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[Silas Vitalia]

This thread is about how we IC interpret the ability of criminal/heretical capsuleers to freely doc inside enemy territory / stations.

I'd like to hear your interpretations/thoughts on the subject, see where you all stand on the issues. I'll use my character since I won't speak for others.

The assumption I work under is that all four empires are CONCORD signatories, and have given up jurisdiction of capsuleers under certain circumstances.

IE even 'criminal' capsuleers can dock in their stations, and so long as they stay within CONCORD controlled capsuleer areas, they are 'off limits' to station and governmental personnel. 

I think there is a hard line however, once said criminal capsuleer leaves the 'safe' station areas or attempts to go baselining. 

So in my point of view an outed heretic like Silas better believe the Royal Khanid Navy or the Ministry of Internal Order has armed guards posted outside the capsuleer sections of any station Silas docks in, and would be more than happy to arrest her and whisk her away to some dungeon the minute she steps outside the 'protected' space.

High Sec Stations: As stated above
Low Sec Stations: Room to maneuver with enough bribery and necessity
Null Sec: No restrictions

High Sec Planets: Extremely difficult to go planetside without being very, very, very careful and taking severe risk of capture.
Low Sec Planets: Easily visitable with enough money to spread bribes/secrecy
Null: no restrictions


Big Quesion: Does this safety net extend to ship crews and capsuleer personal staff? If a known pirate docks in Jita and their crew goes to a local bar, do they all get arrested immediately for crimes against the State?

[Lyn Farel]

I agree.

[Chell Charon]

I would guess capsuleers crew are even better protected. (From authorized difficulties, anyway.) Just on the logic that having a capsuleer delay their departure due to missing crew member might prove, unpleasant.

I would imagine it is generally easier to start baselining in lowsec and then move into highsec as a 'baseliner'. Especially for those seeking to enter areas where local authorities would otherwise have guards waiting outside the capsuleer dedicated area?

Editing additional awsomeness: Actually, I would imagine a Sansha loyalist docking in Angel station in nullsec would do well to have their security crew extra alert for trouble. Even inside capsuleer dedicated areas.

[Aldrith Shutaq]

I'd really like to assume this is the case, and the EVElopedia page on baselining seems to suggest that capsuleers can be pursued by local governments if they so desire.

However, we all know the only people who have any power over capsuleers are other capsuleers... Watch yer backs, wretched scum of the cluster!

[Aria Jenneth]

Certain bits of "Jita 4-4" seem to implicitly back the notion of "backup" clones ("laughing all the way to the nearest clone bank" after offing some poor baseliner). If accurate, this would explain all sorts of things about capsuleer interactions with authorities.

1) Lethality - attempting to arrest capsuleers is likely to cost you agents (lost to any of a wide variety of automated personal security/murder devices) and lose you the capsuleer.

2) Viability of arrest - or lack thereof. Someone who can die with no more lasting ill effect than forgetting the last few hours is unlikely to be taken alive. False teeth full of something nasty is kickin' it old school; more likely forms of suicide would be explosive or nanite-based, and likely to trigger automatically should the capsuleer lose consciousness. The nastiest options are the ones that are either infectious or have a blast radius.

3) Mutuality of free-fire - capsuleers can get away with blowing vast numbers of baseliners to bits, and even empire-loyal capsuleers often do all sorts of nasty wetwork for their patrons. "Jita 4-4" strongly suggests that the legal framework that "shields" them from legal retribution also permits capsuleers to be killed immediately upon detection. It's not like they suffer lasting ill effects, anyway, and they're probably up to what local authorities would regard as "no good."

Taken together, I suspect that the local authorities will not attempt to arrest a capsuleer: the policy, regardless of sec status or affiliation, is likely shoot-to-kill, preferably in a way that will fire an EMP through the remains.

It's the only way to be sure.

[Morwen Lagann]

Certain bits of "Jita 4-4" seem to implicitly back the notion of "backup" clones ("laughing all the way to the nearest clone bank" after offing some poor baseliner). If accurate, this would explain all sorts of things about capsuleer interactions with authorities.

From the Fiction Portal:

The real value in Capsuleer AD&D insurance comes when capsuleers exit their pods and leave behind the capsule's unique cloning technology. While true that a capsuleer who perishes outside his pod can be resurrected through a process called soft-cloning, true death results if the backup clone is also destroyed in the same event, or prior to it. Additionally, soft-cloning is not instantaneous and the capsuleer will lose all memories and experience accrued since the last backup.

Soft-cloning was already heavily implied by the use of cloning prior to its 'marriage' to the capsule - it was just prohibitively expensive for people who weren't rich/powerful/influential. CCP just went and made it explicitly canon as a clarification. :p

[Aria Jenneth]

Ah-- thank you, Morwen. I like that terminology much better than "backup cloning."

In any case-- yeah, I don't see the authorities bothering with breaking out the wrist restraints under virtually any circumstances.

I'm imagining stationside security being armed with a variety of nifty weapons hailing from the "take 'em down hard, but don't go punching holes in the hull" school. Hollow-point slugs carrying a massive electrical charge, perhaps? A sort of low-velocity, high-voltage capacitor that discharges explosively on impact?

The sound effect that seems most appropriate, offhand, is a sort of "Blazap."

I bet the tech guys hate the results, unless the deck plating is extremely well-grounded.

... It probably is, come to that.

[Silas Vitalia]

I don't think many capsuleers would be interested in 'soft clone' backups, as there is no transfer of consciousness. You die, and someone else with your memories wakes up.  It's still death.

This would cut down on out of pod shenanigans.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

Speak for yourself! Tiberious gets regular soft-clone updates (every two weeks or so) just in case.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

See, the other benefit to Soft Clones in the RP sense is that they give you an out for whem some asshole decides to be a power-gaming god-modder, invite you to something out of pod, and then kill you'.

[Aldrith Shutaq]

I don't think many capsuleers would be interested in 'soft clone' backups, as there is no transfer of consciousness. You die, and someone else with your memories wakes up.  It's still death.

This would cut down on out of pod shenanigans.

I agree with Tib on this; the uncertainty a capsuleer faces outside the pod would probably prompt the vast majority to back themselves up on a regular basis, otherwise capsuleer assassination would be a big business.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

This doesn't even count whatever TS-F is doing to him, if anything.  I could see several OTHER backups being made of Tib just in case something happens to him.  We look out for Our People.

[Morwen Lagann]

Yeah, I'm with Tib and Ald here. Morwen does her backups regularly - typically once every week or two, and usually before traveling somewhere she believes there may be a higher risk than normal.

[Aria Jenneth]

Tib:

When someone godmods ...

Or when someone calmly explains to you that your character has just, intentionally or not, delivered an insult beyond all possible tolerance, you discuss your characters' relative capabilities and talents, and it is agreed that you would be killed.

... Yeah, considering the ambiguous nature of cloning in the first place, I don't think most capsuleers would be slowed down for more than a few minutes by the implications of a "backup."

Keeping some variety of log, probably auto-generated, for your backup to read in the event of its activation is probably considered good standard practice, though.

[Silas Vitalia]

Oh no, I mean I imagine all capsuleers keep quite up to date backups, but that doesn't change the fact that the backup is not -you. If you are killed out of pod your life, and consciousness are over, and a backup clone awakens, unlike pod-death, where the information is transmitted and there is no break in consciousness.