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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #45 on: 09 May 2013, 05:49 »

Well, it looks like going to every one against every other scenario  :roll:

Maybe.

That Caldari/Minmatar alliance is looking better and better. Jovian favorites, UNITE!

(Though it's going to take some creative writing to get the Amarr and Gallente into bed.)


Thought #1: CONCORD, never wholly recovered from the Elder attack (and the Sleepers, et cetera), realizes that it can't continue to limp along as it has been doing. Perhaps this realization is driven home by the Republic's forging a formal alliance with the State, and the two of them deciding that they will no longer be bound by CONCORD authority.  (And perhaps the State also decides in whole or in part to forget about all the financial support the Empire poured into it.)

Thought #2: As a side effect of its conflict with the Republic/severing of diplomatic relations, the infrastructure of the Federation deteriorates.  As a whole, it'd grown heavily dependent on automation and immigrant labor (and immigrants to maintain that automated machinery), and many of those immigrants are fleeing the Federation.  Food supplies begin to be disrupted even on self-sustaining worlds, causing outbreaks of famine in some areas while in others crops rot in the fields or hydroponic installations.  While appeals to patriotic sentiment do get some Federation natives to take on this work, it's not enough.  Government attempts to conscript labor go poorly.  Riots happen.

Thought #3:  The Empire, who has long been a trading partner with the Federation despite their core ideological differences (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Gallente-Amarr_Free_Trade_Agreement), quietly steps in to provide assistance. This may not be done at the Emperor-President level, but negotiated between corporations.  For example, the food situation may be dire enough that Combined Harvest (despite their being paranoid bastards) negotiates with Nutura for the use of transport ships and labor gone idle from Nutura's State and Republic operations.

Thought #4:  The negotiations between Federation and Amarr corporations are often initiated with the assistance of Quafe representatives (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Girani-Fa_incident), because Quafe, despite occasional sordid commercials and pesky rumors of ingredients sourced from biomass, is still held in good regard by both Federation and Empire.  As Quafe's role of emissary grows, it finds itself increasingly divided between diplomatic and profit functions.

Thought #5:  Yielding to shareholder pressure, Quafe transfers its diplomatic function (and a chunk of sponsorship money) to the remnants of CONCORD, who then takes on the role of negotiating and preserving the economic alliance between Federation and Empire.  Only then does the alliance become acknowledged at the highest levels.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #46 on: 09 May 2013, 08:21 »

I love how whenever they need to kill off an important character there's always some kind of malfunction with the cloning process. If I were a capsule pilot I'd feel a bit uncomfortable about the whole process myself.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #47 on: 09 May 2013, 08:33 »

There was no malfunction with it. Making a clone requires an intact brain. The brain was not intact. There was a 'malfunction' with the person, not the cloning.

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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #48 on: 09 May 2013, 08:40 »

There was no malfunction with it. Making a clone requires an intact brain. The brain was not intact. There was a 'malfunction' with the person, not the cloning.
OH! WELL! What a silly mistake on my part! How foolish I've been to make such an observation. It couldn't just be a convenient plot mechanism to destroy a character, because clearly it's grounded in solid (pseudo) science.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #49 on: 09 May 2013, 09:31 »

Of course her getting shot in the head was a convenient plot mechanism to kill her off, since it avoids the cloning issue entirely short of not-exactly-canon soft clones.

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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #50 on: 09 May 2013, 11:03 »

At least we can use it as a drib of evidence against having pre-scanned soft clones, mmm?

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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #51 on: 09 May 2013, 11:22 »

At least we can use it as a drib of evidence against having pre-scanned soft clones, mmm?

Not really, since one can choose to not maintain a soft clone.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #52 on: 09 May 2013, 12:02 »

Adding to what Samira says, there is evidence that highly spiritual Matari regard repeated cloning with suspicion as well, believing that without some counteracting force it leads to a bias towards the physical world rather than the spiritual. For a tribal leader - both political and spiritual - to not maintain a softscan clone for this reason wouldn't surprise me.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #53 on: 09 May 2013, 16:06 »

Bah. I'll just have to write my cloning fiction without the CCP update I'd been hoping for.  :s

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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #54 on: 09 May 2013, 23:50 »

I recall Morwen reporting the answer a ccp guy gave to the the question of whether softcloning is canon or not, during the fanfest. It was more or less "I'm not going to touch this mess with a 10-feet pole."

I take it as a hint that, in the foreseeable future, the newsfeed and chronicles simply won't mention softcloning one way or another -Karin Midular could have refused a softclone backup for spiritual/personal reasons, or simply doesn't have one because there's no such thing as softcloning.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #55 on: 10 May 2013, 06:23 »

Yes, I asked at the story panel.

It wasn't quite meant in the way you describe. It was more meant in the sense of "I'm not going to say much on that, because it would take up the entire hour."

The issue that their cloning PF is little more than a messy, inconsistent morass that is constantly flopping itself back and forth between extremes like Sort Dragon's 15" purple rubber dildo (aka the Fanfest Dildo™) is now very high on their radar, and they said it would be something they would speak about during one of their "story summits".
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #56 on: 10 May 2013, 16:58 »

The real question is: Is Ushra'Khan going to ante up and pay the shooter that 1 ISK bounty?

Hard to pay a bounty to someone who has been hidden away by the Gallente. :p

As for the whole 'cloning/backup' thing etc. I remember talking about this with people at the FF too and I took this view.

Can both not exist in the world of EVE? Of course they can. Because a thing exists, does not mean it becomes a rule.

OK we all have to accept that Sarum was Deus Ex'd into the story line... so I guess that can be done. It is EVE cannon like it or not. It does not mean Midular has the same available to her. Nor does it mean that it is suddenly impossible given that she is apparently not able to be cloned either, and that this is some kind of retcon or oversight on CCP's behalf.

Imagine this. Midular was asked a long time ago if she wants a backup scan doing regular, and a clone making in case of accidents. She refuses for her own reasons. And there is little wrong with this from a storyline point of view.

End result is this, though. She is dead, she has no clone waiting for her. The next person likely will have because they chose it. There is room for both to exist in the story because the characters still have choice. ;)

Just posting to say that "1 ISK for Midular" was one of my favouritest things in Eve. :) Was a good time to be a Minnie in many respects.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #58 on: 12 May 2013, 06:55 »

Yeah, I was right not to touch this.
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Re: Midular Dead
« Reply #59 on: 12 May 2013, 08:25 »

Yeah, I was right not to touch this.

This.
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