Verone loves his penis. And others. Go have a chat to him.
Veto didn't even come to mind while I was writing this, because they are the usual "oh
they RP" pirate group. But yeah, I've seen their public forums, not to mention their chat. Very, uh,
Gallente.
Congratz on your first post. Shame I disagree on pretty much everything you said in it. But then again, I am horrifyingly biased. Allow me to answer you with ::oppinion:: - I hope you get back here and reply.
A lot of Low-Sec Pirates RP. If you ask them in local they'll probably hesitate and avoid saying yes because they don't want you to send them a private convo and put on your wizard hat and robe. Some of them are a bit embarrassed to say 'Yes I am a lolrper', or they don't think that what they do is the same sort of RP that the people who post here do. And their Corps are formed around Piracy First, above all else, and then comes the flavor and the RP, so ransoms and pew pew are foremost on their minds.
If you have to evade the question of 'do you RP' when asked because you consider it 'lolrp' then your not really RP'ing, far as I'm concerned, your just being an elitist ass. Allow me to explain.
You misunderstand me. They're not concerned about you roleplaying magical-pony pirates or "doin' it rong".
They're concerned that
they are too laissez faire in their in-game role play for the mainstream RPing community to interact meaningfully with them.
Lots of lowsec pirates have this idea that mainstream RPers are the
"Lo, and verily I did slay the mighty space whale with my blessed lasers!", while most pirates see
"Ok, jump to me...okay, cool down your guns and open up a convo for the ransom—recall your f***** drones, idiots!...okay, let him go, he paid..." as fully legitimate, in-character Dialogue. The idea that you might want to talk to him in fluent moonspeak is both intimidating and off-putting.
The misconceptions go both ways - it's not just that mainstream RPers don't see Pirates as non-RPers; Pirates have silly ideas about Mainstream RPers as well - I blame WoW, personally.
Add to that the fact that most pirate corps have at least a few members who do
not role play much, and the immersion factor is often lost in corp chat, so switching gears and talking to someone totally in-character can sometimes be awkward if it comes out of the blue.
I have been dealing with other things for nearly a year now so little action, but most the time when I hunt for pirates, I end up ganked by numbers considerably greater than myself or simply unable to find any kind of valid prey.
Welcome to Lowsec. It goes: Oblivious first-timer newbie < Inexperienced Solo Pirate < Inexperienced small gang < Experienced Solo Pirate < Experienced Gang < Militia/Pirate Blob < 0.0 Hotdrop Fleet.
Everyone hates it. But that's the regrettable way it's become in many parts of Lowsec.
The problem is that from an OOC pow, pirates are a nice flavorable addition to this game, if only there were a bit less of them of they had more intact spines, but that's just my oppinon.
Out of sheer habit, my mind replaced the word 'pirates' with 'militia'.
And yeah, Solo Piracy is a dying art.
So many solo people are just bait for a gang or a blob these days. Makes me a sad panda.
Now, that's pretty superficial RP, one might say. You might be right (you might be wrong). But so is 'Amarr Victor' in local, and yet CVA/Amarr Militia gets away with that as their most well-known in-game sign of RPing.
But some of the very Pirates you've cited in your post as being non-RPers are actually quite active Role Players. They don't RP in your public channels, because you're dirty Anti-Pirate Navy types. Who wants to talk to you?
CVA/Amarr get away with 'Amarr Victor' becasue that's just an iconic part of their very visible and understandable RP. They act as Amarrians, they speak like Amarrians, they do politics and actions like Amarrians and they mark victories with 'Amarr Victor' like Amarrians.
Pirates yells YARR because in our modern society piracy is glorified and given an image that says that betraying one's nation to become a cut-throat free-roaming criminal that murders, rapes and steals for shits and giggels is the top of freedom. And the YARR part about their speak is about as accurate in modern depiction as bone-horns are on Viking Helmets. (Bone horns on Viking helmets is bullshit, btw.)
I'm going to put the 'EVE is Millions of Years after losing contact with our society, and has worked its way back up from the stone age' argument right here. Who is to say that, between the language barriers of the four empires and its various peoples, pirates haven't developed a common catchphrase that identifies them to one-another as ship-ransoming career criminals?
That is actually my in-game rationalization, and I wrote a piece of fiction around it. If you say 'Yarr' in-game, people go "oh, you're a pirate then?".
Pirates yell Yarr as a warcry and as a victory cry. Open fire, yell YARR. Blow up ship, yell YARR. See a gatecamp, warp in to bust it/die in a fire, yell YARR. The fact that the word comes from a campy fictional character IRL means nothing in regards to in-game RP - and I point you toward RP Gallente society's grasp of 21st-Century French, and the Amarr using traditional Latin as my evidence.
It's not something you need to 'get away with', as such. It's part of what pirates do, out of meme and habit
...Much like Amarr Victor is meme. Even U'K's "We come for our people" has become a meme carried by non U'K people. Which is kind of annoying, actually.
Pyton cartel sound like most pirates I ever met. Please expain to me how that can be qualified as 'RP' – as in my understanding constant e-peen stroking and foul-mothery to their victims don't constitute much RP.
Because it's consistent, and they rationalize their mundane, internet-troll love of the cock with in-character religious rituals when dealing with outsiders. That's literally 95% of what separates the 'hai hottie u wanna cyber?' crowd from the 'I'm in a Role-Play Relationship' people.
They don't have your 'RPing on comms erryday' policies, but they love evolving their background stories, RPing with one another via their forums or their blogs, and translating in-game events into a lore-backed context. Next time you talk to the Bastards, or the Tuskers, or [SCONE], or any other pirate gang for that matter, ask if their ransom totals have allowed them to upgrade their meeting rooms from an empty cargo container to a high-rise conference room with a view yet. Maybe they'll actually RP back in a way you recognize.
Ta.
So, they have fun in their communities, sounds good for them, as it's mostly what other RP'ers do to. And yet many of us manage to meet in places like this or do things together or have IC convos and situations going down in space.
Yep. They tend to stay within their own regional career criminal rp circles. Those who don't have any RP affiliation with an NPC faction (which is most of them) rarely talk to Faction Pirate RPers (well, unless they're next-door neighbors). It's a matter of being able to relate to other people's Role Played characters and situations. What would
you talk about with them in one of their channels? Talk about how they're all subhuman societal debris? They'll end up either mocking you for being a law-abiding, soft-bellied sheep or kicking you from the channel for being rude, much like you would hang up on an incredibly rude person in real life.
Or wait - I may have read that wrong. Are you complaining that they aren't in your Summit channels and your Space Bars, talking about current events? O_o
Heck, to most of us, anything In-game is totally IC. I don't see why 'pirate RP' have to be different,
See, that's the thing. It isn't.
They don't just role play pirates. They
are pirates. It's their way of playing the game, right from the moment they hit Undock to the second they lock up your ship to moment they list their loot for sale back in station.
When they convo you and demand 70 mil or your ship gets it, that's
both IC and OOC, because they ransom you for both the RP reason of
"Yarr, I'm a pirate, an outlaw, I'm poorer than you, and this is how I make my living. Your money or your life!" and the OOC reason of
"yo, I'm not blowing up your ship for the KM because ransom ISK makes up somewhere between 35-60% of my character's weekly ISK income, and I find missioning/ratting/mining etc boring, so give me the money plz and I'll let you go".
It's as much an OOC business model as it is their personal storyline.
The problem is that from an OOC pow, pirates are a nice flavorable addition to this game, if only there were a bit less of them of they had more intact spines... and all the rest? Brats. All of them. Smack-talking pricks, if their standard banter is to be taken at face value.
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The impression I got from pirates is not that they are pirates for the sake of the 'I'm a pirate' RP it's mostly for the 'I can shoot anyone I wish and to hell with the consequenses, bring on the kill-mails' situation. As explained above over the years the majority of pirates I've met have proven to be on the bottom-tier of desency as humans go, from what I've seen.
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I've never seen what you talk about. Hardly ever met solo pirates, and even when I think they are solo, I'm in an unsuitable ship. Latest event was a Pirate hurricane hunting in my pipe. I grabbed my Cane and went out to see if I found myself a 1vs1. He ran for it. As I figured he would.
I've never met a pirate I knew or could see was poor, barring a few noob pirate-wannabes YEARS ago, who flew their crusiers around solo looking for trouble. There are none of them around these days. I've only met a couple notable pirates who were, surprizingly, civil. Rest? I-won smack, you-won-you-bastard smack or don't-run smack.
You'll have to excuse me if I don't bother responding to that.
My "most low-sec pirates are not RPers as such" was not meant to put down pirates in the game. I OOCly love the fact that there are pirates, and I respect many long-term pirate corps (some of which I mentioned by name there) for doing their thing faithfully to the image they want to portray of themselves, etc. Like you say, that sort of stuff can be seen as sort of RP. I think it was some CCP guy who said that in EVE, if you undock, you basically cannot avoid being part of EVE RP. I agree with that sentiment.
My point was exactly this: for my RP, the low sec pirates do all the things that are relevant. They think of themselves as pirates, they respond to anti-pirate patrols as pirates would, they negotiate in corp diplomacy as a pirate would, they sometimes do stuff that does not make complete efficiency sense out of a concept of "pirate honor", etc. Whether they "roleplay" a pirate in some deeper sense is irrelevant to my RP, and excluding them from my IC talks with corp members because "they are not proper RPers" would be just stupid.
So I think we agree on the matter, actually. 
Aha, I now see your original post in a different light.
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