happening in a giant echo chamber, not crisp and fast as it is today, but dulled by the void, molassy and dream-like. Ships didn't turn on a dime, but in ponderous arcs. Hard to describe. I'm probably imagining how it felt as a first impression.

edit: Fortunately, there's an early CCP video I just recalled that captures these elements exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo&list=PL2F3AAA33E78369DA

Tell me you didn't get chills

This is so true and speaks about a large part of what really lured me into Eve in the early day. It is a shame some of that has been lost. The feeling was certainly quite Homeworldy, too. I did like some of your stories because your writing style reflected the Eve-style rather well.

Whether you predicted or influenced the Eve storyline, I'm not sure, but I did enjoy that's what happened when Jamyl popped back up. Probably predicted though because the clue was certainly there. Nor am I sure a bible existed outside the head of particular developers until a later point or if it was indeed very detailed in regards to the overall plot.

[hellgremlin]

"Predicted" is adequate. Only my character is egomaniacal enough to immediately claim credit for "influence" - I'm not :p

[GoGo Yubari]

I don't see it as necessitating egomania, really. They're just people at CCP and not immune to taking in influences. A lot of their employers come from among the players anyway and they most certainly have been influenced by other players, bringing in the things they've liked and possibly weaving them into the storyline. CCP also does like to take pride (at least publicly) in the fact that Eve is a sort of co-creation with the players and I do think it sometimes extends to setting detail.

Whether that instance was prediction or influence (and I'm leaning a little on prediction myself all things considered), it's safe to say plenty of folks in the RP (and non-RP) community have influenced how Eve is today, you most certainly included if not by anything else then at least by GHSC becoming a sort of mythic exemplar of one kind of activity and tone which permeates the game. And CCP folks, by accepting that as an influence, become more susceptible to accepting other influence from you.

But surely the master manipulator already knows this! How meta would that be anyway? GHSC taking over CCP. Then you could certainly validate the voice forever.

[Lyn Farel]

Well, for one thing, Eve felt a lot more... epic. I'm sure this is just memory being coloured by fondness, but I remember frigates feeling like a jumbo jet, not a gnat. No microwarpdrives back in those earliest days, so everything moved ponderously and all space-like, with mass to it. There was also a tremendous heavy bass effect to some weapons like missiles and artillery, that rattled your whole desk if your subwoofer was turned up. Everything felt enormous, like it was happening in a giant echo chamber, not crisp and fast as it is today, but dulled by the void, molassy and dream-like. Ships didn't turn on a dime, but in ponderous arcs. Hard to describe. I'm probably imagining how it felt as a first impression.

edit: Fortunately, there's an early CCP video I just recalled that captures these elements exactly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo&list=PL2F3AAA33E78369DA

Tell me you didn't get chills

Yeah, old days had a more "homeworld" atmosphere without the persian influences - I am pretty sure that Homeworld was actually one of their main inspirations.

I also remember that ships always faced the direction of their speed vector in the past yeah, making them more akin to jets rather than actual spaceships: now they behave more like they do in homeworld, paradoxically, facing the direction they want to go, before actually starting to go that way...

Uh, ok... I must be dumb because I did not understand the slightest thing... : |

Yeah, I recall Eva telling us a whole bunch of 'crazy guesswork' complete with footnotes to the ICly available info it was drawn from, that a year or so later turned up in CCP PF.

It's all there, people. You just need to dredge for it.

Where ?

In the chrons and news stories and events and so on.

Not convinced... Still sounds very godmoddy to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryJZnXfvKNo&list=PL2F3AAA33E78369DA

Tell me you didn't get chills

Those missile wsssh-whumps.

Also, that sebbie at the end just made me long for the days when we could make our characters look like this:

Where does that come from Creep ? Seems to ring a very old bell...

[hellgremlin]

The Cell. That's Jennifer Lopez.

[Makkal]

I hated that movie.

Visually splendid though.

[Lyn Farel]

That's what I heard as well.