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[Jade Constantine]

Maiden Steel 

Not the first time things have blown up in my face. Not the worst, either, and at least Atlanta isn't as bad a place to be unemployed in as Connecticut was.

OTOH, I can post on Backstage again and I'll shortly be back ingame pewing ur ships

Sorry to hear about the layoff and best of luck finding something good and new to do.
I feel a bit guilty that the last thing I sent you in your ccp ID was my contemnation of the NeX project!
Somebody was pretty cruel making that your last tast in CCP

[Kaldor Mintat]

Sorry about you loosing your job, Shae 

But will be nice seeing you around ingame again though 

[Robert Kauliford]

Linking to this here because Jester makes some good points (and he's apparently an alliance mate now): http://jestertrek.blogspot.com/2011/10/burn-rate.html

He basically summed up most of what I've been thinking. But I still think its helpful at times like these for those at the top to make a gesture.

I do hope CCP is helping people deal with this

[Myrhial Arkenath]

Maiden Steel 

Not the first time things have blown up in my face. Not the worst, either, and at least Atlanta isn't as bad a place to be unemployed in as Connecticut was.

OTOH, I can post on Backstage again and I'll shortly be back ingame pewing ur ships

You have only risen in my regards -- and you were like so high in them already -- that after being laid off by a company you dive right back into their product. /respect

[Shae Tiann]

Sorry to hear about the layoff and best of luck finding something good and new to do.
I feel a bit guilty that the last thing I sent you in your ccp ID was my contemnation of the NeX project!
Somebody was pretty cruel making that your last tast in CCP

Actually, all the crowdsourcing I did with CCP was entirely voluntary. Most was done from home after hours because I had too much to do during the work-day.

I had a word with Hilmar at the post-layoff pissup, and he wants to see the results from the last round of crowdsourcing re: the NeX stuff and Incarna.

The community's voice will be heard 

[Shae Tiann]

You have only risen in my regards -- and you were like so high in them already -- that after being laid off by a company you dive right back into their product. /respect

I applied to CCP because Eve and the people who play it mean a lot to me, and I only want to see the game get better (yes, even now). The hardest part for me was not being able to socialise with everyone ingame anymore 

[Jade Constantine]

Sorry to hear about the layoff and best of luck finding something good and new to do.
I feel a bit guilty that the last thing I sent you in your ccp ID was my contemnation of the NeX project!
Somebody was pretty cruel making that your last tast in CCP

Actually, all the crowdsourcing I did with CCP was entirely voluntary. Most was done from home after hours because I had too much to do during the work-day.

I had a word with Hilmar at the post-layoff pissup, and he wants to see the results from the last round of crowdsourcing re: the NeX stuff and Incarna.

The community's voice will be heard 

Good to know, and nice that the last bit of community-orientated work won't be wasted. You know being the person who helped put the knife through the ribs of the NeX monster will make you an urban legend in the Eve community forever

[Invelious]

Honestly, the people who should be most disappointed are the fans of the White Wolf games.

Most of that development company is now gone.

ughhhh, does that pretty much mean WoD is on hold and or finished and will not be released? Any word on whats happening with that game now?

[Victoria Stecker]

I think they said they'd keep working on WoD but with a much smaller staff (for now), so it's going to be really slow, it's anyone's guess if/when it'll be released.  Someone somewhere (maybe here) suggested that they might try to build it up a little and then sell the IP to recoup some of their investment.

[Silver Night]

A somewhat worrying development, and I think it'll take a while for us (the players) to see what the impact is on CCP's game design etc.

Also, really, really sucks for the people who got laid off. (Sorry to hear you were one of them, Shae - had wondered where you disappeared to.)

Sort of unfortunate that they are de-prioritizing Incarna. On the one hand, the way they were going about it it would probably only end up a weight around their neck. On the other, I can't help but think of all the potential it had in my head throughout the development process before they actually released it. 

[Senn Typhos]

Every time I come back to an MMO, something goes wrong the day before... >>

[Kaldor Mintat]

Every time I come back to an MMO, something goes wrong the day before... >>

I knew you where to blame!! Lets tar and feather him!!!

Welcome back, Senn 

[Vikarion]

One other thing I would note, incidentally, is that those calling for Hilmar to be canned seem to forget that one can't take a certain screw-up to be indicative of the capabilities of the man. Yes, he's made mistakes. On the other hand, he and others "at the top" have also done some fairly good work, including creating Eve, without which we would not be having this conversation.

Given that this is so - and letting knee-jerk criticisms of management profiting off the workers fall by there wayside where they belong - there is nonetheless the matter of this mistake costing workers their jobs. Shouldn't Hilmar and others, as the self-admitted responsible parties, share their fate?

Well, no. First, if you are the leader of any large organization, you will eventually make a mistake that hurts others in the organization. This is not just human fallibility at work, but also the human inability to predict the interactions of complex systems such as economies, player opinions, and competitors, among innumerable other factors which can dramatically change.

Second, provided that you have a person who can learn from their mistakes - and the fact that Hilmar has got this far seems to bear evidence to his being such a person - it is generally not wise to remove them after they have so learned. In removing them, you must by necessity replace them, and their replacement is likely to not have learned the same lessons. In addition to this, we should add in the fact that humans are not necessarily good at picking leaders or innovators.

This isn't exactly to defend Hilmar's mistakes. He has made mistakes, and, moreover, didn't realize them as soon as we might have hoped. Yet, I find myself irritated by the reflexive resort to vilifying "them", especially when I know that such vilification is often an overly simplistic portrayal of the situation.

Justice and fairness are certainly important. However, those virtues require us to understand the context in which decisions were made, the intentions involved, and the knowledge of those being criticized. Unreflective condemnation and calls for punishment are often counterproductive to true fairness.

[Faraelle Brightman]

Update on the status of the Community Team: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3005

tl;dr version: It's being moved from Atlanta to Iceland and merging with Customer Support, should have closer contact with devs, possible volunteer forum mod program being considered.

[GoGo Yubari]

Well...

I guess it seems that we - the vocal dissenters, protestors and unsubscribers - won after all (despite all the nay-sayers calling us trolls). It is a tragedy that the process couldn't happen without a lot of people losing their jobs, however. That is not cool, but then none of it really was.

Let's see what it all means in real terms in the end. I really hope they can salvage the game and alter course, for Eve Online and the company, even if right now I doubt I'll personally return again.