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[Saede Riordan]

Anyone know if the TDs effect unguided missiles, like HAMs and rockets, or if they effect everything?

[Desiderya]

You can hit 900 DPS with HAM drakes as it is.

Not really, no. But I agree that it is much more DPS than with heavy missiles.

[Morwen Lagann]

You can hit 900 DPS with HAM drakes as it is.

Not really, no. But I agree that it is much more DPS than with heavy missiles.

Yes, really. Inara flies one. I've seen it in use, and used one myself.

[Leopold Caine]

You can hit 900 DPS with HAM drakes as it is.

Not really, no. But I agree that it is much more DPS than with heavy missiles.

Yes, really. Inara flies one. I've seen it in use, and used one myself.

*says Morwen's story is cool and calls her a bro*



On the topic itself, I think CCP are making some good moves towards a 'blind' area. Once we see these actually in effect and figure out any imbalances those will bring, I hope they'll be tweaked accordingly. But my point is in general they haven't done a  .

Yet.

[Desiderya]

You can hit 900 DPS with HAM drakes as it is.

Not really, no. But I agree that it is much more DPS than with heavy missiles.

Yes, really. Inara flies one. I've seen it in use, and used one myself.

No, really. Check your values again.

[Inara Subaka]

You can hit 900 DPS with HAM drakes as it is.

Not really, no. But I agree that it is much more DPS than with heavy missiles.

Yes, really. Inara flies one. I've seen it in use, and used one myself.

No, really. Check your values again.

It's actually 894dps, and they're not joking. I love flying the Drake properly.

EDIT: And for those who prefer 6% implants.

[Desiderya]

I always mission with overheated guns.
But point taken, yes.

[Inara Subaka]

Wait... people use Drakes for missions? Why would you do that?

I was talking about for PvP, and I always go into a fight with the green bar flashing.

[Desiderya]

Oh, I agree on that, and there HAMs are a very nice choice. But Lyn's concern was that it makes running L4s mission impossible/impossibly slow. Pointing at HAMs for missions is (imho) questionable, although the heavy missile changes make them more attractive in comparison.
And for PvE, the hyper dps is as practical as the lovely 1k dps ac cane.

[Matariki Rain]

Wait... people use Drakes for missions? Why would you do that?

Well, back when I used to mission it started as a challenge and then became "one ship to do it all" by using a PvP-fit HM Drake to solo L4s. Always ready for what comes up. I'd actually be a bit ticked off if I could no longer do that.

(Although I'd need to fly again for it to really matter.)

[Lyn Farel]

Well yes of course, I forgot the tendancy people have to always take the extremes as reference... Because I bet we can get to 139839348 DPS canes and the likes with pristines implants, boosters and officer mods. 

Anyway, a mission drake needs at least a little tank and are mostly used by noobies. It is a quite usefull/wonderful L4s ship for noobs that are still unable to use large guns and large ships.

Anyone know if the TDs effect unguided missiles, like HAMs and rockets, or if they effect everything?

Why everyone keep calling these unguided missiles ? It's not like bombs or moon probes that fly straightforward without following the target...

[Milo Caman]

Why everyone keep calling these unguided missiles ? It's not like bombs or moon probes that fly straightforward without following the target...

Because there's a skill that references them, and only affects Guided missiles. HAMs, Rockets and Torps all have an 'unguided' flag that means they don't get the explosion velocity bonus from said skill.

[Lyn Farel]

Yeah I knew they did not get these skill bonuses, but I didn't know they used a word of such little sense for those. :/

Maybe they are not guided by the tracking computer of the ship and have their own onboard tracking devices is what it means ? Or the opposite ?

[Desiderya]

They just wanted a fancy sounding name to differentiate these types I'd say.
But it's now confirmed that these TE/TC/TD changes affect all missiles, guided and unguided. May the Phoenix finally rise?

[Leopold Caine]

Milo kind of missed the semantics there, there's no 'unguided' flag.
It's just that a skill called 'Guided Missile Precision' only affects light, heavy and cruise missiles, so some people started calling those not affected by it 'unguided'.
From first hand experience regarding the nomenclature, I think most people still classify them as 'long range' and 'short range' missile groups.