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Saede Riordan

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[Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« on: 01 Nov 2010, 11:01 »

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oh now that was just plain awesome.

also, Seri's gonna cream himself when he reads that.

also, "that hellish thing" is the Caldari methods of torture machine, C/D?

also, the suits were maybe Dominations?

also, the artwork for this great, its good to know that the sort of mining outposts I wrote as existing on Utopia III actually exist.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #1 on: 01 Nov 2010, 11:39 »

The mention of archaea caught my attention, and now it's burning a hole in it. Coupled with what we know about Jovians' methods of ship-building... bacteria that affect metal? Yes please.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #2 on: 01 Nov 2010, 12:07 »

The question comes is if its a naturally occurring microorganism or some old remains of the old Jovian Empire that was floating through space.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #3 on: 01 Nov 2010, 12:12 »

What do you see that links the MiBs to the Dominations (or to the Cartel in general)?
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #4 on: 01 Nov 2010, 12:27 »

What do you see that links the MiBs to the Dominations (or to the Cartel in general)?
I'm assuming this:

1. Mention of Sansha, and
2. Mention of "giving information to competitors".

Sansha, Angels, competitors... it was a thought that crossed my mind as well.

Also, the name of the chronicle was was fascinating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers

I wonder if that is significant, or merely interesting.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #5 on: 01 Nov 2010, 12:36 »

Given that CCP Abraxas (Hjalti) wrote the chronicle, I'd surmise that it has significance of some sort.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #6 on: 01 Nov 2010, 12:48 »

What do you see that links the MiBs to the Dominations (or to the Cartel in general)?
I'm assuming this:

1. Mention of Sansha, and
2. Mention of "giving information to competitors".

Sansha, Angels, competitors... it was a thought that crossed my mind as well.

Also, the name of the chronicle was was fascinating.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_Fathers

I wonder if that is significant, or merely interesting.

also the location, its nullsec south, fairly close to Sansha space but clearly not actually in Sansha space. So that would mean...angels.

could also be working for a capsuleer though. we'll see.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #7 on: 01 Nov 2010, 12:52 »

The question comes is if its a naturally occurring microorganism or some old remains of the old Jovian Empire that was floating through space.
Why does it have to be either/or?  :bear:
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #8 on: 01 Nov 2010, 13:18 »

So... hanging long-limbs, furriers, and now these little buggers... who says there are no aliens in Eve.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #9 on: 01 Nov 2010, 14:10 »

There's no other sentient life in Eve, the devs have previously made that pretty clear, and in my opinion that's a good thing.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #10 on: 01 Nov 2010, 14:17 »

The question comes is if its a naturally occurring microorganism or some old remains of the old Jovian Empire that was floating through space.
Why does it have to be either/or?  :bear:

If it's both it would open an interesting history route along the Jovian's technical development.

I would be inclined to think the masters of information would keep such naturally occuring specimens far away from contemporary reach.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #11 on: 01 Nov 2010, 20:20 »

If it's both it would open an interesting history route along the Jovian's technical development.

I would be inclined to think the masters of information would keep such naturally occuring specimens far away from contemporary reach.
Well, something did bring about the end of multiple Jove Empires.  The Rogue Drones are building Jove-like structures, Sansha (apparently) has a Jove battle station, and The Burning Life talks about grown Jove structures...

...just saying it's rather intriguing.
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #12 on: 02 Nov 2010, 07:54 »

also, Seri's gonna cream himself when he reads that.

Where? I don't see it!!  :(
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #13 on: 06 Nov 2010, 12:59 »

The mention of archaea caught my attention, and now it's burning a hole in it. Coupled with what we know about Jovians' methods of ship-building... bacteria that affect metal? Yes please.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea#Significance_in_technology_and_industry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaea#Mutualism

So Istvaan, how much do you know about Rogue Drones and Sleepers?
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Re: [Chronicle] The Desert Fathers
« Reply #14 on: 06 Nov 2010, 16:56 »

I've never stepped very deeply into the Sleeper/Sansha storyline, but I have a theory that I'd like to put forward in light of Random's comment and links.  This may have been articulated before, but as I said, I haven't really followed things closely.

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Rogue drones, sleepers, Sansha, and the Jove act like the elements of an adaptive immune system.  As a whole, they seem to treat hostility itself as a disease or cancer to be eradicated from the body of humanity.

This immune system was relatively dormant for the first few years of the Empyrean Age, but was watching closely everything that happened in YC110 (to include what happened with the Insorum the drones were protecting for Shakor) and it just got fed up (remember how disappointed the Jove were when the Caldari and Gallente turned out to still harbor "primitive" warlike tendencies).  So over several months they put together their little multidimensional door-breaching operation with isogen-5 (i.e. pixie dust/red matter) bombs planted around key gravity anchors in k-space and w-space (like Seylinn).  When those blew, they switched on the full immune reaction sequence by waking up the sleepers (the long-lived memory cells of the system) and giving them a link to k-space (opening up the lymph nodes).  The rogue drones play the role of helper T cells and B cells and are now working with the sleepers and Jove to propagate a new clutch of killer T cells or antibodies in the form of the resurgent Sansha menace.

In this metaphor, the "uplifted" millions are immunized cells.  The trembling masses of the cluster, driven to terrific fear of increasing Sansha incursions, actually constitute the body to be saved by this system.

Capsuleers and resistant conventional forces are viruses or cancerous cells that must be eliminated.

And somewhere in w-space there's some drone/sleeper/Sansha/Jove Übermensch musing thus as he considers the state of New Eden:
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I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal in this cluster instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism in this universe that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this cluster. You're a plague and we are the cure.
The ultimate question that this theorizing leads me to is whether the disease is conventional (and the immune system is doing a good thing) or if it is in fact an autoimmune condition and the system meant to save the body is actually tearing it apart.

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EDIT: I posted before really thinking about whether this was fully applicable to the thread.  This post could definitely derail the discussion, which is supposed to be about the chron.  If mods would like to split it, that's cool.
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