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Vikarion

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #135 on: 25 Mar 2013, 23:07 »

Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.

You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.
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Vikarion

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #136 on: 25 Mar 2013, 23:08 »

Well, good.  Ishukone exists solely for the twin purposes of negotiating rationally with the Federation and giving Hyasyoda an ass to kiss.

It is sorta the Mary Sue Mega, crowned princess by TonyG. But hey, what are we gonna do?
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Vincent Pryce

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #137 on: 25 Mar 2013, 23:18 »

Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.

You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.

Just going by the chronicle, just going by the chronicle.
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Vikarion

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #138 on: 25 Mar 2013, 23:24 »

Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.

You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.

Just going by the chronicle, just going by the chronicle.

Which one?
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Vincent Pryce

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #139 on: 25 Mar 2013, 23:27 »

Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.

You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.

Just going by the chronicle, just going by the chronicle.

Which one?

The one where Ishukone purchases all the rights to Intaki?
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Vikarion

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #140 on: 25 Mar 2013, 23:51 »

The one where Ishukone purchases all the rights to Intaki?

Ah. Again, I don't believe that actually has any claim that the Mega's do "rape" the systems. After all, it occurs before the auction.
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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #141 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:05 »

It is sorta the Mary Sue Mega, crowned princess by TonyG. But hey, what are we gonna do?

No.  Mary Sues don't take it on the chin as often as Ishukone has, and they aren't as small and weak in comparison to their peers
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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #142 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:07 »

Eh. I will grant that Ishukone is one of the few megas that has seen any real development on its own, but that's less because they're a Mary Sue and more because they are simply the one that is the only voice of opposition to Heth (and even that has been pathetically muted).
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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #143 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:12 »

Saving Intaki from the resource rapesquad at the cost of near bankruptcy has it's advantages.

You know, as far as I'm aware, there's no PF that the Megas actually took off with the resources of any system. According to the news articles I have read, they got really badly burned because they were investing in the systems.

It probably takes pretty substantial capital to start up planetary-scale mining operations, or begin laying down million-square-kilometer-scale agriculture. That is an investment that also includes then taking resources back out of those systems - in fact, getting resources out of those systems is probably why they would invest int eh first place. Not only are the two not mutually exclusive - I would suggest that for most purposes, you cannot have the one (extracting resources of whatever sort) without the other (investing in the things that extract resources, whether literal mining facilities, or factories, or infrastructure).


As far as Ishukone goes, it just makes good sense for them - politically it is going to strengthen their position, because it may swing some of the in-between corporations to their side. It would be surprising if SuVee and NOH for example wanted to spend the money to help KK fight the Federation when they could be selling Federal citizens protein delicacies and specialty Caldari porn instead. Plus, Ishukone has more foreign exposure than most of the others, it seems, so they benefit from things not devolving into all-out war. And if they reach some kind of acceptable compromise on Caldari Prime, it makes them look good, and makes Heth look like an asshole.

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #144 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:25 »

Eh. I will grant that Ishukone is one of the few megas that has seen any real development on its own, but that's less because they're a Mary Sue and more because they are simply the one that is the only voice of opposition to Heth (and even that has been pathetically muted).

Ishukone received independent development prior to TEA.  I don't think the opposition to Heth really added to much to the previous development.

Plus, Ishukone has more foreign exposure than most of the others, it seems, so they benefit from things not devolving into all-out war.

KK has a lot of foreign exposure as well (see their station distribution).  The only two corps without significant presence outside the State are Lai Dai and Hyasyoda (again referencing station distribution).
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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #145 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:27 »

For obvious reasons, I don't think KK is going to make much progress with the Gallente, and I'm not sure the Practicals are ready to jump off the Heth train yet, though I'm sure they are reconsidering their previous support at this point. That doesn't leave many other options...
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Vikarion

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #146 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:32 »

It is sorta the Mary Sue Mega, crowned princess by TonyG. But hey, what are we gonna do?

No.  Mary Sues don't take it on the chin as often as Ishukone has, and they aren't as small and weak in comparison to their peers

Eh, I was mostly referring to its treatment in TEA, where it pretty much does serve that function.
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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #147 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:38 »

As someone who has been an Ishukone player from the get go (and never read Ruthless), let me just say that I was not happy about much of what happened in TEA. Especially since the CEO looked utterly retarded ("hey, I'll just leave my clone IN THE SPACE STATION I'M IN ALL THE TIME") and his sister looked weak and feckless (yet another of my critiques about TEA's misogynistic undercurrent, if you missed it). And then she GIVES AWAY insorum to the Minmatar. Smart. Move. Why did we chase Hnolku down again if you were just going to give it away to the Minmatar anyway?

Ishukone is one of the few megacorporations that's had a significant amount of development about what it is like aside from being Caldari. That is a crying shame and I'd really like to hear more about SuVee, NOH, and Lai Dai especially.
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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #148 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:41 »

As someone who has been an Ishukone player from the get go (and never read Ruthless), let me just say that I was not happy about much of what happened in TEA. Especially since the CEO looked utterly retarded ("hey, I'll just leave my clone IN THE SPACE STATION I'M IN ALL THE TIME") and his sister looked weak and feckless (yet another of my critiques about TEA's misogynistic undercurrent, if you missed it). And then she GIVES AWAY insorum to the Minmatar. Smart. Move. Why did we chase Hnolku down again if you were just going to give it away to the Minmatar anyway?

Ishukone is one of the few megacorporations that's had a significant amount of development about what it is like aside from being Caldari. That is a crying shame and I'd really like to hear more about SuVee, NOH, and Lai Dai especially.

I'm in the same boat as Svetlana, and agree pretty much completely.

As far as Ishukone foreign exposure, it is not just station distribution - it is based in part on assumptions, though. Given what we know about the 'Liberal' block, and Ishukone's place in it, it seems safe to suspect that they would gain the most benefit from somewhat normalized relationships outside the State - particularly with the Fed and to some degree the Republic.

Also, Lai Dai has deals with the Khanid, don't they? Just not stations?

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Re: Caldari Arc
« Reply #149 on: 26 Mar 2013, 00:42 »

I don't know about Lai Dai, but I know NOH does through Modern Finance.
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