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[Lyn Farel]

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=112532&find=unread

Thumbs up for this debate. Maybe it is currently very inflammable, to say the least, but it has been a long time since intra factionnal conflicts emerged the last time.

It also comforts me considering that even if I was not sure if my OOC efforts to bring more conflict (while ICly thinking that pointing out disturbing facts about the Elders and the Republic would bring people to put things into perspective, which is kind of fun), it seems to go in the right direction OOCly.

[Mathra Hiede]

Honestly I am loving that thread right now, its just full of juicy RP sides to poke and prod.

As for inter-factional conflicts, its always good to see that not everyone agrees with everyone - in this specific case I am enjoying seeing how it turns out

[Malcolm Khross]

I agree, it's good to have internal and external conflict. Especially in a game that is built entirely upon conflict.

For the sake of realism, it is good to have those groups that are working toward peace and tolerance and cooperation. However, it is also good to have those groups working to keep the conflict going, if either side  were to disappear then the quality of RP drops substantially.

[Katrina Oniseki]

Reading the Murientor reponses makes me wonder what it would be like to RP a Katrina blinded by hate or the need for revenge. Seems like it would be fun, without being vulnerable to logic attacks. Hard to argue with someone under bloodlust!

[Malcolm Khross]

Reading the Murientor reponses makes me wonder what it would be like to RP a Katrina blinded by hate or the need for revenge. Seems like it would be fun, without being vulnerable to logic attacks. Hard to argue with someone under bloodlust!

This is basically the definition of zealotry.

I have to hand it to the Murientor Tribe, they're RPing very consistently with one another regarding their viewpoints on the Matari, the Empire, the "lost tribe" and so on.

They're every bit the zealots of the Empire, but for the Tribal Matar instead. Whereas they criticize the more understanding (and some would argue wise) approach of Skadii's Call or other independent capsuleers, you really need both viewpoints to keep RP realistic. Neither viewpoint is really "wrong" as you can back them both up with PF from different perspectives and neither is really "right." It's good to have that kind of dynamic.

Though I'd hate to see Kat go all blind zealot on me, Malcolm would be a sad panda.

[Silas Vitalia]

Wrong thread, fail post

[Casiella]

Agreed, Lyn, I was just thinking that last night. The thread is full of Minmatar characters disagreeing with each other in public, and that's healthy so that the faction doesn't become completely homogeneous.

[Louella Dougans]

i think this is why people miss the ingame news things.

the news would provide stuff for people to disagree about, and it's all official and stuff. whereas player made news, people sometimes go "nope, that didn't happen", which stops the disagreements.

[Kohiko Sun]

I don't think it ever went away as much as it went behind closed doors as FW dragged along. The Matari and Caldari types I usually see in RP have never stopped disagreeing among themselves out of the public eye, as in "not on IGS".

For the Caldari, it's almost always been done quietly because of the need to keep face; FW added more to that sense of appearing as a unified group even while the megacorps and factions still played dirty between themselves. The Matari circles I haunt IC have taken a similar tone of mostly choosing not to drag their dirty laundry out into public while definitely not agreeing on things.

It's a tricky thing to balance, like RPing (or being) a skilled thief who prefers to blend in instead of openly brag: if you do it smartly, no one knows you're doing it at all. But, if people don't know you're doing it, it's hard for them to participate and broader RP chances to come from it.

[orange]

For the Caldari, it's almost always been done quietly because of the need to keep face; FW added more to that sense of appearing as a unified group even while the megacorps and factions still played dirty between themselves. ...

For the Caldari it is definitely there.

I-RED & LDIS have had competing agendas for years,  to include the buying of shares of other Caldari corporations to acquire them (Ishukone vs Lai Dai).   This has included public debate over where development should occur (I-RED can hold it over LDIS this since LDIS joined 4TH and moved to Providence), the State, near-State space, or elsewhere about 2 or 3 years ago.  There is now the conflict of developing Providence vs working with the "3b!l" Amarrians who "swindled" I-RED.  There has been competing interest in other Caldari corps, to include using middlemen to buyout shares.

Yet in public (IGS) we tend to cheer each other on, congratulating each other on progress towards individual goals.

[Casiella]

* Casiella remembers a dispute about a 1 ISK bounty on the Minmatar Prime Minister.

[Gottii]

Oh man, if you dont think the Matar have intra-faction conflicts, ask a drunk EM diplomat at Fanfest sometime about the Great Wildlands. 

Hell, a good portion of the wars we've had (even with nominally non-RPing alliances) have been against other organizations claiming to support the Republic.  I regulary fly with former WTs in TLF fleets.

[Morwen Lagann]

Oh man, if you dont think the Matar have intra-faction conflicts, ask a drunk EM diplomat at Fanfest sometime about the Great Wildlands.

People in EVE have a bit of an agnostic view of things - pics or it didn't happen, proof or STFU, etc.

Given the Matari (RPers) seem to be more inclined than any other major empire group to do this shit quietly and not fap all over the IGS about it, this results in a combination of "lolwuddafukisthis" and "omgsomethingnew" responses whenever it does come up.

(The Amarr, Caldari and Gallente on the other hand...)

[Valdezi]

For the Caldari it is definitely there.

I-RED & LDIS have had competing agendas for years,  to include the buying of shares of other Caldari corporations to acquire them (Ishukone vs Lai Dai).   This has included public debate over where development should occur (I-RED can hold it over LDIS this since LDIS joined 4TH and moved to Providence), the State, near-State space, or elsewhere about 2 or 3 years ago.  There is now the conflict of developing Providence vs working with the "3b!l" Amarrians who "swindled" I-RED.  There has been competing interest in other Caldari corps, to include using middlemen to buyout shares.

Yet in public (IGS) we tend to cheer each other on, congratulating each other on progress towards individual goals.

I've always enjoyed the barely hidden rivalry between LDIS and I-RED. It makes for excellent threads full of subtext where one reads a great deal of things between the lines.

I've always thought the most sub-factional-group is Federal RP - most people involved spend more time disagreeing with each other than with outsiders.

[Matariki Rain]

I don't think it ever went away as much as it went behind closed doors as FW dragged along. The Matari and Caldari types I usually see in RP have never stopped disagreeing among themselves out of the public eye, as in "not on IGS".

[....] The Matari circles I haunt IC have taken a similar tone of mostly choosing not to drag their dirty laundry out into public while definitely not agreeing on things.

It's a tricky thing to balance, like RPing (or being) a skilled thief who prefers to blend in instead of openly brag: if you do it smartly, no one knows you're doing it at all. But, if people don't know you're doing it, it's hard for them to participate and broader RP chances to come from it.

Very much this. Which is as it should be, given the circumstances.

Edited to add that I've been loving the Murientor Tribe contributions in the current IGS Muck Raker thread, though.