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[Saede Riordan]

Everyone please re-read the FAQ. It's linked at the top of every page on this site. I don't want this thread to descend into anarchy and end up with a lock, because that almost always represents a failure for all of us as a community.

sorry

[Myrhial Arkenath]

The problem with the whole thing, in my opinion, is that roleplaying sexual themes is so often simply cybering, or an excuse for doing so. I must not be the only one who's seen that time and time before in various mmo's. So when you want to roleplay this properly you are dealing with a lot of people with a biased view right from the start.

And then there is also those who have a boy/girl friend or spouse and really just want to avoid gaming in an environment that could get them in trouble. Not everyone is that understanding.

Lastly, I must say it gets a little bit silly when you open a few random bio's in an RP channel and see (alt) characters that often hardly show any involvement in RP -- like a bio -- beyond a rich and detailed explanation of their sexuality. And it seems to be all they do and talk about as well. Sure, you can have capsuleers who are sex addicts, but this example makes me rather think the player is. Or well, you know, it is compensation.

[Aodha Khan]

Anyway, in a nutshell, people are going to wonder "This is a rich, detailed universe with plenty of fiction and storyline...of all the places from the backstory to make an RP channel from, and RP in, why are people RPing D/s?"

stuff like that.

Why not?

People RP killers, drug dealers, religious zealots, criminals etc etc. What's so different about this?

I think this sort of thing adds flavour to our dark Eve universe. Most of the roleplay I see in Eve is pretty stale from what I see on IGS and other IC channels. Well done Nikita for breaking out of the box. :-)

[Aodha Khan]

The problem with the whole thing, in my opinion, is that roleplaying sexual themes is so often simply cybering, or an excuse for doing so. I must not be the only one who's seen that time and time before in various mmo's. So when you want to roleplay this properly you are dealing with a lot of people with a biased view right from the start.

And then there is also those who have a boy/girl friend or spouse and really just want to avoid gaming in an environment that could get them in trouble. Not everyone is that understanding.

Roleplaying sexuality is cybering? I really don't see what point your making here. If someone wants to roleplay a sexual situation then what else can they do. Whatever you want to call it doesn't really matter as it's still roleplaying at the end of the day.

And if you want to avoid those situations then don't go to bars with hookers. It works same in real life too.  

[Z.Sinraali]

It's an answer to the question posed at the outset of this thread, Aodha. Namely, "What is the issue with ingame Prostitution?"

It's all well and good to advise avoiding the things one doesn't like, but it is not relevant when the question of why one dislikes them is explicitly presented.

[Aodha Khan]

So in your opinion this thread is just about about having issues with in-game matters and not how to solve those issues or to improve them or take them to a level of acceptability?

If this was the case then whats the point discussing anything here if it's only to tell everyone what we dont like about the subject at hand. I don't see your methods of discussion as being very constructive at all in this matter.

Myrhial made a point about peoples spouses/partners may not like it because they dont want to be gaming in an environment where this was a possible temptation. If thats the case then why allow your partner to be online at all. The internet has far worse content than anything that ever happened in Eve. My answer is clearly relevant to the topc.

[Seriphyn]

I'm going to get even more blunt and crude and say, how many of folks who engage in ERP get off to it?

The answer is that it is not just males, but females as well. This just ends up being cyb0rs, to me, and why it can get in the way of relationships...as I've mentioned elsewhere, I just wasn't comfortable with the woman I'd been in the process of forming a relationship with, ERPing with others, with the sort of knowledge that the guys she's engaging with may just very well be fapping behind the computer screen...that was one of the contributing factors to its explosive end, which you can read about elsewhere. That's a different discussion, but RP adds characterization, contributes to the ongoing story, and develops interaction. As soon as you begin ERPing, all that sort of RP in 'getting to know each others characters' disappear...it is just literally an exchange of sultry lines that are ultimately forgettable when you compare it to RPing, say, how a character is dealing with a loss, and how the other character helps them.

Anyway, the original issue, in bullet points...

- The hooker channel scares people off
- This is not great for leaving a good taste in people's mouths regarding their impression of the EVE RP community ("It's just full of kinksters")
- Therefore, it might be appropriate to market that channel as a 'niche, 18+' channel, and not bother to invite new RPers or what have you, only people who know what it is.

I mean I am a massive PF whore, considering the faction I RP has the least amount, I have to scrape the barrel for anything I can get...as such, my sort of issue in the back of my mind is that the channel isn't an "EVE RP" channel, but is simply a "pure RP" channel. Nothing really wrong with that, though.

But, I will say the whole "capsuleer slaves" business is a bit...well, considering CONCORD has slaves illegal, and we are all CONCORD-registered...

The core matter is that it is just offending other people's sense of immersion and believability.

[Kazzzi]

As soon as you begin ERPing, all that sort of RP in 'getting to know each others characters' disappear...

When I hook up irl, as soon as I start to sex a chica, the last thing I'm concerned with is how I got to know her.

[Z.Sinraali]

So in your opinion this thread is just about about having issues with in-game matters and not how to solve those issues or to improve them or take them to a level of acceptability?

If this was the case then whats the point discussing anything here if it's only to tell everyone what we dont like about the subject at hand. I don't see your methods of discussion as being very constructive at all in this matter.

Myrhial made a point about peoples spouses/partners may not like it because they dont want to be gaming in an environment where this was a possible temptation. If thats the case then why allow your partner to be online at all. The internet has far worse content than anything that ever happened in Eve. My answer is clearly relevant to the topc.

Fair point. Certainly it's relevant to the topic as a standalone, and the thread can include discussion about solving problems. However, it started out with Nikita asking why people take issue with this type of roleplaying. Myrhial's post seemed to me aimed solely at answering that. Posting 'ignore it' as what appeared to be a rebuttal to that is what I take issue with. If you weren't directing that at her specifically to that end, I apologize for misunderstanding.

Ignoring/avoiding something doesn't solve or improve it. It merely prevents it from arising. (One could fairly hold the belief that that is solving or improving it, so I realize this is a hopelessly meta semantics dispute. See following paragraph for why I think it's still worth posting.)

I'm not really sure this is an issue that can be solved or improved, ultimately. Sometimes understanding the best you can do. However, understanding is constructive in the sense that it tends to reduce destruction.

[Casiella]

I can understand, certainly, Myrhial's point. Really, it's an explanation of what others have mentioned before: it makes them feel "icky" OOCly. I respect that.

What I still don't understand is why it bothers someone when other people practice such things. We're talking about a channel that's not heavily marketed or publicized, though what little it does have should probably have some sort of warning attached.

Seri: CONCORD clearly doesn't deal with slave trading, particularly since the Amarrian Empire is one of the major members (and in fact one of the most powerful of the five member states). That's an issue left to individual factions.

[Myrhial Arkenath]

The problem with the whole thing, in my opinion, is that roleplaying sexual themes is so often simply cybering, or an excuse for doing so. I must not be the only one who's seen that time and time before in various mmo's. So when you want to roleplay this properly you are dealing with a lot of people with a biased view right from the start.

And then there is also those who have a boy/girl friend or spouse and really just want to avoid gaming in an environment that could get them in trouble. Not everyone is that understanding.

Roleplaying sexuality is cybering? I really don't see what point your making here. If someone wants to roleplay a sexual situation then what else can they do. Whatever you want to call it doesn't really matter as it's still roleplaying at the end of the day.

And if you want to avoid those situations then don't go to bars with hookers. It works same in real life too. 

I said it often is, not always, thus if you want to do it -without- it being cybering you have biased opposition to deal with. It was indeed an answer to the question, didn't read through the whole thread till afterwards. As for my personal opinion, do what you want in places where it belongs.

As for avoiding situations, sure you can do that. It's also what I do, but then I see these obvious cyber alts in the skyhook. I won't kick them for just being there, but on the other hand if a new person joins the channel and sees all those bios they might get the wrong idea and leave. Which would be ironic, because the skyhook is a bar without dancers.

[Kazzzi]

So what if people enjoy having internet sexytime. You are allowed to have fun in EVE.

If it somehow becomes a problem, you can deal with it in game in an IC fashion. Even in dirty skank hooker bars, in game and irl, common courtesy still prevails. People don't usually do it right out in the open, and if they do, the madam/bouncer/mama-san or whatever usually deals with it quickly.

I think some people in this community who have issues with this stuff just need to get laid (in-game). 

[Myrhial Arkenath]

I think some people in this community who have issues with this stuff just need to get laid (in-game). 

Ironically enough some that participate in cyber are not getting laid. Which is why I call it interactive porn. Nothing wrong with that, do as you please behind closed doors.

[Casiella]

Please don't generalize, particularly in an insulting way.

And that's an inaccurate generalization in any case.

[Myrhial Arkenath]

Hmm, perhaps a bit too generalized. Fixed previous post.