About time I posted here
I had a very good conversation with Summiteers a few days ago, I think it was some damn fine RP. My sagely storytelling needs work, but other than that, thoroughly enjoyed myself, thanks to all involved.
*Disclaimer - Edited to remove unrelated messages, if anyone feels their views have been misrepresented due to that, please contact me and I will edit
[spoiler=Conversation about Matari][2013.10.23 03:56:52 ] Saya Ishikari > "Conflict sharpens the knife..,. Which then gets used on outside threats."
[ 2013.10.23 03:57:20 ] Saya Ishikari > "Unhinged... Rather a polite way to put it."
[ 2013.10.23 03:57:35 ] N'maro Makari > Hah, excellent. Young Matari relish a good brawl but seldom know how to make peace afterwards.
[ 2013.10.23 03:57:40 ] Pieter Tuulinen > Very apt, though.
[ 2013.10.23 03:57:50 ] Saya Ishikari > /emote nods in agreement.
[ 2013.10.23 03:57:53 ] Malcolm Khross > Was I? You certainly turned out better than I.
[ 2013.10.23 03:58:06 ] Gherrit White > Sometimes the bolts have just gone missing, sometimes they were never there in the first place.
[ 2013.10.23 03:58:09 ] Pieter Tuulinen > Learn from people's successes and mistakes. Then make your own.
[ 2013.10.23 03:58:19 ] N'maro Makari > It's a harsh existence, unfortunately creates harshness in turn.
[ 2013.10.23 03:58:40 ] Malcolm Khross > /emote nods to Pieteer.
[ 2013.10.23 03:58:50 ] Malcolm Khross > (( Gah, typing with baby in hand is hard. ))
[ 2013.10.23 03:58:57 ] Saya Ishikari > "Even a harsh existence can be left behind, if one is willing."
[ 2013.10.23 03:59:32 ] N'maro Makari > I'm not so sure.
[ 2013.10.23 03:59:49 ] Malcolm Khross > Give my greetings to your wife, Tuulinen-haan. I've got to sign off for now, good seeing each of you again.
[ 2013.10.23 03:59:58 ] Saya Ishikari > "I am." she answwers, "A product of an environment need not remain as such."
[ 2013.10.23 04:00:04 ] Pieter Tuulinen > I will pass them on, sir.,
[ 2013.10.23 04:00:33 ] N'maro Makari > I like you, you have determination.
[ 2013.10.23 04:01:55 ] Saya Ishikari > "Adaptability and an unwillingness to mire myself, perhaps."
[ 2013.10.23 04:02:12 ] N'maro Makari > /emote smiles and pauses before speaking > An old tale, passed down to me from a shaman, and her predecessor and so-on, it talks of the lone warriors of old, of our tribe. They walked the deserts of Matar, tested by both the desert
[ 2013.10.23 04:03:48 ] N'maro Makari > and the people who inhabited it. None could match them in their element. But when they came back, from travel, from war, they seldom stayed long. They always went back, and none died peacefully in their beds. Now, you're wondering why I'd tell you some abridged version of an old folk tale.
[ 2013.10.23 04:04:04 ] Silas Vitalia > I'm not.
[ 2013.10.23 04:04:05 ] Gherrit White > Not really, no.
[ 2013.10.23 04:04:08 ] Saya Ishikari > "Actually, I assume you have a point to make. Continue."
[ 2013.10.23 04:04:18 ] N'maro Makari > It's told as a cautionary tale.
[ 2013.10.23 04:04:53 ] N'maro Makari > A simmilar phrase is that those fighting monsters become monsters. Once you taste hardship, and live, giving it up is difficult.
[ 2013.10.23 04:06:12 ] Saya Ishikari > "Perhaps. To which I pose the question... Is it truly borne of choice? Or is it an institutionalized mindset?"
[ 2013.10.23 04:06:15 ] Gherrit White > "As you gaze into the abyss, so too does the abyss gaze into you".
[ 2013.10.23 04:06:29 ] Saya Ishikari > /emote smiles, "I absolutely adore that saying..."
[ 2013.10.23 04:06:46 ] Gherrit White > I find it rather apt.
[ 2013.10.23 04:06:52 ] N'maro Makari > Indeed
[ 2013.10.23 04:07:11 ] N'maro Makari > Theres a romance in the lifestyle that many Matari are born into.
[ 2013.10.23 04:07:34 ] Saya Ishikari > "Romance and reality are often at odds, in my experience."
[ 2013.10.23 04:08:07 ] Gherrit White > Romances tend to be ideals, even in their tragedies.
[ 2013.10.23 04:08:10 ] N'maro Makari > It makes people determined as hell though. It's both tragic and inspiring at the same time.
[ 2013.10.23 04:08:11 ] Pieter Tuulinen > It is possible to make romance your reality.
[ 2013.10.23 04:08:30 ] Saya Ishikari > "To an extent, yes, I agree. On both points."
[ 2013.10.23 04:10:37 ] Saya Ishikari > " 'At what price glory?' I think is relevant... How much should be given up for a chance to perpetuate what may never be? How much CAN be given up? The Republic looks to be on the edge of anarchy yet again, lately."
[ 2013.10.23 04:12:08 ] N'maro Makari > Matari are born to a world of fight.
[ 2013.10.23 04:12:32 ] N'maro Makari > At home they fight poverty, outside they fight to retain their identity.
[ 2013.10.23 04:12:43 ] Gherrit White > Many of us are, even non-Matari. It's just a matter of what they fight.
[ 2013.10.23 04:13:45 ] Saya Ishikari > "As are we born into conflict, as well... Let me rephrase... How much can they really afford to lose looking for a chance to 'right' the wrongs comitted against them? At what point does it move beyond patriotism and into folley?"
[ 2013.10.23 04:14:01 ] Saya Ishikari > folly^
[ 2013.10.23 04:14:11 ] Gherrit White > That's a rather subjective question.
[ 2013.10.23 04:14:27 ] N'maro Makari > It's a varying spectrum.
[ 2013.10.23 04:14:41 ] Saya Ishikari > "It's both subjective and dangerously varied, yes."
[ 2013.10.23 04:14:52 ] N'maro Makari > Some say it's worth their lives and health, most of them follow through on that.
[ 2013.10.23 04:15:04 ] Gherrit White > For some, like Ms. Kim, their cause is holy, their quest supreme. To them, the only folly would be to succumb and quit.
[ 2013.10.23 04:15:09 ] Anslo > text> ...the hell is everyone on about?
[ 2013.10.23 04:15:21 ] N'maro Makari > But at the risk of generalising
[ 2013.10.23 04:16:21 ] N'maro Makari > The sentiment among the Matari of the Republic is running hot, compounded by the fact that diplomacy is seen to have brought us little, while bold action true to objective has produced results.
[ 2013.10.23 04:16:36 ] Pieter Tuulinen > Is that how you see it?
[ 2013.10.23 04:16:47 ] Pieter Tuulinen > You exchanged a fleet and trained crews for some drug addled slaves.
[ 2013.10.23 04:16:59 ] Saya Ishikari > "I wouldn't count many of the Republics forrays as suiccessful lately.., No offense to you personally..."
[ 2013.10.23 04:17:45 ] Saya Ishikari > "But, thats my opinion, and a materialistic one, admittedly."
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:13 ] Gherrit White > That's what I've been hearing.
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:14 ] N'maro Makari > It's true to a certain extent. Everything that the Matari have has had to be fought for, we've rarely if ever had great success just by asking nicely.
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:25 ] Pieter Tuulinen > Try trading.
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:30 ] Pieter Tuulinen > It works for us.
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:42 ] Gherrit White > Maybe we'll get bored and turn the war for the Matari next after we curbstomp Black Rise into submission.
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:44 ] Saya Ishikari > "A commonality I've appreciated, but Pieter has a point."
[ 2013.10.23 04:18:59 ] N'maro Makari > In context of the wider Matari populace, while our actions have been costly, they have produced result, however small.
[ 2013.10.23 04:19:10 ] N'maro Makari > Peaceful approach, regrettably, has not.
[ 2013.10.23 04:19:24 ] N'maro Makari > At least, not since before I was in the pod.
[ 2013.10.23 04:20:39 ] Saya Ishikari > "Force has it's place. Nobody in the federation was willing to talk about home until the invasion... Even though it was ultimately driven back, we gained what we desired in the end."
[ 2013.10.23 04:21:02 ] N'maro Makari > Picture yourself if you will, in the top of a burning house, if you jump, you might die, if you don't you will die for sure. You would jump, even if you broke every bone in your body.
[ 2013.10.23 04:22:03 ] Saya Ishikari > "I understand the analogy quite well. Taking a risk may cost you, but not taking one WILL cost you. What I would add to that is; make sure that risk is worth the potential price."
[ 2013.10.23 04:22:56 ] N'maro Makari > Now that's where opinion gets more diverse.
[ 2013.10.23 04:23:02 ] Saya Ishikari > "Exactly."
[ 2013.10.23 04:24:16 ] N'maro Makari > Most Republic Matari still view the Elder fleet as a good action when considered standalone, but, when it comes to allocation of funds to poverty programs, or to war production.
[ 2013.10.23 04:24:30 ] N'maro Makari > Ah, now that is where the opinion diversifies.
[ 2013.10.23 04:24:32 ] Pieter Tuulinen > It was a disaster, Militarily.
[ 2013.10.23 04:24:43 ] Saya Ishikari > "It was an abysmal move, in terms of making a lasting stand for the Republic... Or even the Matari people as a whole."
[ 2013.10.23 04:25:35 ] N'maro Makari > /emote exclaims > Hah! that's what I love about Caldari, straight to the numbers. We could use some of that.
[ 2013.10.23 04:26:05 ] Saya Ishikari > /emote smiles softly, "I'm worse than most Caldari... I was made to crunch numbers that nobody wants crunched. But, thats me."
[ 2013.10.23 04:26:20 ] N'maro Makari > If one considered it only in numbers, yes failure.
[ 2013.10.23 04:26:24 ] Gherrit White > Eh, everyone's got their specialties.
[ 2013.10.23 04:26:30 ] Gherrit White > Numbers make my head hurt.
[ 2013.10.23 04:27:04 ] N'maro Makari > But the actions takes that day brought the lost 3 tribes back to the fold, we were not whole, but we were closer than we had ever come before.
[ 2013.10.23 04:27:20 ] Steffanie Saissore > At the cost of what though?
[ 2013.10.23 04:27:38 ] N'maro Makari > Caldari are fortunate enough to have inherited a strong culture, the bedrock on which their society is built.
[ 2013.10.23 04:27:45 ] Gherrit White > I, uh, don't even know what you're talking about Makari.
[ 2013.10.23 04:28:08 ] Saya Ishikari > "Very true. In that same grain, I would call our actions to reacquire Home a success, in the end."
[ 2013.10.23 04:28:13 ] Steffanie Saissore > All I am hearing is phyrric victories of the Matari. Instead of helping the people that were free with infrastructure, war fleets are built and how many countless died in that action?
[ 2013.10.23 04:28:33 ] Saya Ishikari > "The question now is, what is being pursued by those who fight? What is the goal?"
[ 2013.10.23 04:28:35 ] N'maro Makari > We had to start from scratch. and you can see how important reunifiying our people would be.
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:16 ] N'maro Makari > And Mr White, what do you not understand?
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:24 ] Saya Ishikari > "A point agreed upon, and, numbers aside, laregly successful. But what now?"
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:32 ] Steffanie Saissore > Your government took funds and materiel given them to start a new life and instead, a war fleet was built and eventually used against the very people who tried to help
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:36 ] N'maro Makari > Ms Saissore, if you fear I am boasting, have no such fear.
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:49 ] Gherrit White > I haven't kept up on Republic history for shit, so I'm missing the events you're referencing.
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:55 ] Saya Ishikari > "To be fair, Saissore, it was not their government."
[ 2013.10.23 04:29:58 ] N'maro Makari > I am laying out an academic assessment. Not a policy proposal.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:03 ] Gherrit White > I've had my hands busy with null politics.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:06 ] Saya Ishikari > "According to what I've read, anyways."
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:20 ] Saya Ishikari > "Stop me if I'm wrong?"
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:34 ] Erica Dusette > /emote connects, rubbing her temples > Evening Summiteers. More arguing? Ugg, my head. Find a empty patch of space, for Bob's sake, grab a ship and go fight it out.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:47 ] N'maro Makari > No, you're correct by an large, there are nuances, naturally but the general assessment is correct.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:51 ] N'maro Makari > Not arguing.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:52 ] Gherrit White > Nah, we're not arguing at the moment.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:56 ] N'maro Makari > Good conversation.
[ 2013.10.23 04:30:59 ] Saya Ishikari > "Discussing, for once."
[ 2013.10.23 04:31:05 ] Gherrit White > It's a good discussion, no brick walls being applied to foreheads.
[ 2013.10.23 04:31:19 ] N'maro Makari > Ms Saissore, indulge me.
[ 2013.10.23 04:31:20 ] Erica Dusette > Other than mine. It's bumpin'
[ 2013.10.23 04:31:33 ] N'maro Makari > What do Gallente think of the word "family"?
[ 2013.10.23 04:31:42 ] Saya Ishikari > /emote watches and waits.
[ 2013.10.23 04:32:20 ] Steffanie Saissore > Sir, I will have to direct your question to a Gallente that knows what a family life is like as I did not.
[ 2013.10.23 04:32:56 ] N'maro Makari > SUrely you must have someone? Not blood, blood is fickle. SOmeone close enough to warrant the label.
[ 2013.10.23 04:35:39 ] Steffanie Saissore > Hmm, perhaps I have a romanticized ideal of what a family is, somewhat influence from some of the Sebeistor I have hung around...but to me family is blood and those that are brought into it by vow or oath.
[ 2013.10.23 04:37:18 ] Saya Ishikari > "Not so much romanticized, as defined, I think." Saya offers, "It's a realistic perspective."
[ 2013.10.23 04:37:18 ] N'maro Makari > /emote nods > Most of you probably have a vague idea of how Matari society is organised, clans within tribes with the Matari. To us, these are the different levels of family. And family is something we take very seriously. To us, to call someone fami...
[ 2013.10.23 04:38:16 ] N'maro Makari > family to say that you would give yourself, break your body and soul if necessary, and unconditionally to keep them safe from harm, and to never forgive those who wrong them.
[ 2013.10.23 04:38:38 ] N'maro Makari > THat is the core sentiment.
[ 2013.10.23 04:38:58 ] N'maro Makari > Family, above any cost.
[ 2013.10.23 04:39:10 ] Erica Dusette > I'll drink to that sentiment.
[ 2013.10.23 04:39:28 ] Erica Dusette > /emote reaches out of view for her synthetic coffee
[ 2013.10.23 04:39:36 ] Gherrit White > Families are good. Blood or not.
[ 2013.10.23 04:39:43 ] Gherrit White > I've made my own in my time.
[ 2013.10.23 04:40:42 ] N'maro Makari > Indeed. Family to a Matari goes beyond just those you meet in person, a single Matari is a family member of a clan, a clan is a family member of a tribe, and a tribe is a family member of the Matari
[ 2013.10.23 04:41:26 ] Gherrit White > As silly as it sounds, TEST has well and become my family.
[ 2013.10.23 04:41:50 ] N'maro Makari > It is not so silly, people in SYNE I would describe the same.
[ 2013.10.23 04:42:21 ] Gherrit White > I've grown so attached to these spergy retards that I just turned down a recruitment offer from PL for them.
[ 2013.10.23 04:44:39 ] N'maro Makari > Goodness me, the day has actually come where I've talked the summit to death.
[ 2013.10.23 04:44:46 ] Gherrit White > Eh.
[ 2013.10.23 04:44:55 ] Saya Ishikari > "In some ways, there are parallels in the State... The details, obviously, are where the differences lie."
[ 2013.10.23 04:44:57 ] Gherrit White > This is about the time it gets kinda quiet.
[ 2013.10.23 04:46:13 ] N'maro Makari > I like to think the Caldari Megacorps are families forged of purpose, that's the best metaphor for me.
[ 2013.10.23 04:46:30 ] Saya Ishikari > "Very apt."
[ 2013.10.23 04:47:38 ] N'maro Makari > Well on that note, I have to leave, a few things to do before rack time.
[ 2013.10.23 04:47:48 ] N'maro Makari > I hope I didn't bore you all too much.
[ 2013.10.23 04:48:22 ] Pieter Tuulinen > Not in the slightest. As a tubekin I didn't have much to add, though.
[ 2013.10.23 04:49:19 ] N'maro Makari > /emote smiles > Like I said, blood is fickle, look to who stands by you to find family. Goodnight summit.
[ 2013.10.23 04:49:28 ] Saya Ishikari > "Family is what we make of it, in the end, I think. And no, you didn't. It's been a pleasant discussion. Moitte."[/spoiler]