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[K_Wiroshoda]

Hello,

I have noticed that, bar at most two IGS characters (that I can count), there is a complete and utter lack of accounting for the "tens of thousands" of the Federation member states in IC discussions within EVE RP. This comes despite the very large article on the topic available on EVElopedia.

Is there a reason for this? The opportunity to portray the Federation as a nebulous faction is not being seized, and prevents some interesting RP dynamics from being pursued. How many Gallente member governments are actually against the war? How many are pro-Caldari yet still pro-Federation? If the article is to be believed, a Gallente member state can contract anyone they want. How would the Federation, and indeed other member states, react to a member state contracting a Caldari megacorporation for whatever purposes? An Amarr corporation? What are the positions of member states composed primarily of ethnic Caldari?

It is unfortunate, because for the faction that is supposedly the most diverse, it is being portrayed as the least by RPers. The Caldari State can be said to have 8 factions within it. My own guess would be that the Caldari State have their factions represented in-game via the presence of NPC Corporations. The Gallente Federation does not have this benefit. I think it is a shame because there is much opportunity here to explore the complex relationship between the two groups.

I was hoping to have the previous enshrined in this very character, as a Caldari State diplomat (megacorp undecided!) who deals with Gallente member states. However, I have been reluctant to commit to this idea because the 'member state' angle of the Federation does not seem a popular one.

Kaane.

[Lyn Farel]

Yes, that's a little sad.

However we already saw what can happen when a member states contracts its S&S franchise to a Caldari mega : Intaki S&S to Ishukone. A big fucking mess when coupled with FW and militias.

[BloodBird]

Hello,

I have noticed that, bar at most two IGS characters

I know of Seriphyn, but who is the other toon that accounts the Fed's member-nations/States? (Not clear on what term is accurate here.)

[Gesakaarin]

I think the issue stems from the fact that in Eve RP, it seems more prevalent to identify along lines such as Federation, State, Republic, Empire than the constituent elements of Member State, Megacorporation, Tribe, and House.

I'd say it's more to do with having relevant information and updates about those elements since most of the background and news revolves around what a faction is doing in general but there's less known about what's actually occurring internally within that faction.

[Sepherim]

Indeed, it's a pity. But you'd basically have to make the whole faction up, which would then be complicated to get approved by other playes who don't know of it, etc. Not to mention the monolithic view of factions that followed TEA and FW.

[Bong-cha Jones]

The Gallente faction is diverse.  It's just not a diversity that is largely rooted in the baseliner blocs.  We tend (and it's often argued that it's to our detriment) to form groups around ideological causes.  Or economic ones, sometimes.

I will say, for myself, that the article on signatories was quite gratifying, as I've always played that Intaki has multiple signatories on the homeworld and that the Assembly is less Parliament and more United Nations.  In fact (spoiler alert), a lot of the times that Simon has traded body blows with the ILF on the forums, it's been motivated by a lot of the perceived interplay between his home, a small signatory, and the larger, homogenizing bloc of Intaki polities.

[K_Wiroshoda]

I know of Seriphyn, but who is the other toon that accounts the Fed's member-nations/States? (Not clear on what term is accurate here.)

Yourself, actually.

I'd say it's more to do with having relevant information and updates about those elements since most of the background and news revolves around what a faction is doing in general but there's less known about what's actually occurring internally within that faction.

Indeed, it's a pity. But you'd basically have to make the whole faction up, which would then be complicated to get approved by other playes who don't know of it, etc. Not to mention the monolithic view of factions that followed TEA and FW.

I think this captures the issue. In another thread in this very forum, I noticed a post (can't recall by whom exactly) that did not support the idea of having a Caldari RP Corporation for every Bloc, as the RP community is not large enough to support that route. I feel that is another issue, the current number of RPers versus the upper limit of RPable blocs.

[Vieve]

Indeed, it's a pity. But you'd basically have to make the whole faction up, which would then be complicated to get approved by other playes who don't know of it, etc. Not to mention the monolithic view of factions that followed TEA and FW.

'Complicated' is a good way to put that.

Celeste is a Miesian Nativist (and, as time has passed, has aligned with the pro-Callanais camp) but nobody'll ever see her openly espousing those political views on IGS ... 'cause I'm just too freaking lazy to explain them.

[BloodBird]

I know of Seriphyn, but who is the other toon that accounts the Fed's member-nations/States? (Not clear on what term is accurate here.)

Yourself, actually.

Rather sad to hear that tbh. IIRC all I've done is make mention that the Fed even has member-states, and it's not much beyond that. I had hoped you would mention someone I have not heard or noticed yet and there would be more than... the two of us.

Oh well, as mentioned, the issue is a little complicated - frankly all the untapped RP potential regarding the Fed and it's various states will continue to be untapped until people feel an interest in dealing with them, so far it seems Seriphyn is the only one to bother. Much the same can be said for all other RP avenues, such as Ammatar loyalism, dissident Matari with bad marks (iirc there was a whole corp set up to deal in that avenue but I can't recall how well it went or how active they are.) and there are a host of others. Some RP avenues such a pro-Caldari-State, Pro-Minmatar, anti-Imperial freedom fighters etc. are doing really well, as far as I can see, but it's ultimately due to people being interested in dealing in that.

I'm not sure what to do to change this, and now I'm not sure where I was going with this so I'll leave it here for now - and hope that any derailment I might spawn can be taken to another tread

[Lyn Farel]

Kindred of Scarecrows, corp of alts. But since Ken has disappeared I guess the corp went more or less dormant.