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[Mizhara]

I don't think anyone's saying that this kind of thing doesn't have a place in Eve. All evidence points to the exact opposite, after all. Cooperation and interaction across faction lines is all well and good, and something that's not only inevitable but perfectly understandable and even necessary.

The lament is the lack of anything else. You'd think that while there'd be the above kind of stuff going on, that there'd also be factional/political tensions, and projects and gathering places that do acknowledge that there actually are justifiable tensions and hostilities in Eve, and sets things up accordingly. Cooperation's cool and awesome... but you'd think there'd be some clicks on the dial between 'Oh Hell No! Lone Wolf Forevah!' and 'Let's invite errybody!'

[Seriphyn]

I'm with Miz on this one. Suddenly, characters that would have never had an interest in ancient technology otherwise, suddenly have an interest in it. Dropping allegiances and animosities to participate in an area of research that has been ongoing for several years now, to assist just one single scientist (what about our R&D agents?) of a relatively small corporation?

As far as I'm concerned, and wanting to maximize the IC/OOC divide, there should be no reason that our characters should suddenly have an interest in ancient technology just because a CCP dev-actor is involved.

Then again, I am incredibly jaded by this whole wanting to make a mark on the storyline thing. Even if Seriphyn should be the centrepoint of the Sansha incursion storylines in terms of his character, I get outrightly deafened by the sound of players (less so their characters) attempting to clamber over each other ruthlessly to leave their legacy in the fictional universe. All in all, looks fun, but as far as IC is concerned, why did all these characters suddenly get interested in ancient tech just because this random Caldari dude stated up some channel?*

*This is me attempting to encourage people to provide good IC justifications beyond the OOC desire to participate in a live event.

[Varlerian]

I'm with Miz on this one. Suddenly, characters that would have never had an interest in ancient technology otherwise, suddenly have an interest in it. Dropping allegiances and animosities to participate in an area of research that has been ongoing for several years now, to assist just one single scientist (what about our R&D agents?) of a relatively small corporation?

As far as I'm concerned, and wanting to maximize the IC/OOC divide, there should be no reason that our characters should suddenly have an interest in ancient technology just because a CCP dev-actor is involved.

Then again, I am incredibly jaded by this whole wanting to make a mark on the storyline thing. Even if Seriphyn should be the centrepoint of the Sansha incursion storylines in terms of his character, I get outrightly deafened by the sound of players (less so their characters) attempting to clamber over each other ruthlessly to leave their legacy in the fictional universe. All in all, looks fun, but as far as IC is concerned, why did all these characters suddenly get interested in ancient tech just because this random Caldari dude stated up some channel?*

*This is me attempting to encourage people to provide good IC justifications beyond the OOC desire to participate in a live event.

This.

[Louella Dougans]

Predictions:

Republic Admiral Balginia has encouraged Tukoss to leave the Republic, mentioning the Thukkers as an alternate location.
Tukoss eventually is pressured into moving his research team & fleet.
The fleet is exploded in low/null Thukker space, thereby ending this arc.
END

Hopes:

The above doesn't happen.

[Nmaro Makari]

I'm with Miz on this one. Suddenly, characters that would have never had an interest in ancient technology otherwise, suddenly have an interest in it. Dropping allegiances and animosities to participate in an area of research that has been ongoing for several years now, to assist just one single scientist (what about our R&D agents?) of a relatively small corporation?

As far as I'm concerned, and wanting to maximize the IC/OOC divide, there should be no reason that our characters should suddenly have an interest in ancient technology just because a CCP dev-actor is involved.

Then again, I am incredibly jaded by this whole wanting to make a mark on the storyline thing. Even if Seriphyn should be the centrepoint of the Sansha incursion storylines in terms of his character, I get outrightly deafened by the sound of players (less so their characters) attempting to clamber over each other ruthlessly to leave their legacy in the fictional universe. All in all, looks fun, but as far as IC is concerned, why did all these characters suddenly get interested in ancient tech just because this random Caldari dude stated up some channel?*

*This is me attempting to encourage people to provide good IC justifications beyond the OOC desire to participate in a live event.

Seri, you're not really offering many solutions. Eve is a game after all, so why shouldnt players try to leave their mark on it?

[John Revenent]

I'm with Miz on this one. Suddenly, characters that would have never had an interest in ancient technology otherwise, suddenly have an interest in it. Dropping allegiances and animosities to participate in an area of research that has been ongoing for several years now, to assist just one single scientist (what about our R&D agents?) of a relatively small corporation?

As far as I'm concerned, and wanting to maximize the IC/OOC divide, there should be no reason that our characters should suddenly have an interest in ancient technology just because a CCP dev-actor is involved.

Then again, I am incredibly jaded by this whole wanting to make a mark on the storyline thing. Even if Seriphyn should be the centrepoint of the Sansha incursion storylines in terms of his character, I get outrightly deafened by the sound of players (less so their characters) attempting to clamber over each other ruthlessly to leave their legacy in the fictional universe. All in all, looks fun, but as far as IC is concerned, why did all these characters suddenly get interested in ancient tech just because this random Caldari dude stated up some channel?*

*This is me attempting to encourage people to provide good IC justifications beyond the OOC desire to participate in a live event.

Agreed, I would love to be involved in the project but with the events that lead up to the arc leave me no choice but to be against the whole thing.

[Ember Vykos]

I'm with Miz on this one. Suddenly, characters that would have never had an interest in ancient technology otherwise, suddenly have an interest in it. Dropping allegiances and animosities to participate in an area of research that has been ongoing for several years now, to assist just one single scientist (what about our R&D agents?) of a relatively small corporation?

As far as I'm concerned, and wanting to maximize the IC/OOC divide, there should be no reason that our characters should suddenly have an interest in ancient technology just because a CCP dev-actor is involved.

Then again, I am incredibly jaded by this whole wanting to make a mark on the storyline thing. Even if Seriphyn should be the centrepoint of the Sansha incursion storylines in terms of his character, I get outrightly deafened by the sound of players (less so their characters) attempting to clamber over each other ruthlessly to leave their legacy in the fictional universe. All in all, looks fun, but as far as IC is concerned, why did all these characters suddenly get interested in ancient tech just because this random Caldari dude stated up some channel?*

*This is me attempting to encourage people to provide good IC justifications beyond the OOC desire to participate in a live event.

Seri, you're not really offering many solutions. Eve is a game after all, so why shouldnt players try to leave their mark on it?

I agree as well. I don't see a problem with people trying to leave their mark on the game, and at some point I hope I can slice out a little mark of my own. However, I won't try to make that mark doing something that my character wouldn't normally do or that goes against what she stands for. My main reason for staying out of this is that Simca has no real scientific interests, and doesn't think she would be useful.

[Kaleigh Doyle]

Lost interest in the research thing when, after being away 3-5 days, Nola had 80+ mails in her inbox for joining that mailing list. It's a cluster-fuck and I've got no idea what's going on, so good luck with that. 

[Katrina Oniseki]

Kat won't be participating in this because of I-RED's stance on the whole arrangement. there's other less than stellar rumors she's heard going around about some sort of ethics committee or some such. More IC reasons not to get involved. Besides, Kat has personally studied various sleeper artifacts alongside corp members while living inside a wormhole.

To her, she's taken a relatively neutral approach to it. Whether Ishukone discovers new tech or Eiyfer & Co do... everyone will have access to it eventually. That's all Katrina really cares about, that she will have access to the tech. One way or another, she will.

[Borza]

Totally agree on this which is why I find Eve roleplay to be pretty dull. Numbers (and secondly who you have befriended OOC) always seem to take precedence over quality immersion. Look at the roleplay bars for example which are frequented by many different factions who should really be cutting each others throats. Not to mention Angels flying with Gurista, Blood Raiders flying with so called pro-Amarrians, Caldari loyalists flying with Gallente loyalists etc etc.

If that happened, I'd honestly find RP to become vastly duller. Nine times in ten, a character is more than a blank slate wearing faction colours -- sure, sometimes one is just that and it can work well, but RP that is so faction-centric just doesn't interest me.

The unique darling little snowflake characters are at least as aggravating though.

Middle ground in between the extremes is best.

[Myyona]

I would really like to work on the Arek'Jaalan project and my characters are perfect for the setting too. They (I) have spend a lot of effort over years to explore into the background story of EVE and dig out the forgotten parts. Sadly, if there is one thing I have learned as a real world scientist it is that you should always make precautions to get recognition for the work you do, both to the effect of not being responsible for others misdoings or to let them take favorable credit for your work. I am not going to put time and effort into gathering and trying to put little pieces together into a greater picture under the supervision of a "lead" whose only effort was to write his name first in the brackets.

I am already spotting motions from certain "contributors" to simply provide Hilen with any item he might ask for and then wait for him to come up with the answers.

My personal hope is that Hilen is killed after having setup the base for this research project, so those interested in doing the science (and work) can continue while those participating only to boast their own ego can disappear.

Still, I am hoping to contribute to the evelopedia pages with some thought out connections. Though, with the current acceptance of any unscrupulous homicidal megalomaniac into the research group it is becoming difficulty to justify why my characters would participate.

P.s. I have an unscrupulous homicidal megalomaniac character too; he just does not do science.

[Victoria Stecker]

My personal hope is that Hilen is killed after having setup the base for this research project, so those interested in doing the science (and work) can continue while those participating only to boast their own ego can disappear.

Still, I am hoping to contribute to the evelopedia pages with some thought out connections. Though, with the current acceptance of any unscrupulous homicidal megalomaniac into the research group it is becoming difficulty to justify why my characters would participate.

P.s. I have an unscrupulous homicidal megalomaniac character too; he just does not do science.

Hilen dying after the project gets rolling would be amazing. If there weren't a million voices (and I hadn't recently started playing minecraft with some friends) I'd be much more active.

I did, however, have a thought about what CCP might be doing. Recall the PF-reaming debacle that was the Empyrean Age. In one of our recent talk-shit-about-TonyG threads (a couple months ago, i think) there were a few examples given of how to hit all of the major important events and results to get FW going without completely steamrolling the existing PF of the various empires (Heth's takeover, Zombie queen and superweapon, elder fleet).

Seems like CCP is trying to flesh out the WH story - so rather than pulling something out of a hat and seeing how it works, they're basically having the players write it for them. We'll bring them theories and ideas and they'll have a ton of stuff to pick through and decide what's "true." And every once in a while there will be a small datadump.

I thought the ethics committee was a cool idea (the interaction of ethics in science and engineering design and research is an interest of mine) but they kinda shot down any credibility it might have had when they picked the people to be on it.  Oops.

[Seriphyn]

Seems like CCP is trying to flesh out the WH story - so rather than pulling something out of a hat and seeing how it works, they're basically having the players write it for them. We'll bring them theories and ideas and they'll have a ton of stuff to pick through and decide what's "true." And every once in a while there will be a small datadump.

Excellent theory. I think you're right on this.

[Myyona]

Seems like CCP is trying to flesh out the WH story - so rather than pulling something out of a hat and seeing how it works, they're basically having the players write it for them. We'll bring them theories and ideas and they'll have a ton of stuff to pick through and decide what's "true." And every once in a while there will be a small datadump.

I certainly do not hope so as I would very much like this 'interactive storytelling' be a game where the players can solve/get an insight into a very well though out plot that has already been set in advance. Sort of like a mystery solving game within the EVE world.

Though, 'interactive storytelling' might also refer to people coming up with one crazy story after another with little to no regard for the current findings on Sleepers and Talocan (the current trend), and then CCP approving upon one and retconning all material to fit said story.

[Revan Neferis]

I thought the ethics committee was a cool idea (the interaction of ethics in science and engineering design and research is an interest of mine) but they kinda shot down any credibility it might have had when they picked the people to be on it.  Oops.

There is a very good reason for it and I'm sure the future developments will be proven most entertaining.
As for Revan's involvement in the Project, there is little doubts as why, although I do feel like its a spoiler to comment about it ooc.
Every character that is there carries their motivations which I believe its much more entertaining if we let the event progress and let the characters themselves reveal this to us.

All around, good event, a bit too predictable at start and in deep need of something boom to happen so it can stir the pot a little but the concept is valid and need to give credit to Hilen for trying to manage the chaos of mailing lists and over 60 capsuleers trying to scream at once in the main channel.
It's a bit impossible to know whats going on most of the times but I guess he is doing his best to make any sense of it.
We should have more actors helping him to deal the day to day chaos there.
Other than that, Good wiki too.
And yes I do hope Hilen gets killed! An assassination plot is highly entertaining at the way things are shaping.