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[Katrina Oniseki]

Has anybody noticed that the very characters ours are supposed to respect are quickly falling victim to low class mudslinging and chestbeating?

I'll take the recent contributions by Admiral Visera Yanala, who's posts could basically be summed up as "I'VE BEEN IN THE NAVY FOR EIGHTY YEARS, YOU SHOULD ALL LISTEN TO ME". I'm sorry, but screaming about her service record no less than three times (and yet again in another post) does not edify the character.

This character should be well aware of the fickle lack of discipline the Independent Capsuleers have. She should be aware that her posts as they are, are about as effective as screaming at a brick wall. Demanding respect from the capsule community doesn't earn any of us a lick of it. I can't imagine why somebody who works for CCP would assume it would earn the Admiral it.

Furthermore, somebody who's been walking around for 80 years in the first place would seem to me to be far less likely to engage in the pointless chestbeating seen on the IGS. Even less so somebody who's been a military servicewoman for those 80 years. But maybe I'm just stereotyping. In short, I think Admiral Visera Yanala's posts make her look ridiculous and non-immersive. She comes off as somebody insecure and begging for attention and recognition of her service record, instead of somebody with a strong and confident personality that doesn't need some dirty egger's validation or opinions.

I feel like there is a slightly backwards status quo when (I think) Katrina's press releases are more carefully worded, less inflammatory, and better handled about replies than a factional leader's are.

[Saede Riordan]

Yeah. This.

Though tbh Kat, you might want to repost this on the EVE Fiction forum where the dev's regularly lurk. This is the sort of thing that probably should get a response, and I do completely agree.

[Katrina Oniseki]

Though tbh Kat, you might want to repost this on the EVE Fiction forum where the dev's regularly lurk. This is the sort of thing that probably should get a response, and I do completely agree.

Done.

[Lyn Farel]

:tongueincheek:

We can "urdoingitwrong" on event actors ? 

[Katrina Oniseki]

:tongueincheek:

We can "urdoingitwrong" on event actors ? 

I think so? People have been doing it to TonyG pretty openly and harshly for entire threads with no moderator intervention. If Mods want to delete this thread, that is fine. I have a copy up for discussion on the EVE forums.

[Jade Constantine]

Perhaps the npc is supposed to be out of touch, flawed, patriarchal and dismissive of capsule pilots? Just a thought.

[Katrina Oniseki]

Perhaps the npc is supposed to be out of touch, flawed, patriarchal and dismissive of capsule pilots? Just a thought.

Huh. I had considered that maybe the character is supposed to be a little 'off', yes... but when you word it that way, suddenly it makes sense for why. Maybe it is written that way on purpose in order to purposefully damage respect in keeping with the Uprising plot.

Also, yay I got a Jade post in my thread!  

[Sakura Nihil]

At Kat - remember, this woman has been in the Navy for 80 years.  How would you feel if you spent that amount of time serving the State, and a bunch of upstart 20-30 year old capsuleers came along and said "you're doing it wrong".  Or worse yet, "you're fucking up the State"?

I suspect that your response would be "fuck you, come talk to me when you've put in the time I have".  So, it's a believable reaction IC, no worries.

[Khloe]

Sakura's post hit my impression of the matter. She's an experienced admiral, not a politician, and while I'm sure she has to do her fair share of politicking to have remained there for eighty years, she's probably not as refined in her dialog as an ambassador or diplomat.

Also, she looks pretty damn good for... how old is she?

[Katrina Oniseki]

Also, she looks pretty damn good for... how old is she?

Probably a capsuleer too.

[Iwan Terpalen]

It's not strictly the most politically savvy thing to do, but it does come across as pretty believable. Obviously the admiral's nerves are a little strained, and then along come all these bloody capsuleers with extremely loud and unauthoritarian ideas about what's going on and who should do what. I'd flip my shit over less.

Plus, it might be less of a PR move designed to appeal to the sensibilities of the capsuleeer audience, and more of a dog whistle to the people back home, to indicate that whatever happens, it'll certainly be nothing as crazy as what these freaky eggers are proposing.

[Gottii]

I can tell by Kat's never served in the military. 

Seems quite realistic given some of the senior leadership I served with. 

[Svetlana Scarlet]

At Kat - remember, this woman has been in the Navy for 80 years.  How would you feel if you spent that amount of time serving the State, and a bunch of upstart 20-30 year old capsuleers came along and said "you're doing it wrong".  Or worse yet, "you're fucking up the State"?

I suspect that your response would be "fuck you, come talk to me when you've put in the time I have".  So, it's a believable reaction IC, no worries.

It doesn't matter. Good leaders know that you can't simply demand respect from someone and expect it to be given. If she wants respect, she needs to prove she is worthy of it -- and saying "I know important people and I've been around forever" is appeal to authority, not a reason to give her respect. If she refuted any of the holes being poked in her defense of her actions as opposed to saying "shut up, I'm important!" she might have better luck. But then...I am slightly biased in this particular matter.

It has been a common complaint I've had with a lot of CCP's major NPCs though. They claim they are charismatic or whip smart, but they have a horrible time actually portraying that.

[Pieter Tuulinen]

I can tell by Kat's never served in the military. 

Seems quite realistic given some of the senior leadership I served with. 

Flag officers are supposed to be politicians in addition to everything else. Although I have to admit that I've never even contemplated so much as thinking about talking back to one...

[Lyn Farel]

:tongueincheek:

We can "urdoingitwrong" on event actors ? 

I think so? People have been doing it to TonyG pretty openly and harshly for entire threads with no moderator intervention. If Mods want to delete this thread, that is fine. I have a copy up for discussion on the EVE forums.

I was not really serious huh