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Author Topic: IRL Monoclegate?  (Read 2908 times)

Ken

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IRL Monoclegate?
« on: 17 Jul 2012, 10:16 »

Apparently, nobody likes cybernetic monocles in real life either....

http://io9.com/5926587/what-may-be-the-worlds-first-cybernetic-hate-crime-unfolds-in-french-mcdonalds
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #1 on: 17 Jul 2012, 10:24 »

I've been watching this, and Professor Mann has been at the forefront of wearable computing and augmented reality for many years. As much as I hate what happened to him, I can't quite yet comprehend what his assailants' actual complaints were. Maybe they just didn't want to be recorded, and the issue had nothing to do with the equipment that's been surgically attached?
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #2 on: 17 Jul 2012, 10:31 »

FFS.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #3 on: 17 Jul 2012, 11:30 »

I can't wrap my head around what the assailants were actually perturbed about either. :s

Steve Mann is the friggin' man, though.

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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #4 on: 17 Jul 2012, 11:37 »

I'm a bioconservative, but damn...
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #5 on: 17 Jul 2012, 12:42 »

Steve Mann is the friggin' man, though.
Quoted for truth. I'm also not surprised he's the first guy this has happened to; I remember reading the guy has already routinely had trouble with customs, police, security, etcetera, ever since he started doing this. He's not carrying around notes from his doctor saying "yes, the equipment really is attached to his body" for no good reason.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #6 on: 17 Jul 2012, 12:50 »

I suspect the reason may fundamentally have been a fear of being recorded / observed, much like walking around with a  camcorder recording people.

It would depend if the same McDonalds Employees have done similar to prostheticly equipped persons or not.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #7 on: 17 Jul 2012, 13:00 »

It's lovely, sweet irony to consider that they probably did not even stop to think about how everything they did was being recorded on Mickey D's security cameras.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #8 on: 17 Jul 2012, 19:15 »

Maybe they just didn't want to be recorded, and the issue had nothing to do with the equipment that's been surgically attached?

Might be. Of course, if that's the case, they'd better start trying to remove customer's brains, too. After all, the human mind does a fair job of recording events as well (although certainly not an infallible job).
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #9 on: 17 Jul 2012, 21:38 »

I'm not familiar with privacy, electronic surveillance or private property laws in France, so this may not apply.

If they had an objection to being recorded, they could have politely requested he leave the restaurant.  I certainly have reservations about the proliferation of recording devices in use these days.  However, the dividing line to me is whether you are out in public or on/in private property and other "reasonable expectation of privacy" considerations.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #10 on: 18 Jul 2012, 04:29 »

I don't know what are the exact laws, but they sure do not make you in your right to agress someone in your property if he does not follow your rules, even if the rules are backed by the law.

The thing I am sure however, is that you will inevitably end up in trouble if you attack someone for whatever reason, even if he is in your property.

And here we are not speaking about the right of self defense, which is by the law authorized if :

- actual danger
- injustified aggression
- real aggression (a simple threat is not enough)
- the defense used must be the only way to defend oneself
- proportionnal to aggression (no excess tolerated)

So, no. I wonder what the aggressors were thinking. And anyway, this is not even their property, its Mac Donald property, and I am pretty sure their policies are slightly different. :3
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #11 on: 18 Jul 2012, 09:23 »

The weird thing is the reactions he says he's getting from officials inside and outside McDonalds, such as the police, etc. His blog says they aren't being very helpful, which does make me wonder.

Kinda like in Eve some folks rage at never getting their stuff reimbursed in petitions. In most cases they are either way off base or they are being unreasonably emotional.

But maybe it's a conspiracy to stave off the Bionic Man.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #12 on: 18 Jul 2012, 09:26 »

That's what I meant about the motivations: I don't think it's just because he had "weird cyborg shit" attached to him, but that doesn't mean the whole thing isn't odd.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #13 on: 18 Jul 2012, 09:44 »

He was likely injured more in the long term by the food he ate rather than any roughing up he received.
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Re: IRL Monoclegate?
« Reply #14 on: 18 Jul 2012, 09:58 »

He was likely injured more in the long term by the food he ate rather than any roughing up he received.

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