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[lallara zhuul]

What I am getting at...

Capsuleers are pretty much instantly recognizable from baseliners because of their implants.

So will the DUSTers be.

Which in the long run will be bad, mmmkay?

If there is a disassociation between those that fight the war and those that the war is fought for, it usually spells trouble.

It is quite apparent with the capsuleers, it will happen with the DUSTers...

When will those wacky empires learn not to make tools that will turn against them?

[Morwen Lagann]

Wanted to point out the fact that NOTHING prevents you from claiming in any story that you did indeed have more than one clone active at a time - or somehow eluded CONCORD's knowledge of what clone is in use ( clone-jumping from a registered clone to an un-registered one hidden from their knowing) - you merely have to come up with a believable way to prevent CONCORD from finding out. I've not seen, IIRC, any info that states multi-clone activity as impossible, just that it's not allowed. CONCORD would not like hundreds or thousands of cloned versions of capsuleer X flying about in the ships the toon owns...

It is (in-game) impossible. That PF might state that people don't do it because Concord says 'no' is completely and utterly unbelievable. Like Concord is currently able to prevent anyone from doing what Concord thinks isn't allowed... NOT.

Merdaneth will think anyone who says people don't have multiple clones because 'Concord doesn't allow it' pretty dumb.

Also, you don't need to 'clone jump' from a registered to an unregistered clone. You simple have to copy the brain wave imprint that is transmitted to the cloning station. In fact, it should be perfectly possible to intercept, copy and use *other* capsuleers brain wave imprints and create illegal clones from other other people. In short: sucky PF explanation for the game dictated reality.

There's a few news stories from a while back dealing with this exact issue. It is illegal, and CONCORD will actively hunt you down if you are caught violating that rule - I would assume it is put into standard capsuleer cloning contracts.

[Robert Kauliford]

Tbh I often think to myself that Concord doesn't allow it is a handy explanation for a lot of things. For example any nerf can be explained by Concord creating new regulations to limit performance. Speed nerf = Concord impose new emissions standards/speed limits.

Also I thought the only way to get an accurate imprint was to basically turn the brain into mush or does jump cloning work differently?

[Morwen Lagann]

They still need to explain how jump cloning works, yeah, but you can make an accurate scan without making mush - it's just time-consuming. The "soft-scan" or "backup scan" that some RPers have used as an emergency plot device was made official PF when the fiction portal was created a few weeks ago.

[Mithfindel]

I might be wildly off-target, but I do believe that the reason for the ban of multiple clones does have something to do with people meeting themselves being bad for the psyche. Might be thinking the wrong setting or something, though.

[lallara zhuul]

Nah, its purely for legal reasons.

Which one of the clones is the 'real' one, who owns everything.
Who inherits things.
Who has to take care of the alimony for the kids.
Who has to go to the armed services because of conscription.
Which one has to go to jail.
Which one pays the taxes.

All that jazz.

So the easiest thing to do is to ban them.

[Graelyn]

Long ago, a Seraph named Darth Revenant (Ouch, I know) wrote quite a long story on this subject. He was CEO of Ubiqua Seraph (before Mirial). Not many folks read it, as it was an internal 'chronicle'.

In it, 2 clones, awoken at the same time, appear. Both claim to be the CEO. Both claim command of the Seraphs. Both try to wield bank accounts and property.  Crisis consumes the chain of command. Both are slightly different in personality. Which one is closer to 'real'? Neither will back down.

Eventually, both agree to try to kill each other. The corp accepts this resolution and allows the fight to progress until one slays the other. But which one was the real clone? Which was a backup?

What a nightmare it would be if that happened all the time.

[Vieve]

What a nightmare it would be if that happened all the time.

Tell me about it.  Seriously, there are few headaches worse than having to send an assassination team after one of your own duplicates.  Just ask Celeste ... er, on second thought, don't.

[Robert Kauliford]

Long ago, a Seraph named Darth Revenant (Ouch, I know) wrote quite a long story on this subject. He was CEO of Ubiqua Seraph (before Mirial). Not many folks read it, as it was an internal 'chronicle'.

In it, 2 clones, awoken at the same time, appear. Both claim to be the CEO. Both claim command of the Seraphs. Both try to wield bank accounts and property.  Crisis consumes the chain of command. Both are slightly different in personality. Which one is closer to 'real'? Neither will back down.

Eventually, both agree to try to kill each other. The corp accepts this resolution and allows the fight to progress until one slays the other. But which one was the real clone? Which was a backup?

What a nightmare it would be if that happened all the time.

Perhaps they should have just played rock paper scissors till someone won. Lot less messy 

[Ulphus]

Tbh I often think to myself that Concord doesn't allow it is a handy explanation for a lot of things. For example any nerf can be explained by Concord creating new regulations to limit performance. Speed nerf = Concord impose new emissions standards/speed limits.

The problem with that is that I can't see how it could be made to apply to pilots in nullsec, or even Pirate ships, I mean, if CONCORD can't keep angels out of  highsec, what makes you think they can get them to adhere to the traffic control/emission standards?

Also I thought the only way to get an accurate imprint was to basically turn the brain into mush or does jump cloning work differently?

Yeah, that used to be one interpretation, but I think it's pretty explicit in the new PF that you can make a non-destructive backup (though it's slow).

[Karmilla Strife]

It's been a few months since I ran it, but I seem to remember illegal cloning stations mentioned in the Angel epic arc.

Back on topic, I've heard that the same character (in the OOC sense of the term) will not be available in Dust. This would mean no shared wallet, no shared skillpoints, and hopefully no shared names.

[Rodj Blake]

Long ago, a Seraph named Darth Revenant (Ouch, I know) wrote quite a long story on this subject. He was CEO of Ubiqua Seraph (before Mirial). Not many folks read it, as it was an internal 'chronicle'.

In it, 2 clones, awoken at the same time, appear. Both claim to be the CEO. Both claim command of the Seraphs. Both try to wield bank accounts and property.  Crisis consumes the chain of command. Both are slightly different in personality. Which one is closer to 'real'? Neither will back down.

Eventually, both agree to try to kill each other. The corp accepts this resolution and allows the fight to progress until one slays the other. But which one was the real clone? Which was a backup?

What a nightmare it would be if that happened all the time.

Perhaps they should have just played rock paper scissors till someone won. Lot less messy 

If they have the same mental processes it might take a while...

[Morwen Lagann]

Back on topic, I've heard that the same character (in the OOC sense of the term) will not be available in Dust. This would mean no shared wallet, no shared skillpoints, and hopefully no shared names.

This is the case. EVE and Dust players will share the same namespace in the database, because (iirc) Dust mercs will be able to join EVE corps.

[Graanvlokkie]

I might be wildly off-target, but I do believe that the reason for the ban of multiple clones does have something to do with people meeting themselves being bad for the psyche. Might be thinking the wrong setting or something, though.

In the Jean Claude van Dam movie, "Time Cop", if you meet and touch the past version of yourself, both versions of you die horibly by turning to goo.

I would like to think the same thing happens in Eve

[Myyona]

Back on topic, I've heard that the same character (in the OOC sense of the term) will not be available in Dust. This would mean no shared wallet, no shared skillpoints, and hopefully no shared names.

This is the case. EVE and Dust players will share the same namespace in the database, because (iirc) Dust mercs will be able to join EVE corps.

Hm, I guess you are right that names have to be unique in both EVE and DUST as I for certain remember talk about wanting to join the two through EVE Gate.