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[Mizhara]

Have to admit, I lost IC and OoC interest in Arek'Jaalan once it became yet another 'Let's invite errybody!' thing with no real feeling of the political reality of New Eden. While I can understand the reasons, it just gets boring once you yet again see that any kind of faction/political tension gets thrown out of the window as soon as there's something interesting going on. Centralizing all RP activity in one big soup isn't conducive to deeper faction/political/cultural/racial exploration of characters and RP in general.

Don't get me wrong, I'm dancing on the rooftops and applauding the Hilen Tukoss player for his work on engaging the RP community and creating shit, but I'd much rather see more diverse and factionally exclusive stuff, even if it was less active than the Arek'Jaalan thing. Five actors doing different stuff at about a fifth of Hilen Tukoss' activity level would still be five times more awesome and conducive to RP than this one highly active but utterly bland... thing... that is completely void of politics and faction tension.

[Casiella]

I don't know all the characters in that channel, but I suspect many people simply don't have quite the IC emphasis on factional loyalty that Miz does.

[Mizhara]

Not the point I was making, but sure. Like I said, I don't mind it. I'm applauding Hilen Tukoss' player in this... but I'd just wish there were RP options and interactive storylines that allowed for factional identity and politics to be present.

[Victoria Stecker]

it's the first live event thing they've run in 6 months or so, iirc. And there's still probably a fairly strong anti-favoritism vibe going. I'm not really sure what they could have done differently - given the practical impossibility of trying to exclude anyone*, etc. And they did manage to get some folks from the State pretty torqued, so I'd call that a plus.

* Spies, etc. Try to keep the Sansha loyalists out and they'll just get their information from people who haven't been as public about their loyalty. The reality of dealing with capsuleers rather than 'real people.'

[Usagi Tsukino]

He actually wants to talk to Andreus about his... condition... in a private one-on-one chat. Never seen an actor do that before.

Did you see the video of the chat Dropbear and I forget his name but the other guy (the whole TWO people who make up the live events division of CCP) who are all the Sansha/CONCORD/Etc actors?

Atlanta isn't THAT far of a drive for me, and I really wanted to head there and mount both of them after I watched that. They really seemed to have a passion for it despite  being very 'meh' in general with the whole thing; mainly with the interaction between the players and them.

Even so much as playing out the whole 'Jove space' thing, which I initially facepalmed about.

Dropbear is on Twitter, and if you are, I'd make a point of following him and poking him about this from time to time. Personally, I think they'd be open to player created stuff, with, of course, slight nerfing. 

[Aodha Khan]

Have to admit, I lost IC and OoC interest in Arek'Jaalan once it became yet another 'Let's invite errybody!' thing with no real feeling of the political reality of New Eden. While I can understand the reasons, it just gets boring once you yet again see that any kind of faction/political tension gets thrown out of the window as soon as there's something interesting going on. Centralizing all RP activity in one big soup isn't conducive to deeper faction/political/cultural/racial exploration of characters and RP in general.

Totally agree on this which is why I find Eve roleplay to be pretty dull. Numbers (and secondly who you have befriended OOC) always seem to take precedence over quality immersion. Look at the roleplay bars for example which are frequented by many different factions who should really be cutting each others throats. Not to mention Angels flying with Gurista, Blood Raiders flying with so called pro-Amarrians, Caldari loyalists flying with Gallente loyalists etc etc.

[Kybernetes Moros]

Totally agree on this which is why I find Eve roleplay to be pretty dull. Numbers (and secondly who you have befriended OOC) always seem to take precedence over quality immersion. Look at the roleplay bars for example which are frequented by many different factions who should really be cutting each others throats. Not to mention Angels flying with Gurista, Blood Raiders flying with so called pro-Amarrians, Caldari loyalists flying with Gallente loyalists etc etc.

If that happened, I'd honestly find RP to become vastly duller. Nine times in ten, a character is more than a blank slate wearing faction colours -- sure, sometimes one is just that and it can work well, but RP that is so faction-centric just doesn't interest me.

Don't get me wrong; to string Kyber up as an example, I'm all for people arguing against his being involved in projects x, y or z. He is, very publically, a Toaster: it's a (usually thoroughly enjoyable) part of the RP associated therewith. It's just that if everyone were to stick to what you think they "really should" be doing, I'd lose interest in any factional RP so quickly that the thing'd probably go back in time (even if the faction in question had the largest, most diverse RP base in the game). 'course, the apolitical, factionless route is an interesting one in itself.

[Kemekk]

If that happened, I'd honestly find RP to become vastly duller. Nine times in ten, a character is more than a blank slate wearing faction colours -- sure, sometimes one is just that and it can work well, but RP that is so faction-centric just doesn't interest me.

Don't get me wrong; to string Kyber up as an example, I'm all for people arguing against his being involved in projects x, y or z. He is, very publically, a Toaster: it's a (usually thoroughly enjoyable) part of the RP associated therewith. It's just that if everyone were to stick to what you think they "really should" be doing, I'd lose interest in any factional RP so quickly that the thing'd probably go back in time (even if the faction in question had the largest, most diverse RP base in the game). 'course, the apolitical, factionless route is an interesting one in itself.

I feel the same way. The previous game I played had a lot of factional RP and it got boring fast, although the factions were more or less "good" and "evil", where EVE has a lot of different gray areas. I like the fact that in EVE, Kemekk can talk in the Summit with war targets and still have a polite conversation with people from other factions, but if it comes to it still try to shoot them down. RP gets rather stale when all the opposing factions have to say to each other is "you're wrong, I'm right, I'm going to kill you".

[Aodha Khan]

To be clear I was more talking about someone who is acting out a pro-State pilot for example suddenly working with enemies of the State when it suits them to do so (ISK, OOC friends, more fleets) while still claiming to be pro-State. The immersion is lost for me when people are so much all over the place you cannot see how they can claim to work for their faction when they are doing so much against their factions goals.

If you wish to live inside the grey area then that's fine if it makes it more interesting for you. No problems with that at all. I like factional boundaries because it creates nice conflicts which means war, the reason I play Eve.

[Louella Dougans]

Blood Raiders flying with so called pro-Amarrians.

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[Aodha Khan]

Blood Raiders flying with so called pro-Amarrians.

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[Louella Dougans]

I mean, that's a rather diametrically opposed thing, isn't it ?

[Kemekk]

To be clear I was more talking about someone who is acting out a pro-State pilot for example suddenly working with enemies of the State when it suits them to do so (ISK, OOC friends, more fleets) while still claiming to be pro-State. The immersion is lost for me when people are so much all over the place you cannot see how they can claim to work for their faction when they are doing so much against their factions goals.

If you wish to live inside the grey area then that's fine if it makes it more interesting for you. No problems with that at all. I like factional boundaries because it creates nice conflicts which means war, the reason I play Eve.

I agree with that. You won't see an ultranationalist like Kemekk working with enemies of the Empire.

[Laerise [PIE]]

If that happened, I'd honestly find RP to become vastly duller. Nine times in ten, a character is more than a blank slate wearing faction colours -- sure, sometimes one is just that and it can work well, but RP that is so faction-centric just doesn't interest me.

Don't get me wrong; to string Kyber up as an example, I'm all for people arguing against his being involved in projects x, y or z. He is, very publically, a Toaster: it's a (usually thoroughly enjoyable) part of the RP associated therewith. It's just that if everyone were to stick to what you think they "really should" be doing, I'd lose interest in any factional RP so quickly that the thing'd probably go back in time (even if the faction in question had the largest, most diverse RP base in the game). 'course, the apolitical, factionless route is an interesting one in itself.

I feel the same way. The previous game I played had a lot of factional RP and it got boring fast, although the factions were more or less "good" and "evil", where EVE has a lot of different gray areas. I like the fact that in EVE, Kemekk can talk in the Summit with war targets and still have a polite conversation with people from other factions, but if it comes to it still try to shoot them down. RP gets rather stale when all the opposing factions have to say to each other is "you're wrong, I'm right, I'm going to kill you".

I agree with you Kemekk, but that's not what Aodha was trying to point out I think.
Talking/writing to people on the IGS is one thing, partying with them in public areas is quite another.

[Victoria Stecker]

I agree with you Kemekk, but that's not what Aodha was trying to point out I think.
Talking/writing to people on the IGS is one thing, partying with them in public areas is quite another.

I kinda disagree, depending on the partying in question. My thinking being, "what's the harm?" I am not: working with the enemy, flying with the enemy, providing them with intel, etc. We're sharing a drink, having a chat, maybe even dancing. We'll still blow each other out of the sky in a heartbeat if we meet in space, what exactly is the issue?

I'm not saying that you should want to party with the enemy. They're the enemy, and if partying with them isn't your idea of a good time, then there's no reason to do it. But if hanging out with your political enemies is something you can enjoy, I don't see the harm in it. And if part of your goal is to try to convert them, then I can even see reason in favor of it - assuming it's something you want to do at all.