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[Saede Riordan]

Migrating this here from the Teraa Matar boards. Still a work in progress, needs work on being more Nordic and less Celtic. Feel free to help out.

Minmatar: Northern Regional Sebiestor

IC Stuff:
North Region Sebiestor is a matari Heritage Language. One of the only languages to survive mostly intact from before the day of darkness, it is still spoken in many communities across Mikramurka, and is one of the five dialects used to construct Modern Standard Matari.

Pronunciation guide:
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a = short a sound as in bat
aa = long and then short sound modulated, (no english equivalent)
ae = long a sound as in cake (caek!)
i = short i sound as in sick
ii = long i sound as in sky
e - short e sound, as in egg
ee = long e sound, as in screen
u = short u sound as in under
uu = long ooo sound, as in look
(vowel)i = long i sound
uo = oohoh sound
y = eyh sound


beginnings of grammer:

like spanish, it has a root for verbs, with various endings

present tense:
to do: -ini
I do: -in
you do: -un
you all do: -uon
we do: -ien
they(singular) do: -en
they(plural) do: -een

Past tense:
to have done: -ili
I have done: -il
you have done: -ul
you all have done: -uol
we have done: -iel
they(singular) have done: -el
they(plural) have done: -eel

future tense:
to be going to do: -iri
I am going to do: -ir
you are going to do: -ur
you all are going to do: -uor
we are going to: -ier
they(singular) are going to do: -er
they(plural) are going to do: -eer

noun tense:
this is a special case, where it is specifically referring to the verb as a noun, for instance, guidance, would be the noun created from the verb 'to guide' this is constructed by dropping all the verb endings.

construction of sentence's verb agreements:

[object noun][subject noun][verb]
so for example,
you I thank
instead of thank you

place names end in ii or R, this is used to indicate that it is a location. these can be added to a noun to indicate the noun in question is a location


Injection Words, these are simple starting words that add certain meanings to a sentence. It is assumed that the rest of the sentence relates to the injection word, many but not all of them are questions:

Qie: how
Qit: why
Quo: who
Qui: what
Qas: where
Qin: when
Qot: Permission
Yui: Command
Hri: Stop


verb Dictionary thus far:

to be (passive state, like, to be human): kiini
to be (active state, like, to be walking): Jiini
to come: Kesini
to part: Shini
to thank: mathini
to greet: tradini
to cook: korioini
to eat: bhachini
to make fire: Kezdini
to wash: Maliishin
to mark: Valini
to write: Valmini
to give: Kiimini
to take: Scrydini
to love as a significant other: Chintakini
To love as a family member: Chastakini
to love as a clanmate: Kaskini
to come: Kiiwini
to go: Scryini
to own: Yukoini
to show: Wewirin
to dream: Cychini
to live: Amanchini
to die: Awyrini
to dance: Sabadini
to freeze: Ixini
to heat: Hathini
to commune on important matters: lassini
to meet and talk: Meinini
to grow herbs and spices: Truzini
to reach: mahonini
to command: Zijini
to ask: Bhahoini
to pray: cuigini
to guide: Aigaini
to listen: Amraini
to lead: Shanraini
to bless: Egilini
to tilt ones head to ask a question: Hemilini
To nod ones head in agreement: Ackidini
To break: Hrorini
To mend: Sgathini
To kill: Gulrogini
to fish: Siikaini
to interpret: Ovrestini



noun dictionary thus far:

dawn: dyma
day: diia
midday: Habh
dusk: Adha
night: noca
now: Imanji
brightness/sunshine/light and goodness in the day or night: shei
human/person: awi
man: pawi
women: mawi
mother: mati
father: pati
grandmother: matata
grandfather: patota
great grandmother: mataii
great grandfather: patoii
elder mother: Matar
elder father: Pator
ancestor: Aidan
bread: briea
countertop: Koriowyn
stone: Wyn
soil: Tarra
Fire: Kezen
Water: Fosil
wind: Azad
Spirit of Stone: Wynadair
Spirit of soil: Tarraadair
Spirit of fire: Kezenadair
Spirit of water: Fosiladair
spirit of snow: iiraadair
Tree: Edra
plant: Edeen
River: Mali
ocean: Sorad
island: Hebria
rain: Iiya
snow: Iira
the ice that covers the ground, a glacier, or ice sheet at sea: Iirawyn
A frost that steals the breath: Ieze
Winter, or death wind: Azadawyr
the ice that forms on cliffs near the sea: Xiorad
the snow that devours: iirabhach
spirit: Espra
dark spirit: taibh
soul: Volu
soul mark: voluval
skin: Jesim
tattoo: Jesival
ink: saede
family: Gai
a family matter: Askion
Clan: Moni
a clan matter: Hirion
clanmate: Mhonae
Tribe: Yrail
a tribe matter: Maemion
one's place within a clan: Eieghr
shaman: Seida
elder: Ebhii
meeting place: Meinii
clan/tribal tribunal: Ebhameii
Standing Stones/ meeting place/ spiritual gathering site: Meinii Hirion
warrior: Hromi
knife: Teraa
hunter: Suain
leather: Sure
leatherworker: Surion
mother (profession): Mataomi
home: Kenkii
building: Kenk
tower: Kenkra
bridge: Malan
Gate: ako
winter: Iiraji
summer: kezenji
spring: kezdji
autumn: scrydji
midwinter: Lynka
lover: Chintaku
generic 'thing' or object pronoun: Bhan
generic 'place' location pronoun: Locul
all things/everything: Unadin
life: Amanch
death: Awyr
star: Aman
stargate: amanako
the wheel of life: Maji
a turn of the wheel of life/the wheel turns: Awyrji
time: Hahror
moment: Hadzek
the way: Yimir
Against the way: Nidhoggr
a good ending that is still sad: Saiha
the formless void/space: Ginnun
mouth: gagap
world: heim
new eden: Amanheim
sound: Nei
translator: Ovrestii nei
Riord: tool





plurals:
to pluralize a noun or adjective, you add 'd to the end of a word. so stars would be aman'd

the: k'-noun/adjective

numbers:

numbers are base ten. In order to tell the base, you use a base word, followed by the numbers. The base word indicates which place value to start with.

ones place: hod
tens place: Hezd
hundreds place: Haen
thousands place: Nory
ten thousands place: Nezry
hundred thousands place: Naery

one: yun
two: din
three: shin
four: kat
five: rash
six: neek
seven: maan
eight: shaad
nine: kaed
zero: nayn

decimal place: hven

example:
in english the number 1,230 looks like this:
one thousand, two hundred, thirty

in sebiestor it looks like this
Nory yun din shin

adjective dictionary thus far:

good: kiid
bad: saad
yes: kai
no: nen
clean: Iisha
dirty: Saadan
more: Kiimin
less: Skak
some: dubhn
happy: kiija
sad: saaon
cold: Jid
cold skin/goosebumps: Juna
deep bone chill: Juoma
of the way: Mima
of nidhoggr: Nida
warm: Hatha
more then/more of prior: 'ar
lonely: Tolad
very: Fina
a lot: Afaich
a little: Saklaich
to/then/following/etc: Anh
sa: and/ in addition to/ as well/also
with: Skala
this: Shiya

pronouns

there is one pronoun, the root pronoun, it is gender neutral.

others/they/neutral: Kes
self/I/me/etc: Ima
you/person being spoken to/etc: korra

you can use it independently, or you can attach to the end of it, any combination of nouns and adjectives, connected by a ' for each link, allowing a pronoun to be either very simple or very complex. Oftentimes it will grow in complexity with the accomplishments of the person being described by it.

Possession:
Unlike english where possession indicates ownership, in NRS, it simply indicates relationships between objects.
this is shown by the 'ta' which when standing alone means, 'of' so instead of saying 'my mother' it would be 'mother of I' or in NRS, 'Mati ta ima'

ta: of
na: for

formal relationship codifiers:
These are largely not used anymore, but they still come up occasionally in the context of formal names and relationships

Av-(word): daughter of
Ar-(word): son of
Ai-(word): child of
Ma-(word): mother of
Pa-(word): father of
Min-(word): children of
(word)-iach: clan of
(word)-en/an: family of

its still very much a work in progress, and ideas are welcome. As we come up with things, I'll update this post to add the new information.

[Publius Valerius]

+1 really nice. Even if I can really add something to it. I would love to role with what ever comes out  .

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

Have you come up with a word for tower? I was trying to render the name of Arnulf's clan using this language but couldn't find the word. What I am coming up with is Quo Arnulf Ogunkoya ta Hod Rash Kenk'd Moni. This should mean "I am Arnulf Ogunkoya of the Five Towers Clan", but the closest I could get to tower was kenk (building).

On a side note. If I'm a moral compass and you are an immoral compass, does that mean we'd explode on contact or just cancel each other out?   

[Ava Starfire]

Just make one up, Arnulf! Let Saede know, she can throw it in the list. Honestly, I rather like this, and I have even snitched a few words to use in Ava's bio; "Star-Fire" as in, Ava's clan's name, = "Aman-Kezen" which even has a delicious Amarrian loanwordy sound... kind of cool stuffs!

Ava

[Kiro Kathora]

noun tense:
this is a special case, where it is specifically referring to the verb as a noun, for instance, guidance, would be the noun created from the verb 'to guide' this is constructed by dropping all the verb endings.

That's a novity. You were suggesting a Celtic look. Do Celtic languages form verb based nouns? (I'm not familiar with those languages.)

like spanish, it has a root for verbs, with various endings

present tense:
to do: -ini
I do: -in
you do: -un
you all do: -uon
we do: -ien
they(singular) do: -en
they(plural) do: -een

to come: Kesini

May I assume that a 'native speaker' would drop the final -i of the stem? Another possiblity is lengthening of the [ i ] vowel, but this will most likely cause stress to shift towards the verb inflectional suffix. Just an idea.

By the way, as I noted in the Amarr language topic, native speakers will probably drop the pronouns if verbs are inflected that consistent and specifically. 

Is there any agreement on adjectives (e.g. a plural suffix)?

[Lyn Farel]

It depends of the language, in latin pronouns do not really exist or are not used, but in other latin based languages with the same inflexions, they are mandatory.

[Kiro Kathora]

I see. Well, at least not in Italian.

[Saede Riordan]

noun tense:
this is a special case, where it is specifically referring to the verb as a noun, for instance, guidance, would be the noun created from the verb 'to guide' this is constructed by dropping all the verb endings.

That's a novity. You were suggesting a Celtic look. Do Celtic languages form verb based nouns? (I'm not familiar with those languages.)

They don't particularly. In terms of linguistic construction, NRS is really its own thing. Its vaguely latin in construction, with a lot of Nordic, Celtic, Gaelic, and Germanic styling. Right now its rather heavy on the celtic/gaelic, in terms of what letters and letter combinations are used in words, but a lot of the new stuff I've added, if not outright based on translations of words into Icelandic, will use things like minmatar system names as a foundation. The most important thing to me is that its internally self-consistent. I don't want to have all sorts of special rules and exceptions.

like spanish, it has a root for verbs, with various endings

present tense:
to do: -ini
I do: -in
you do: -un
you all do: -uon
we do: -ien
they(singular) do: -en
they(plural) do: -een

to come: Kesini

May I assume that a 'native speaker' would drop the final -i of the stem? Another possiblity is lengthening of the [ i ] vowel, but this will most likely cause stress to shift towards the verb inflectional suffix. Just an idea.

The reason the 'to do' stem ends up being a bit more complex then the 'I do' stem, is that the 'to do' stem is likely used much less often. The 'I do -in' stem is more commonly spake, so it gets the quicker conjugate.

By the way, as I noted in the Amarr language topic, native speakers will probably drop the pronouns if verbs are inflected that consistent and specifically. 

Yeah, pronouns are very much a flavour thing, they're not heavily required in speech, not nearly to the degree that english is. I explain this as that the Sebiestor simply put much less emphasis on gender then other languages might. Both genders can be warriors, both can be homemakers.

Is there any agreement on adjectives (e.g. a plural suffix)?

adjectives use the same pluralizing suffix as nouns do. I should probably note that 

[Arnulf Ogunkoya]

Just make one up, Arnulf! Let Saede know, she can throw it in the list. Honestly, I rather like this, and I have even snitched a few words to use in Ava's bio; "Star-Fire" as in, Ava's clan's name, = "Aman-Kezen" which even has a delicious Amarrian loanwordy sound... kind of cool stuffs!

Ava

Good point. How about kenkra, combining elements of the words for building & tree?

So - Quo Arnulf Ogunkoya ta Hod Rash Kenkra'd Moni.

Although I have a feeling I've mangled the grammar there a tad.

[Ava Starfire]

I rather like it. Ill poke Saede to update the word list!

[Saede Riordan]

updated ^_^

[Vieve]

Speaking of possessives and pronouns, are there words for "We" or "our"?

[Saede Riordan]

Speaking of possessives and pronouns, are there words for "We" or "our"?

you would just pluralize the singular pronouns, so:
others, those people over there, etc:  Kes'd
We, us, our, etc: Ima'd
you all, group of people that I'm talking to, etc: korra'd

[Saede Riordan]

So after looking at Ava's topic, I looked back at the stuff I've done for this language, and thought, I honestly like what Ava has for sebiestor better than this. But I do like this language, and I don't just want to drop something I've put this much work into.

It could be a common dialect of matari, maybe even MSM. Ava noted and I agree that there are a lot of Amarrian sounding words. It could also represent a sort of "common tongue" that was spoken by the slaves, and ended up being a mixture of matari and Amarr.

So yeah, ideas, thoughts?

[Adreena Madeveda]

MSM is a language created to unify the minmatar and ease communications between them, so probably something quick to learn and easy to use. That could mean dropping the cases and simplifying the verbs endings, for example. As for the vocabulary, a few core words ("few" like 3000) and the ability to create more with prefixes and suffixes (like in esperanto : ferindustrilaboristino means "a woman working in the iron industry").

I don't know if it fits the idea you have for this language, though.