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John Revenent

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I-RED PvP Videos
« on: 08 Oct 2012, 18:44 »

Brought to you by I-BRO Media:

http://www.youtube.com/user/IBROMedia

Some roams we do almost daily, figured we would start taking video footage of it. Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #1 on: 09 Oct 2012, 07:54 »

Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
Huh... I am pretty sure Amarr being best for Fleet PvP is up for debate.  A lot of people swear by Minmatar.

I really need to find time to FC Caldari fleets.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #2 on: 09 Oct 2012, 08:18 »

Awesome editing on both of them, intros especially.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #3 on: 09 Oct 2012, 08:47 »

Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes.  I-RED is better than that. 

Great editing and good to see Caldari Bros killing things though.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #4 on: 09 Oct 2012, 09:04 »

Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
Huh... I am pretty sure Amarr being best for Fleet PvP is up for debate.  A lot of people swear by Minmatar.

I really need to find time to FC Caldari fleets.

Winmatar!  o7

Yeah lets find some time Dex  :twisted:

Always nice to see Roam vids o7 nice John
« Last Edit: 09 Oct 2012, 09:06 by Demion Samenel »
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #5 on: 09 Oct 2012, 10:23 »

Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes.  I-RED is better than that. 

The videos are posted by one of our more 'fiery' pilots, not by John or the rest of the leadership. The opinions expressed within do not represent blah blah blah. Disclaimer stuff.

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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #6 on: 09 Oct 2012, 11:10 »

Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes.  I-RED is better than that.
'Mitilia scrubs'? Really? Last time I remember I-REDs on field, 'militia scrubs' were beating them like always.

Guys from I-RED, I challenge you, make something epic like 'militia scrubs' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg
Until then, please avoid calling militia this way. And please note, I don't ask you to become better than militia, or even equal to militia, but at least comparable with.
Thanks!
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #7 on: 09 Oct 2012, 11:27 »

Now let's not get hasty Lithium, Kat has explained that it is a personal comment and not an I-RED one so we should take it as a comment more on the nature of the poster than the corporation.  After all, they are very good videos.  I am also a little put off by the terminology, as game play is game play - there's lots of different flavours in EVE and the obnoxiously vocal proponents of each make their regular, friendly player base look bad.  So let's not get into a slagging match over what I only intended to bit a slight 'harumph' over one belittling comment on two great vids. 

Also loving the vid you linked Lithium, tbh both sets of vids here show what vastly different subsets of the eve population can put out when at their best.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #8 on: 09 Oct 2012, 12:10 »

Yes lots of lasers, and Amarr for Caldari but it is the best in fleet pvp.. sadly.
Huh... I am pretty sure Amarr being best for Fleet PvP is up for debate.  A lot of people swear by Minmatar.

I really need to find time to FC Caldari fleets.

Amarr are by far the best for more 'static' fights (large numbers, defending or offending static locations). Hellcats and NavApocs are still ridiculously hard to beat in large numbers.

Minnie's still much better at gun and run, as they always have been.

I've been having good discussions these days about best ways and counters to beat those pesky tier three bc nano gangs.

Good videocap thought pew pew pew pew lasorrrrz



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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #9 on: 09 Oct 2012, 12:18 »

Entertainingly, as far as I can tell Shadow Cartel's 100mn Teir 3 BC/Tengu gangs are, so far at least, more or less unbeatable. The only time I've ever seen them lose ships is to either massive spider tanking and RR (in which case most of them just burn out and leave) or when they've made a mistake with their cycle times and coasted into a rapier or something.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #10 on: 09 Oct 2012, 12:33 »

Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes.  I-RED is better than that.
'Mitilia scrubs'? Really? Last time I remember I-REDs on field, 'militia scrubs' were beating them like always.

Guys from I-RED, I challenge you, make something epic like 'militia scrubs' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg
Until then, please avoid calling militia this way. And please note, I don't ask you to become better than militia, or even equal to militia, but at least comparable with.
Thanks!

Heh.

Nothing more will be said from me other then I suggest you read above.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #11 on: 09 Oct 2012, 13:44 »

Entertainingly, as far as I can tell Shadow Cartel's 100mn Teir 3 BC/Tengu gangs are, so far at least, more or less unbeatable. The only time I've ever seen them lose ships is to either massive spider tanking and RR (in which case most of them just burn out and leave) or when they've made a mistake with their cycle times and coasted into a rapier or something.

Forum mod topic splice mehbe? Good topic for debate!

I think Tengu's already becoming increasingly irrelevant even before this nerf with effective firewalls. It's difficult but it can be done.  Not really usable for close range, but with mass ranged tengu spam can render huge % of their offense out of the contest.

Navpocs -are- the counter for Tier 3 ranged shenanigans. Tier 3's just don't have the HP for those kinds of exchanges with better BS's.   Their mobility is super super nice though


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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #12 on: 09 Oct 2012, 14:03 »

Heh.

Nothing more will be said from me other then I suggest you read above.
I hope I don't have to say how inappropriate it was, and I overreacted a bit. I was harsh and I'm very sorry for this.

However, my challenge remains in effect, go for it!  8)
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #13 on: 10 Oct 2012, 12:35 »

Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes.  I-RED is better than that. 

The videos are posted by one of our more 'fiery' pilots, not by John or the rest of the leadership. The opinions expressed within do not represent blah blah blah. Disclaimer stuff.

Bullshit. By allowing him to voice such a 'we are so much better than you' attitude in both his descriptions and the video's themselves I-RED gives the impression they condone his way of thinking. What I assume to be his edit isn't helping either "We engaged a fleet of [not scrubs] militia" well look who could not bring himself to remove it entirely, instead trying for the 'not' approach in a pathetic attempt to be politically correct. Apparently it was enough for I-RED leadership to let it fly.

The video's were nice and all, but their execution gives me the impression that I-RED is on a whole very elitist about their dealings and generally don't offer much in the way of respect for... well, anything. Other sources leads me to believe this is not even remotely correct, but anyone who has not seen those can easily get the wrong impression. You may want to look into outlawing such an aggressive approach in such a public medium unless you don't care for the opinions people will form about your group. There are clearly more 'neutral' ways the same material can be presented that don't makes people take offense with, or misunderstand, you.

Love the videos but they could do without the 'description section' smack talk, specifically things like 'Militia scrubs' and the likes.  I-RED is better than that.
'Mitilia scrubs'? Really? Last time I remember I-REDs on field, 'militia scrubs' were beating them like always.

Guys from I-RED, I challenge you, make something epic like 'militia scrubs' here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2U0dTlU-QUg
Until then, please avoid calling militia this way. And please note, I don't ask you to become better than militia, or even equal to militia, but at least comparable with.
Thanks!


Onto a different topic, shortly. As far as I'm aware one of the biggest annoyances with the militias are groups like SOTF and Wolf-brigade, who blur the whole line between who can be trusted and not on a constant basis. On several occasions both these groups and others have gone out of their way to prove that they can't be trusted at all - they will pirate, roam with war-targets, fight other pirates, fight together with other pirates, combine fleets to attack third parties, anything for their amusement.

That's fine and all, they do whatever with their subscriptions, but that leave the rest of the militia in a bad spot - who the hell can you trust if you can't trust your fellow militia, or alliance mates?

One day, your corp-mates are fighting the other militia with you. The next they pirate on some random group out there that had so far done nothing 'wrong' far as PVP in low-sec was concerned. They can't trust your militia anymore now, if they ever could, and you got to watch out for them. The day after that, your militia-mates go help your enemies hold their space - against your allies militia, even. Now those two militias start to distrust each other. The next day those two groups go do something else to violate trust and so on.

In the end you end up having to shoot about anyone just to try and stay safe or not-dead in low-sec, your sec rating drops and soon your a legitimate target for anyone left that you may not have shot yet. welcome to low-sec, a place fit only for the low-security rated full, half or quarter pirates, militia or no militia. And gods help you if you leave any of these corps but linger, then they will be out shooting you next, as you happen to be a 'neutral' legitimate target for them to prey on.

IIRC there was time when I-RED was blue to some elements of the Caldari militia. That time has long ended, so it seems is the time when I-RED could be blue with a few Fed-mil elements - I believed I-RED to be blue with GMVA, for instance, and for GMVA to not be quasi-pirates or bluing with pirates, but here we have a video of GMVA, orange to I-RED, trying to help a pirate force out. Go figure. I pity the fresh players who actually think FW is 'noob-friendly'. That's a lie if I ever heard one.

I wonder wtf happened to 'trust' and 'honorable conduct'.
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Re: I-RED PvP Videos
« Reply #14 on: 10 Oct 2012, 12:50 »

I wonder wtf happened to 'trust' and 'honorable conduct'.

You are projecting an awful lot of your own views on these subjects into an amoral pvp arena.

No other group in eve plays by the rules we'd like them to, despite our best wishes.

Game mechanics encourage FW to be a shit-show of stupidity most of the time, so anyone participating unfortunately is subject to that particular meat grinder.


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