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[BloodBird]

Here is something you might want to consider, Niki.

First and foremost, 99% of all EVE players play this game for entertainment value. Ergo, fun. If you are not having fun for any reason - your chosen RP avenue among them - you will have to re-evaluate what you play this game for and what you are willing to do and sacrifice to have as much fun as possible.

As you have stated, you want to have your cake and eat it too. You can't. It's made clear here, by you, that you either end up alienating the pro-Matari bunch or the Angel bunch or at worst, both. Trying to balance between both is not likely to work out, as it seems.

In other words, instead of biomassing Niki and leaving the game (thus NO angel RP fun for you, or any other RP for that matter) you will have to chose.

Sit down, spend a few days, perhaps a week, contemplating what you want the most. Then chose. Will Niki renounce the Cartel and seek redemption along with the Republicans or atl pro-Minmatar? Others have before, Silver Night, Ciarente (who happen to be the current CEO of an old and well-known Pro-Republic/Matari corp) and many others. Or perhaps, dismantling the Risen Angels if need be and joining Naraka directly as part of one of their corporations, and embracing the Angel life-style in full.

Whatever way you go you will likely, at least for the time being, lose out a few IC friends on whatever side you don't pick. But I'd hazard a guess it's alot better than biomassing Niki and walking away from everything. After all, you can always try to fix your EVE-fun today, and bio-mass Niki tomorrow.

The other alternative is to earn or set aside a bit more money and pay for a second account and having a foot in both camps, so to say. There really are better options than walking away from it all, some more accessible than others.

[Casiella]

Just like we players IRL, our characters can never be liked by everyone (nor even by everyone they'd wish). No point in trying to beat that.

As a side note: starting over with a new character can be tremendous fun. I have greatly enjoyed focusing on Iurnan to the point that I don't really miss Casiella (too much).

[Lyn Farel]

Well, as I said, playing between 2 factions (or more) is not an easy task. You will be shunned by both of the radical parts of them. But you can also get relations outside of your faction, which is often not the case a lot when you play a radical one or sometimes a simple conservative. If you play it well, I can assure you it is rewarding. I know it, my character is speaking with amarrians, mataris, gallenteans... And is also shunned by all their radicals. Us playing amarrian liberals are trying to reform the Empire from the inside, fighting against slavery as much as the freedom fighters are doing it, but on a different perspective with different means. We are shunned by the matari radicals because they do not want to admit that our characters are doing it, and this is what we usually expect from radicals when you come to propose different answers, even if they are working for similar goals. If you do it well you can generally get in good relations with the people just next to your position on the political roster (on both sides).

And I do think that you can definitly be a tribalist while being part of the Angels. Look at the IGS thread asking to people to explain what they thought tribalism was about. As much different answers as different characters involved. Miz IC point is valid, you harm the tribes by helping the Cartel. You can also help some tribes when helping the Cartel while you would harm them by helping the Republic destroying the Cartel, those tribes depending on its economy, help, dirty funding, black market, etc. The example presented above about the system invaded by the Cartel where the local population happily joined them (at first) is a proof of that. While still harming other tribes by supporting the cartel, they also help their own tribes. You can basically hate the standard republican tribe and work for a more outlaw tribe model. Tribal structures are totally independant of the political affiliation, be it Republic or Angel. It reminds me a roleplayer I like on the IGS, playing a thukker leader, just caring for his own people and tribe, and not giving the slighiest fuck about the rest of the cluster.

When you explain that Nikita mostly cares about Utopia, then it is totally legitimate for her to think that the Republic is the enemy. That the tribes supporting it are at least indirect enemies. Who said all the tribes were always all sugar between each other ? Remember the difficulties for the thukkers to get accepted, or even the starkmanir/nefantars. Remember the differences of ideologies between them. And also, the most important part : remember that in the core PF of old, the Matari people is described to be the most numerous of the cluster, AND that a lot of them live outside of the Republic, for a good part as shady wanderers (like ronins), unscrupulous people or pirates.

Or you can play a character that does not give a fuck about tribes, but cares enough for the matari people living in the Cartel (Utopia in particular) to fight for them.

[Casiella]

Thukker traditionalists shun the Republic despite what their leaders say, and some of them retain connections to the Cartel. Possible angle for you.

[Saede Riordan]

Thukker traditionalists shun the Republic despite what their leaders say, and some of them retain connections to the Cartel. Possible angle for you.

true, but there really aren't too many of them in the RP community.

[Casiella]

I think they just don't show up around here to much or call things out. Offhand, I can remember several... And then there's Misan.

[Aodha Khan]

This happened soon after the Blood Wars with Amarr.

http://www.eve-search.com/thread/217978/page/1

http://aodha.blogspot.com/

 

Not sure this will help but it's a path my character has been on for some time now. There is also a "Thukker" channel which has the occasional visitor.

Which reminds me, probably time I upgraded my blog. 

[Borza]

I don't think it's at all true that all Matari groups are pro-Republic, or even anti-Pirate. I know we only have nominal interest in such positions.
When the pirates are also slavers of course it's a different story.

[Saede Riordan]

I think the issue a bit is the blind hatred connected to slavery, when I'm fairly sure there are a lot of tribalists who would really not be opposed to enslaving Amarrians, or even members of the others tribes then their own.

[Mizhara]

I think the issue a bit is the blind hatred connected to slavery, when I'm fairly sure there are a lot of tribalists who would really not be opposed to enslaving Amarrians, or even members of the others tribes then their own.

I think that'd be far less than you think. The entire people having suffered greatly under the Amarr and later on harassed and raided by the Angels, struck by the Sansha and so on... culturally, Tribalists would be fairly uniform in despising slavery. Now, the actual activity levels would of course differ, where a lot of the population would just be against it in principle but largely ignoring the issue and instead going about their daily lives untouched by it. Still, when pushed on the issue, the great majority would be fairly hard against slavery considering the history, upbringing and continuous raids by Amarrians, Angels and now Sansha as well. These Sansha Incursions can't be under-estimated in how hard a resurgence of anti-slavery movements and ideology would be in the minds of the Tribes, as a direct result of this.

That there are exceptions? Certainly... but they'd still be exceptions and eyed askance by the rest. And even the exceptions would be practical enough to realize that for all the short-term gain of embracing slavery, even of enemies, would pale in comparison to pissing off the other clans and tribes. There's no real reason for any Matari/Tribal to embrace slavery when the consequences (especially how it's illegal in three out of four nations to begin with) would be so severe.

[Borza]

^ +1

It's not blind hatred if there are good reasons behind it.

[Shintoko Akahoshi]

Bloodbird said this, and I think it bears repeating. Eve is a game, and at the end of the day we all play it because we derive enjoyment out of it. Everything - everything - else in the game is merely a vehicle for that. This means that if you feel you have to change Nikita radically in order to have fun, do it. If you feel you need to retire Nikita and start over with a "pure" (whatever that means) Matari character in order to have fun, do it.

One thing you see a lot in RP is a static status quo. "We're playing the part of Matari who are opposed to slavery and like to shoot the Amarr". It's easy to do, it brings in lots of new players, and it's fun. The current Eve universe is not that static, though. You've got, for instance, Sanshas launching wormhole-based raids into empire space on a regular basis. That's a huge elephant in the room (in game mechanics aside). Who's to say that some people in the Cartel wouldn't feel that they need to work with other factions against this new threat? Or, alternately, they may decide that they should help fight these incursions in order to protect their customer base. Big threats often cause very diverse factions to come together. And that's always interesting.

But whatever you do, make sure you're doing it because it's bringing you fun.

[Saede Riordan]

Well let me put it this way:

I don't want to leave eve. Its honestly the only thing that keeps me from being completely miserable and hating myself. Rping is fun, and I don't want to stop.

My issue is this:
I don't want a pure matari character. I don't think I'd have fun with a pure matari character, I feel they'd get boring and stale and stop being fun to RP after a while. I'm having a lot of fun with Nikita, my issue is that playing her in the direction that I have fun in, means that I get a lot of flak IC and don't have many allies. And I get a lot of flak for OOCly as well, for trying to go in too many directions, as if, if I'm not purely one thing or another, I'm trying to do too much at once.

I want to play eve, I want to play Nikita, but I can't play Nikita and have fun playing her the way I want, if it means I have no friends and a huge pile of enemies.

[Mizhara]

Then if you don't have fun playing her the way you want, you don't want to play Nikita that way?
Do whatever you feel you have to, it's that simple. Sometimes you RP yourself into a corner (I've done that heavily and still can't figure a way out of it) but with Nikita you have quite a few options available to yourself. I do believe you're making one massive mistake though. You're mistaking a Matari character with some sort of 2D bland character. There is enormous depth and challenge in being a Matari character instead of a 'special' Angel Non-Slaver Outcast Matari thing that goes in all directions at once. You mistake consistency with the universe with blandness.

You can play however you want... but when you go 'special' you make enemies. It's your call whether or not it's worth it.

[Misan]

Thukker traditionalists shun the Republic despite what their leaders say, and some of them retain connections to the Cartel. Possible angle for you.

true, but there really aren't too many of them in the RP community.

I think they just don't show up around here to much or call things out. Offhand, I can remember several... And then there's Misan.

Nice to know I'm just an afterthought there Casi. There are a handful of Thukker that I know of that at least play, but lately my interactions with them have been limited to the Thukker channel in-game. As far as Misan and her corp (getting rolling again soon™): while I hadn't applied the traditionalist label to it...it does sort of fit. Can't really say for certain whether that angle would work out, but Misan will always at least hear what might be on offer.