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[Gesakaarin]

So, ever since the DUST 514 Beta we've had Dust Troopers freely accessing and discussing in available channels in addition to actively participating in the world, by taking over territory, calling in orbital bombardments and the like - I had assumed that their existence was more or less already well known.

Now, however there seems to be a theme where no one was supposed to know and the secret is only now coming out, which really seems at odds with the active participation that Dust Troopers have already had in the world. I admit, I'm slightly confused right now at what appears to be a you-know-but-you-don't-know state of affairs in regards to all those immortal clone soldiers which have been running about.

Anyone have an idea what's going on?

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

So, ever since the DUST 514 Beta we've had Dust Troopers freely accessing and discussing in available channels in addition to actively participating in the world, by taking over territory, calling in orbital bombardments and the like - I had assumed that their existence was more or less already well known.

Now, however there seems to be a theme where no one was supposed to know and the secret is only now coming out, which really seems at odds with the active participation that Dust Troopers have already had in the world. I admit, I'm slightly confused right now at what appears to be a you-know-but-you-don't-know state of affairs in regards to all those immortal clone soldiers which have been running about.

Anyone have an idea what's going on?

The President has been doing too many drugs?

Also, suppressing immortal troopers with, by now, firmly entrenched support networks. Good luck with that Mr President. I wonder who will be replacing him when this policy gets him kicked out and/or killed?

[DeadRow]

Obviously the Capsuleers of the cluster know about the Dusties by all of them running around our channels. But would the general population? If someone said to you 'Yeah I heard Dave say that his friend read about these new kinds of soldiers our governments are working on. They are going to be immortal, how cool!' not many people would believe, maybe?

[ArtOfLight]

The way I see it is that Capsuleers have something of an outside perspective, we can see more than most people in the cluster just by virtue of our "freedom."

In this case, DUSTers were already known to us but most of us likely don't know the full extent of the details behind them. They're clones? Check. They're designed for ground combat instead of space combat? Check. Okay then.

Now we're being told that they were secret programs by the governments (which clearly none of us knew) and they're "going crazy" by government standards (kind of like us!). It's a case of information we took for granted now being revealed as some major secret from everyone else, shame on us for thinking the governments weren't up to no good!

As a side note, it creates an interest symmetry that both DUSTers and Capsuleers are basically seen as threats in need of containment by the governments. Don't be surprised if we start to see a CONCORD extension into the ground combat or a whole new entity to operate in the same capacity.

I wonder when the revolution will begin, us against them.

[Morwen Lagann]

Someone mentioned it awhile back (I don't remember who exactly) but they were suggesting that the ongoing Dust storyline events that we're participating in will (among other things) culminate in the creation of Arkombine, an NPC merc corp that according to the Dust website "[is] a splinter group of disillusioned clone soldiers. Betrayed by the nations they swore to serve, they now seek independence and a way out of mercenary life. Their ranks are comprised of clone soldiers from all four of the major factions."

[Vieve]

One might be able to argue that some folks could see this on the horizon as far back as YC 111.

In early YC111, an internal document from Cromeaux leaked to the press describing a new program called "Final Soldier." Although the aim of the project is unknown, the document does confirm that resources from both Duvolle's Personal Weapons Division and Cromeaux Inc. are involved, and that the team is headed by Xarasier himself.

from http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Duvolle_Laboratories



Of course, if memory serves, Templar One eschewed the idea of cloned soldiers being the natural evolution of modern cloning and neural scanner technology in favor of their being ancient tech, so heaven only knows what came of the "Final Soldier" program.

[Morwen Lagann]

I doubt it had as, uh, flashy an end as Xarasier did, at the very least.

[Desiderya]

I think DeadRow has it right. Capsuleers are more likely to know about this than the general populace.
I see the Roden speech revealing these informations to the citizens, not to capsuleers.

[Anslol]

More importantly, who's going to even KNOW they were immortal behind all that armor? Most civilians wouldn't be in a combat zone and even if they were, they would just see a bunch of guys in standard armor. They'd have no clue they were the same few people just being recloned. Makes sense to me that your standard citizen wouldn't know what's going on.

[Sepherim]

Agreed.

[Gesakaarin]

I guess for me, where the issue lies is that what is being represented with DUST in-game currently doesn't seem to mesh with what is being presented in the fiction.

On the one hand, it seems DUST troops are already regulated to an extent in that they can only deploy in certain areas, are restricted in who they can shoot and its also common knowledge at least among capsuleers that they're immortal and can be cloned which is at odds with this concept of having secret soldiers that no one knows about with the potential of running amok which has the empires worried.

Unless of course it's just that we're receiving the fictional explanations for DUST troops in the world after the fact instead of prior to it, because CCP wanted to run the Beta asap, which makes sense I suppose.

Well, I guess it's time to nuke all those Dusties from orbit, it's the only way to be sure they're all eliminated (If only they weren't immortal).

[Anslol]

This is the thing. And SPOILERS FFS WILL FOLLOW FROM TEMPLAR 1 AND OTHER FICTION SO DON'T KEEP GOING IF YOU DON'T WANT EM! But if you WANT to know and don't care about spoilers, read on.

****You have been warned  ****

[spoiler]In Templar 1, we see the story of the very first batch of clone soldiers being directly infused with Sleeper implants to enable consciousness transfer sans-pod. Amarr did this first. NOW, this worked at first, but made some very odd soldiers, in that they had no real personality or anything, just immortal soldiers. As the story progressed, we see that these soldiers in other parts of the Empire being test deployed are going bonkers and killing people while speaking gibberish (i.e. Sleeper Dialect).[/spoiler]

[spoiler]The reason for this, stated in the book, is that the implants harvested from Sleeper creches were well...from living Sleepers. That implant apparently allowed them to come back and forth from VR to reality, as it is anathema to them to exist ONLY in cyber space and not have a body to return to. So, all those bodies they harvested for their soldiers? Yeah, they came from still living Sleepers existing in their VR world.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Because of this, fragments of a Sleeper consciousness would remain in the implant. Maybe it was a backup of the mind or maybe it was a failsafe, pulling the person from the VR world to the implant in an attempt to preserve them and the sanctity of the VR world. I think it was the later. Anyway, because of this, the very first DUST batch ended up having a second consciousness in their head that would remain latent until some unknown time where they would manifest on top of the DUST mind and well, go bonkers.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]Each murder or nut job session ended with the number 514 being painted or scratched somewhere. This is the threat Roden speaks of, as well as the other Empires that are dealing with it. These soldiers are being, according to T1, driven by Sleeper residual consciousness post-implantation due to the implants being harvested from living Sleepers.[/spoiler]

[spoiler]I suggest you read the book, it answers a lot. But that's the reason these initial batches are being targeted, at least story wise. But we eggers would never have known about the initial batch. I remember on DUSTy saying they started feeling weird and psycho but they had their implants switched, so meh. Seems believable that it could happen before said consciousness could take hold. However, the original ORIGINAL DUSTies, with the Sleeper implants are most likely too far gone.[/spoiler]

[Silas Vitalia]

I find it extremely interesting Roden mentioned a difference between generation one and the next generation of dust troopers. 

1st batch with the sleeper implants = crazysauce

Following batches from their own tech seem to be fine?

I wasn't aware that any of these troops could be made without the actual sleeper technology?

[Morwen Lagann]

I find it extremely interesting Roden mentioned a difference between generation one and the next generation of dust troopers. 

1st batch with the sleeper implants = crazysauce

Following batches from their own tech seem to be fine?

I wasn't aware that any of these troops could be made without the actual sleeper technology?

I take it you didn't read this chronicle, then.

[Silas Vitalia]

I find it extremely interesting Roden mentioned a difference between generation one and the next generation of dust troopers. 

1st batch with the sleeper implants = crazysauce

Following batches from their own tech seem to be fine?

I wasn't aware that any of these troops could be made without the actual sleeper technology?

I take it you didn't read this chronicle, then.

Nope! Behind as usual. bus-ay