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[Crucifire]

Going with Seriphyn on this.

T-shirts and vests are one thing, and I know I've voiced my selfish desire to get other racial clothing on my character, but I really don't care to see "DarthWinkertoss666 the Brutor" wearing Amarrian robes and a Gallentean tattoo. It's already ironic enough to see their portrait with another race's background when you know they selected it for no good reason.

[Ghost Hunter]

I would prefer to see more 'Amarrian robes designed in Minmatar fashion' than Minmatar wearing Amarrian robes, to use the most visible example.

[Andreus Ixiris]

Only item of clothing? Andreus, did you miss my link to the Gallentean t-shirt, as well as the link to the faction default dolls?

Of what relevance are they?

So what if people wear Gallente Federation t-shirts? There are Caldari, Amarr and Minmatar members of the Federation.

[Casiella]

I think the issue here is that while roleplayers may not like restrictions on themselves because we know we'd handle their removal responsibly, 98% of the player population would not.

[Crucifire]

I think the issue here is that while roleplayers may not like restrictions on themselves because we know we'd handle their removal responsibly, 98% of the player population would not.

Very well put, thanks Cas.

[Mizhara]

It's an excellent justification, since it protects the immersion of the rest of us.

[Andreus Ixiris]

"Because people dress in odd clothing, it breaks my immersion of the game."

Like I said to Seriphyn, if your immersion is jarred by capsuleers wearing clothing that they think looks cool, you may have serious issues actually becoming immersed. Capsuleers are by definition an incredibly eccentric and strange subset of humanity who have enough money to literally do whatever the hell they want. The idea that the Amarr Empire lets you - yes, you, Mizhara, Ms. Kill The Empire, and you, Crucifire, Ms. True Slave - buy ships like the Apocalypse that are nothing less than symbols of Imperial majesty and faith but there's not a single tailor in the cluster who'd make you a robe if you wanted one?

I can buy a Tengu, without an exception the State's most advanced military warship, but I can't get a black bomber jacket?

Uh, what? No. That's what we in the trade call "moon logic".

[Katrina Oniseki]

what does that have to do with the moon? Serious question, I'm curious how the term came to be.

Anyways, for the first time in this thread, you've said something I agree with Andreus. It's odd that we can buy a Navy Issue Apocalypse and simultaneously have negative standings with the Amarr Empire (and be K.O.S. by their Navy).

Andreus, would you accept a compromise to where.. There is a pool of fairly non-racial specific clothing like what we have available now. (Let's face it.. anyone can wear a bomber jacket or a set of ornate robes) But there is also faction specific clothing, even bloodline specific clothing that you'd have to do something ingame to get those specific items. As someone in this thread said, travel to Venal to get some true Guristas style jackets from the NPC store out there or what have you.

[Saede Riordan]

If I had to guess, I'd think that bloodline / race / gender changes might eventually show up as MTs.

Good. I'll pay for that.
Honestly, I'm well aware I was stupid and shouldn't have listened to the minmaxers that told me to roll xyz bloodline or else and mocked any attempts I made to talk to RPers or roleplay. I know I fucked up. And if I could fix that without dumping all the time and effort I put into Nikita I would, in a heartbeat. If I could jut pour her skills into a matari character, or change her bloodline, I would, if I could put matari tattoos on her, I would. I'd pay for it.

[Myyona]

I am sorry, but it is pretty hard to argue against giving people the ability to wear any t-shirt of their preference when they can go out a commandeer a majestic battleship that symbolizes an empires might and power while being loathed by said empire due to killing thousands of its citizens.

I can fly a Bhalgorn in to the Amarr system and scare the crap out of the local population, but I cannot get long hair.

And yes, I would be nice if certain changes could only be done at certain places, but first step is to get CCP to even acknowledge that all of the free clothing options should somehow be available to all players.

The news item regarding Gallentean youth misusing Minmatar tattoos tells exactly what would happen when somebody uses a ceremonial "clothing" from another culture wrong.

[orange]

what does that have to do with the moon? Serious question, I'm curious how the term came to be

Lunacy, from the latin luna or moon.  Pre-modern medicine there was the common belief that mental inability was tied to the moon & lunar cycles.  Does that answer your question?

[Valdezi]

I was disappointed when  nerfed all the options that had become synonymous with the Intaki bloodlines - long hair for example.

Now Khanids can have long hair, but Intaki can't. Looking at the ILF member list many of the male characters have even gone dreadlocks, which is the only long hair option available, but makes the chars looks Matari to me.

So for mine, either give up options that are commensurate with what the established bloodline 'look' was, or open up the racial options.

[Esna Pitoojee]

Frankly, I don't find it terribly immersion-breaking to see, as someone put it, "DarthWinkertoss666 the Brutor" wearing Amarrian robes and a Gallentean tattoo". Some capsuleers (I tend to think of the nullseccers in particular, but a lot of empire dwellers too) are established to be batshit insane by the standards of baseliners or even the faction-loyal capsuleers. They are not prime examples of people attached to their roots. They are people who've taken the obscene wealth, lack of responsibility, and total detachment that can come with being a capsuleer, and ran with it, loosing their racial/bloodline/home identity in the process. Doing completely random, senseless, and taboo-breaking things is practically the hallmark of capsuleership.

With that said, I very much agree with Louella's early-on post that faction-related additions SHOULD be tied to racial space - even if only because it gives us more reason to undock, fly around, potentially be blown up, and all instead of just sitting in a station primping our 'toons.

[Laerise [PIE]]

Imo you should at least be locked into the racial "stereotype" when you first make your character - and then be able to dress anyway you like later on for Aurum. That way it makes sense - after all you were visiting a government funded university before, and I don't think you'd do too well if you had a mini tattoo while being in the Hedion University / if you were wearing 'marr robes while visiting your (compulsive!) classes on "The history of minmatar opression" in any republic uni.

Also, Andreus, take a chill pill. You are acting pretty immature and, ironically, completely against the dmocratic values you tend to hold up in other thread. 

[Lyn Farel]

For Aurum ? T_T

No way, either its everything locked (what I despise but definitely less than these microtransactions), either we can do as Louella says, get new racial clothes somewhere else racial related. With isk or for free.