A has a memory chip. It is recovered. A claims that it is the truth.
But what if it had been modified? What if it is not the right chip ? Is it 100% immune to tampering? Oh really? Even when B and C hire the ~best data hackers in new eden~ to modify the contents, hmm?
Cool, then that's happened, and A thinks something is true that isn't.
At the end of the day, it really comes down to people agreeing with each other out of character. In any sort of scenario that happens like this, the parties involved have to be okay with it, and if not, why are they putting their character in a position where it could happen in the first place? Plenty of character's don't even have softclones, and just use prudence to avoid untimely demise out of pod. It really comes down to the parties involved being in alignment OOCly in the first place, and if not, avoid RPing with those people or putting your character in a situation where this sort of thing could happen. Saede's only been killed out of pod once, to my knowledge, and she lost all the memories she had going into that event, the body wasn't recoverable, and that was that. Sure I could have tried to apply some handwavium about remote transmissions or somesuch, or made a big deal out of it happening, but why would I want to? What does it accomplish really to start fights like that OOC? Better to stay on good terms with people OOC and agree going into a situation like that how its going to resolve itself.
=> Can it be stored into a device ? Probably, since Zainou's CEO did more or less that, and lives inside a machine.
=> However, can the brain pattern/data itself "freeze", in the sense stopping to function like when you shut down a hard drive ? Does it work like non-volatile memory that you can pause/freeze/shutdown/reload at will, or does it work more like volatile memory (RAM like) where it has to continue functioning at the risk of dying otherwise ? Can a brain pattern keep its integrity by meeting discontinuous states of data ?
The way I've always viewed it in light of softclones, (which the text Synthia posted in topic confirms existed) that there is a form of non-volatile memory, but that using the data generated by the non-volatile memory to 'emulate' the brain outside of someone's head is extremely difficult and is something that only Zainou (and the sleepers) can do.
=> Leading to the question that in Eve PF, the only clear fact on cloning is that memory data transfer occurs instantly without any cut or break of continuity of the brain pattern (cf capsule hardcloning and neural burner or dust live cloning). As PF revolving around hypothetical soft clone is vague and contradictory, there is no certainty that discontinuity of living memory storage is possible, as soft cloning implies that the copied memory is stored somewhere and has to wait for the host body (and its original memory) to die before being activated.
I disagree, I think the reason that the stored memory can't be activated before the original dies has nothing to do with technical capabilities and everything to do with concord saying 'there can only be one of you running around, don't do that'.
=> However considering the case of Zainou's CEO, it is perfectly possible to imagine that such data storage / transfer of a brain pattern is possible as long as there is no discontinuity involved. Which means in your case, that the memory of someone would be copied into that implant at some point and would continue to live into that implant before being retrieved and transferred into a new body. Which starts to be rather grim.
Possible. This is the 'Eclipse Phase' perspective, which is that the implant can outright emulate the brain and have the mind continue running on the implant. I disagree and take the 'Pandora's Star' perspective, that the implant is just memory storage. Audio/video and maybe, maybe some other senses. The reason I take that perspective, is because I assume that the Zainou tech being used to emulate Todo's brain and allowing him to exist as a person on a computer is likely fabulously complicated and probably takes some extremely high end supercomputing technology. Not something you could stuff into an implant.
=> Also, considering that PF also states that not only mere transfer of memory is possible but also copy/pasting allowing several clones of the same individual to roam around at the same time, it is perfectly possible to assume that someone is cloned after his/her death and will try to find his/her old self still living into that implant. Weird disturbing stuff, and highly illegal. But I rather like the implication of that. Though is Zainou's transfer tech available to every capsuleer ? Not sure.
Interesting stuff indeed. It opens some really interesting possibilities. What if the implant is recovered by unsavoury types, the person's mind is downloaded into a new body, and they're repetitively tortured? Nasty stuff possible. As for Zainou's tech, I figure its just that a really really advanced computer is required to take a brain scan produced via soft/hard clone, and emulate it out in a computer, essentially simulating the entire brain with sufficient fidelity to actively function as it would a physical brain. I don't think that tech is particularly common, and my character certainly doesn't have access to it.
If you only implied that brain data is saved, in the sense images, sounds, or whatever pertains to declarative memory (vs procedural memory), I am not sure where PF stands on the matter, and if actual tampering with memory is possible to that point, as it is a lot more complicated than just copy pasting a pattern (as you will have to actually understand how everything work). Which leads back to my other thread on memory tampering.
I think of the backup as a recording, it takes sensory data, and stores it. It turns the character's eyes and ears into video and audio recorders and stores the data on an internal chip. It might not even be possible to directly reimplant the memories. If the chip was recovered, the character might have to just watch the recording from the implant. No different then if you had a micro-video camera implanted inside your eye really.
And no, it doesn't exist in the PF, we effectively invented it through a bunch of roleplay between myself, Scherezad, and a few others. The idea was to create something that would possibly become widely used and create interesting potential RP. The point was never to godmode, it was to add some diversity to the RP scene with player created stuff.
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