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[kalaratiri]

In my 5 years of playing I've never been in a corp without at least one girl in it. I've no idea if this was just luck, or if there are more women than everyone thinks I spent most of 2010 playing with four australian girls, a large chunk of 2009 playing with a south african girl, and at one point in early-mid 2010 shared a corp with Arydanika. Right from when I first started in 2008 I met a few women in Paxton Federation (yes, I was once Proviblock >_>).

I don't think women are as unusual in EVE as people think they are. Not a majority maybe, but I'd say closer to 20% than 5%.

[Aria Jenneth]

I don't think women are as unusual in EVE as people think they are. Not a majority maybe, but I'd say closer to 20% than 5%.

That would track what I remember hearing about increasing proportion. However, I don't think it's quite that high-- women also seem to have a larger slice of the roleplaying community than the game's population at large.

That might just be my own perception, mind you.

[Silas Vitalia]

Women are a majority of 'gamers' these days, especially when including mobile gaming. It's something like 60/40.

EVE is incredibly niche and doesn't follow that trend.   10% maybe.


Interesting points regarding the 'being offended' conversation.

Language is powerful and matters more to some than others. I choose not to use certain language due to the amount of homosexuals I'm friends with and that are in my social circiles, even if they sometimes do themselves. 

On the other hand in general someone telling me how super offended they are by something makes me have the immediate reaction of wanting to do it back to them twice as bad and tell them to HTFU sometimes.  You're offended, great. Get over it.

Ah, the tightropes we walk.

[Jade Constantine]

That being said people who don't spend that time and effort to develop themselves and appear out of thin air to wave their desires for space lesbian sexychats in everyone's face uninvited will be met with ridicule ammunition on full broadside from me.

Funnily enough in the posthuman cultural melange of eve online (influenced admittedly from my enjoyment of the culture novels and similarly sexy scifi Utopias) I find it far easier to believe the characterisation of lesbian / bi / gay / transgendered / fetish / queer / kink / whatever sexychats without prior background development and accredited RP certificate of approval, than I do the average tyrannical space warlord or knuckle-dragging religious extremist.

Guy comes from nowhere and claims to be a hotshot dangerous pirate or übermerc, alliance warlord etc and I am extremely cynical about that characterisation because most likely they never anything to earn the rep. I'm being asked to give credence to something I highly doubt has basis in game reality and that's something I do find a bit jarring (see my many past RP scandals and wars and whatnot).

On the other hand I see a couple of neon facepaint wearing space lesbians making out with fruit bowls, hair clips and dog collars in the Holofeed and that does absolutely nothing to break my suspension of disbelief or to damage my immersion in the setting. On the contrary eve is (was) as seedy, adult, beautiful tacky world of weird and wonderful sexuality and blade runner visuals with human life as cheap as the morals, ethics and general disposition of its population. Star Wars cantina scene with more dildos, spiked collars and poppers basically.

This is the game world where the most esteemed Amarrian cleric of the early years kept naked golden slave children in cages for heavens sake... It's always been pretty ripe.

I guess the summary is that sexytime space lesbians work for me as believable background to a space age posthuman vision of the ultra rich near immortal capsule pilot caste. Certainly far better than tough guy pirates who mostly run level 4 missions and would dare say boo to a goose in lowsec. Then again I have always loved futuristic orgy scenes in racy scifi movies

[Louella Dougans]

statistics for women players of EVE were obtained from the CSM voting patterns.

I'll see if I can find the link

CSM7 http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm-7-the-results/
Female users seem less inclined to vote than male users, with 3.51% of voters being female despite making up 5.11% of the total EVE user base.

CSM6 http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/2293
Male voters were once again 96.9% of the voting total number and female voters 3.1%. This is compared to the 96% male and 4% female ratio of the EVE user base.

CSM5 http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm5-election-the-results-are-in/
This is compared to the 96% male and 4% female ratio of the player base, indicating that male users were more likely than female users to vote in this election

[Silas Vitalia]

That being said people who don't spend that time and effort to develop themselves and appear out of thin air to wave their desires for space lesbian sexychats in everyone's face uninvited will be met with ridicule ammunition on full broadside from me.

Funnily enough in the posthuman cultural melange of eve online (influenced admittedly from my enjoyment of the culture novels and similarly sexy scifi Utopias) I find it far easier to believe the characterisation of lesbian / bi / gay / transgendered / fetish / queer / kink / whatever sexychats without prior background development and accredited RP certificate of approval, than I do the average tyrannical space warlord or knuckle-dragging religious extremist.

Guy comes from nowhere and claims to be a hotshot dangerous pirate or übermerc, alliance warlord etc and I am extremely cynical about that characterisation because most likely they never anything to earn the rep. I'm being asked to give credence to something I highly doubt has basis in game reality and that's something I do find a bit jarring (see my many past RP scandals and wars and whatnot).

On the other hand I see a couple of neon facepaint wearing space lesbians making out with fruit bowls, hair clips and dog collars in the Holofeed and that does absolutely nothing to break my suspension of disbelief or to damage my immersion in the setting. On the contrary eve is (was) as seedy, adult, beautiful tacky world of weird and wonderful sexuality and blade runner visuals with human life as cheap as the morals, ethics and general disposition of its population. Star Wars cantina scene with more dildos, spiked collars and poppers basically.

This is the game world where the most esteemed Amarrian cleric of the early years kept naked golden slave children in cages for heavens sake... It's always been pretty ripe.

I guess the summary is that sexytime space lesbians work for me as believable background to a space age posthuman vision of the ultra rich near immortal capsule pilot caste. Certainly far better than tough guy pirates who mostly run level 4 missions and would dare say boo to a goose in lowsec. Then again I have always loved futuristic orgy scenes in racy scifi movies

Jade,

Good points,

Tough guy level 4 missioners coming out of nowhere with the 'I'm dangerous' attitude are just as guilty, and I think the same disbelief should absolutely apply to them.

It's the thought that goes into it and how well it's all written.

The sort of lax sexual future environments you describe are absolutely valid and I'd expect to see plenty of that sort of thing in the right context. Context being key. 

[Makkal]

Eve might be a posthuman cultural melange, but it's players and creators are from the real world.
Therefore, it's fine to criticize the sexualization of characters from a real world standpoint.

Prior to the Jell-O match, someone suggests Pieter tear off Ava's shirt to show her boobs. No one suggested Ava tear off Pieter's briefs to show his dick.

Why? Because they're not people from a far flung future. They're a bunch of modern day people siting in front of computers and the content they create reflects that.

For most characters that happen to be lesbian, I have to have it pointed out for me to be aware of the fact.

Morwen outed herself to Makkal the other day.

She didn't even blink an eye. She just closed them both and passed out without even noticing.

It needs to be pointed out when the character isn't half-sleep. (Or the player.) :p

[Ché Biko]

[..]women also seem to have a larger slice of the roleplaying community than the game's population at large.

That might just be my own perception, mind you.

That is also my perception. I was surprised to see that in the "Show Yourself" thread revealed a surprising proportion of female players. I'd say the slice of female RP-ers is about 15-25%.

Prior to the Jell-O match, someone suggests Pieter tear off Ava's shirt to show her boobs.

Actually, it was also during the match, and Ché was totally expecting Ava to wear a bra. He said nothing about boobs.
...
Wait...when Ava was upside down...she was wearing underwear underneath her skirt, right?

[Lithium Flower]

On the other hand I see a couple of neon facepaint wearing space lesbians making out with fruit bowls, hair clips and dog collars in the Holofeed and that does absolutely nothing to break my suspension of disbelief or to damage my immersion in the setting. On the contrary eve is (was) as seedy, adult, beautiful tacky world of weird and wonderful sexuality and blade runner visuals with human life as cheap as the morals, ethics and general disposition of its population. Star Wars cantina scene with more dildos, spiked collars and poppers basically.

That's how I always imagined Gallente Federation, where they put hedonism to extreme

I don't think that the future should be bound with open sexuality. For example, take into consideration a Roman Empire and what happened lately with coming of Christianity and dark ages.

With this idea I consider Amarrians more like puritans. Of course, there is sexuality, and children are born somehow, but they never allow it to public. And even if you have to be a lesbian in Amarr Empire (oh sinners sinners) you would never ever talk about it. It would be a character's "dark secret", that no one should ever know.

For Caldari society, as society of hard workers and corporatism, I would find the most suitable analogy in Soviet Union. Despite there were no religion there, there also were absolutely no public sexual content. And the main source for this was society itself. It was a habit to discuss people's misbehavior publicly, and if it happened to be of sexual origin, that was quite shameful for a person, and would have some not pleasant consequences. In the State power of society is very strong too. Depending on your corporation and standards of living of your neighbors, you could easily be fired or cast away if any of your perversion or adultery will come to public eye.

But before making "tonns" of characters with little "dark secrets", take into consideration, that in societies with limited sexuality, majority of peoples are not properly educated in this matter and have very little experience. Sexuality could simple "not exist" for them, and they could consider "Star Wars cantina scenes with dildos etc" as rather dirty decadence than something "stimulating" This would be more like disgusting and confusing for a character.

More educated ones could say: "Why two women make a family together, this way they couldn't make any childs!"

[Silas Vitalia]

I strongly disagree with the concept of the Amarr being a bunch of prudes.

I think it takes on a -different- tone in the Empire.  Less flashy and superficial than the Federation but made up with more passion.

You better believe certain sectors of the aristocracy is into all manor of -insane- depravity of Roman disposition.

Also an Empire of beer and wine makers knows how to get down, you better believe it.

The Imperials don't have everything 'on display' like the Federation but I imagine in the right social settings not in mixed social classes things get just as nuts as anywhere else.

[lallara zhuul]

'Going nuts' is not the norm.

[Makkal]

I find myself agreeing with Silas.

I made Makkal a very 'clutching at pearl' 'praying each night not to have an impious thought about men or women' character, but I'd like to say I don't see that as reflecting the attitude of the Kingdom. It's the result of her upbringing.

My take has been that the Kingdom wants you to look 'decent' in public but people get up to all sorts of freaky stuff in private and it's fine.

[Silver Night]

There's probably room for a really broad range, in the Empire as elsewhere. It may depend a lot on the exact community you come from.

[Jade Constantine]

'Going nuts' is not the norm.

One might argue a theocratic state of trillions is the veritable epitome of the phrase ...

[Makkal]

^ Point.