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[Victoria Stecker]

Going off topic a little bit... this was interesting.

Seems quite fitting after yesterdays remark, "we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

[Ciarente]

Going off topic a little bit... this was interesting.

Seems quite fitting after yesterdays remark, "we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

Is that the new way of saying 'I'm not going to let the truth get in the way of a good story" ?

[Morwen Lagann]

Going off topic a little bit... this was interesting.

Seems quite fitting after yesterdays remark, "we're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers."

You know you've gone and completely fucked up as a Republican when even Faux News rips into you and calls you a liar. (Link was contained in Stecker's link, but most sensible non-GOP avoid that place like the plague.)

[Casiella]

For which, unemployment or other "welfare" (a fairly broad term, I suppose)?

EDIT: I have a lot of sensible Republican[1] friends who feel the same way about that network.

[1]: I personally eschew the term GOP for reasons that should be obvious by now.

[Morwen Lagann]

EDIT: I have a lot of sensible Republican[1] friends who feel the same way about that network.

[1]: I personally eschew the term GOP for reasons that should be obvious by now.

I'm rarely capable of typing that word myself without correcting it to "Republitards" at this point (especially after reading that article), so rather than chance causing an issue, I went with something simpler and harder to mangle.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

Another thing to note:

The Romney campaign declared that they weren't going to be "run by fact checkers" the other day.  If someone can come up with an alternate translation for this beyond "We are going to lie our asses off and when called on it, liberal media, etc" I would be happy to hear it.

[Casiella]

That was just a couple of weeks after Governor Romney criticized the Obama campaign for not pulling an ad in response to fact-checkers.

Note, I'm not saying that the Obama campaign is blameless in this regard. But, well, look at any fact checking site regarding Representative Ryan's speech last night. I really, really, really hope that the same thing doesn't happen tonight and with the Democratic convention, but I expect it will.

I hate that shit.

[Alain Kinsella]

Glancing through the thread, it appears that I need to get myself re-registered as Independent at the first opportunity.

Bugger.

(For the record, I voted for Paul here in NJ - despite the fact that I/friends knew he wouldn't win.  Then again, I've voted for McGreevy twice, and would still do so.)

[orange]

For the record, I voted for Paul here in NJ - despite the fact that I/friends knew he wouldn't win.

I will probably still vote Paul in November; maybe Gary Johnson, we will see.

Regardless of how you view President Obama, it is likely more important to have an incredibly strong protest vote for a libertarian leaning candidate than voting for either primary party candidate.  An entire major voting block has to tell the established system "FUCK YOU."

[Saede Riordan]

I'm voting socialist.

[Lyn Farel]

There is socialist candidates ?

[orange]

There is socialist candidates ?

We have lots of "third" parties, but their candidates are rarely invited to televised national debates or make significant news.

In swing-States, third party candidates will sometimes tell their supporters to vote for the preferred major candidate.   Better to have a X than a Y in office, since we have "no hope" of winning.

For example, Saede is from New York (based on previous post).  Voting for a Socialist in New York is unlikely to take critical votes away from the Democrats.  Last election, I voted in Texas and my vote for a Libertarian candidate did not take critical votes away from the Republican.  If we voted in Florida or Ohio, our choices would be seen as more important because candidates win in those states by very narrow margins.

[Leopold Caine]

I thought you McCarthied them dirty commies out by now.

Probably gonna take a couple decades until US adopts socialdemocrat political options anyway.

[orange]

Probably gonna take a couple decades until US adopts socialdemocrat political options anyway.

I think in some areas you have socialist who run as Democrats and win.  In Vermont, you even have an Independent, who is a Socialist, who wins.

[Alain Kinsella]

There is socialist candidates ?

We always have at least one Green and one Socialist of some sort on all major tickets in NJ.

During my time in Hoboken, local fights were far more interesting.  You'd have several different groups - usually on the same party - fighting it out over one or two key issues (usually parking, and for good reason).  Far quieter where I moved to recently, though I'm thinking of doing research again (since work is here too).