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[Chell Charon]

Republic and State leadership finding their home front support dwindling decide to use a gamechanger and sign a mutual alliance. Affording State corporations new markets and brand new workers, while the Republic gets new investments etc...

Ofcourse anybody with half a functioning brain should realize neither Amarr Empire or Gallante Federation is going to let such an affront slide from their (former) allies.

Counting on the fact that Federation and Amarr lack the realpolitik skills to ally in this new environment? Mistake. Both nations call for immidiate repayment of all debts owed while signing a mutual defence pact.

For the record, in this current situation any Amarrian effort to take over the State that doesn't happen just by buying stock is a sign stupidity. Say, isn't Kaalakiota in need of some extra cash? Most Royal Houses alone should have deep enough pockets to buy some recognizable portion of influence.

[Gaven Lok ri]

My two cents:

Amarr Caldari relations cooling=perfectly fine with me.

This idea about reclaiming Caldari... Just silly. Have you all looked at a map? Amarr/Caldari don't even have a border!

I would like to think that sort of basic political reality matters.

[Davlos]

My two cents:

Amarr Caldari relations cooling=perfectly fine with me.

This idea about reclaiming Caldari... Just silly. Have you all looked at a map? Amarr/Caldari don't even have a border!

I would like to think that sort of basic political reality matters.

This is why sometimes I think I should be an Amarr RPer.

"The Scriptures are my map, and the Lord demands us to Reclaim them all!"

[Gaven Lok ri]

And while i could see Gonzales pulling that sort of silliness, i would hope the current team is above it.

The Amarr have an entire border with the Gallente if they want to shake things up.

[Davlos]

And while i could see Gonzales pulling that sort of silliness, i would hope the current team is above it.

The Amarr have an entire border with the Gallente if they want to shake things up.

My sentiments exactly. Amarr RPers can be too moderate in their religious fervor sometimes... even those who are really devout? Where are the terrorist types who behave and talk like Space Marines?

[Gaven Lok ri]

And while i could see Gonzales pulling that sort of silliness, i would hope the current team is above it.

The Amarr have an entire border with the Gallente if they want to shake things up.

My sentiments exactly. Amarr RPers can be too moderate in their religious fervor sometimes... even those who are really devout? Where are the terrorist types who behave and talk like Space Marines?

They are around. Back before FW, PIE fairly often would get into tiffs of one sort or another with groups that were more hardline militant than Doriam and Heideran were. Now that the crusade is declared, most of that is channeled into FW.
 
But seriously, the ridiculously aggressive attitude of the Space Marine Caricature works best when your empire is actually winning. When your empire is losing, a somewhat more reserved "we will get you in the end and you will all die horribly" is a bit more believable for an empire loyalist. We could maybe use a few more fanatic "we aren't really losing, because it is impossible for Amarr to lose" types, but I don't really see terrorist as the way that sort of Amarrian thinking goes.

If CCP plays its story cards right it has a real shot at bringing a lot of the tensions that hide under Amarr loyalist surfaces out with this whole continued reclaiming thing.

I also wouldn't be too surprised if the Amarr loyalist dusties start pushing the Space Marine direction.

[Desiderya]

We are not losing, we're merely advancing in a different direction, man.

edit:
Playing the hardline angle when you're winning is easy. Playing the moderate when you're losing is, too. vOv

[Anja Suorsa]

My two cents:

Amarr Caldari relations cooling=perfectly fine with me.

This idea about reclaiming Caldari... Just silly. Have you all looked at a map? Amarr/Caldari don't even have a border!

I would like to think that sort of basic political reality matters.

A minor quibble on my part, but this is not entirely correct. The State and the Empire share a border through Kaaputenen and Niarja.

[Gaven Lok ri]

Isn't that a really long jump spatially, though? Like one of the old highways?

[Vincent Pryce]

I reckon what Gaven means by border is lowsec to fight over. Kaaputenen and Niarja are just gankhappy highsec systems. Especially Niarja.

[Lyn Farel]

And while i could see Gonzales pulling that sort of silliness, i would hope the current team is above it.

The Amarr have an entire border with the Gallente if they want to shake things up.

My sentiments exactly. Amarr RPers can be too moderate in their religious fervor sometimes... even those who are really devout? Where are the terrorist types who behave and talk like Space Marines?

Because in the modern political context, talking openly about Reclaiming through arms and conquest is pure suicide.

Even hardliners that truly believe in that live in modern times, not in middle age. They will wait patiently for the right time. They will not launch stupid crusades that just make them look like the obvious threat to everyone else in the cluster. They will probably more use canny rhetorics and show themselves to be above all blames. They will only use the mistakes of others to retaliate through actual, justified Reclaiming.

[Gaven Lok ri]

I reckon what Gaven means by border is lowsec to fight over. Kaaputenen and Niarja are just gankhappy highsec systems. Especially Niarja.

They are also physically far apart in spatial terms rather than number of jump terms. I think they *might* be within cyno range of eachother, but I am not sure of that. You cut that gate and the Empires are not actually close to each other.

It used to be (As in 2005) that all of the empires had high sec connections to one another. Then they upped tensions after Doriam's death and made EVE a bigger space by forcing people to go through low sec to get from Amarr to Matar. They didn't cut the high sec highways between Caldari-Amarr and Matari-Gallenti

If tensions increase between Caldari-Amarr, they should probably consider cutting that gates existence.

[Lyn Farel]

I reckon what Gaven means by border is lowsec to fight over. Kaaputenen and Niarja are just gankhappy highsec systems. Especially Niarja.

If tensions increase between Caldari-Amarr, they should probably consider cutting that gates existence.

That would be quite funny.

Oh all the tears.

[Davlos]

And while i could see Gonzales pulling that sort of silliness, i would hope the current team is above it.

The Amarr have an entire border with the Gallente if they want to shake things up.

My sentiments exactly. Amarr RPers can be too moderate in their religious fervor sometimes... even those who are really devout? Where are the terrorist types who behave and talk like Space Marines?

Because in the modern political context, talking openly about Reclaiming through arms and conquest is pure suicide.

Even hardliners that truly believe in that live in modern times, not in middle age. They will wait patiently for the right time. They will not launch stupid crusades that just make them look like the obvious threat to everyone else in the cluster. They will probably more use canny rhetorics and show themselves to be above all blames. They will only use the mistakes of others to retaliate through actual, justified Reclaiming.

You probably have never been religious before. I have - I was once a Baptist zealot in the form of a youth pastor, and when religion places itself above reason in the human mind, everything becomes possible as long as they believe that God is on their side. Because really, why wouldn't God be on their side, since they are Reclaiming (x people) in the name of His Glory?

While there are no doubt practical hardliners, there are always going to be this small group of crazies who will do crazy shit in the name of God, regardless of the circumstances in the reality they live in because God is their reality.

[Lyn Farel]

Well yes, sorry, I was mostly thinking about the Amarrian leaders rather than the average capsuleer.