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[Gottii]

That said, I have to sort of smile at a Jamyl who isn't defined as being inhabited by an Other thingy/prone to spontaneous bouts of throwing-people-across-rooms/etc and who actually cares that there are people are out there dieing in a war.

What you didnt see is that she was on her way to a drug-fueled lesbian orgy.

[Nmaro Makari]

Just a few points

Soter Is indeed right that Capsule death OUTSIDE the capsule is not just a plug-in-and-rock-on affair. One of your soft clones can be activated, at the cost of alot of memories.

Why is the idea of Dusters significant and worth pointing out the immortality thing? Because capsuleers are very much one in a million, you have to have the genes for it. As far as I can tell, Dust tech can mean immortality for the average joe. Obviously, exluding the expense.

[Nmaro Makari]

Also, is one of those guys Mordu, or is he dead?

[Seriphyn]

I think the "omg immortal" is mostly to cater to a non-EVE audience who do not know anything about the lore atm.

[Esna Pitoojee]

If it was a Dust 514 trailer - marketed and labeled as such - I'd understand that, Seri. But it's "EVE Forever", first displayed at EVE fanfest...

[Myyona]

Also, is one of those guys Mordu, or is he dead?

Mordu is a capsuleer and a good example on what that means in regard to lifespan.

[Shae Tiann]

If it was a Dust 514 trailer - marketed and labeled as such - I'd understand that, Seri. But it's "EVE Forever", first displayed at EVE fanfest...

There's a reason for that. DUST is an extension of EVE. It's not a separate game, it cannot stand alone without EVE. Once it's released, the two games will be co-dependent as two aspects of one universe. The trailer is an advertisement for that co-dependent game-world, offering a glimpse of the larger picture for players of both games

[GoGo Yubari]

He has been traumatized by death so many times that he is completely incapable of regular human interaction ever again.

Hmm. Actually, why would death be traumatic in this case? It might not be more traumatic than blinking.

[orange]

He has been traumatized by death so many times that he is completely incapable of regular human interaction ever again.

Hmm. Actually, why would death be traumatic in this case? It might not be more traumatic than blinking.

I think this leads to a question of at what point does the implant/system consider you dead?  Cause it would suck to bleed out and then wake up.

[Julianus Soter]

He has been traumatized by death so many times that he is completely incapable of regular human interaction ever again.

Hmm. Actually, why would death be traumatic in this case? It might not be more traumatic than blinking.

I think this leads to a question of at what point does the implant/system consider you dead?  Cause it would suck to bleed out and then wake up.

As the various DUST chronicles have been discussing, if the soldier is incapacitated/unable to continue his duties, or otherwise stranded on a planet, then he must commit suicide.  If he is unconscious and yet still alive, I believe  a suicide-pill failsafe occurs.

[Bong-cha Jones]

But I had kindof the same feeling regarding their immortality. Though what annoyed me a little was more that capsuleers are just "standard" people that have a particular gene that allows them to use a piece of technology making them immortal when in capsule, but they rely on that tech to transfer their infomorph.

I think that the cloning tech isn't really the big deal with capsuleers.  The special gene is what lets the podder types interface with the complicated 'ship as body and third-person perspective' tech without turning into a useless catatonic the moment they unplug.  The flash-scan cloning tech is only a component of the capsule, and a non-critical one at that.  Using a hydrostatic capsule was a work around for insufficiently advanced death-detection technologies.  Presumably the recovered tech is, well, sufficiently advanced   Being clone capable still doesn't make one pod-capable, and the capsuleers unique place in the world is still retained.

[Lyn Farel]

For now, we have 2 possibilities to get cloned :

- The general soft clone application, available for everyone rich enough to afford it, at the cost of a certain amount of memory.

- The capsule flash scan, no loss of memory, but only available to capsuleers as it requires... a whole capsule compatible installation.


Then, unless I understood it wrong, the trailer shows us some old dude discovered in sleeper ruins that is supposed to be able to transfer his infomorph just like that to another body (with sleepers implants or whatever). Not that it is a big deal, but it annoys me a little when I compare it to the 2 other usual methods mentionned above. Especially regarding the fact this might be available to the common joe, as Nmaro said.

edit : also, this brings to another question that will inevitably come out in future RP interactions. I am pretty sure we will soon see capsuleers claiming to have this piece of technology and able to do the exact same thing than dust immortal soldiers. I have nothing against it, or at least I dont know what to think about it, but it definitly raises the whole question.

[Ollie]

But yeah, it is a bit gimmicky since one could argue that there might be - for the use in soldiers - a certain set of circumstances that would trigger the euthanazing instant-brain scan for quick redeployment. Saves on hospital costs, too. Loss of limb? Back to the clone vat!

I don't think there's any argument about it - "hot swaps" were established in the DUST 514 lore right from the very first DUST chronicle.

Stranded Pt 1

Hotswaps were common in areas of the galaxy where the fighting was particularly intense. There was seldom time to pack everything up. Far more efficient to redeploy on the frontlines and let the Reclaimers do the cleaning up. Somebody in operations would hit the kill switch and every clone keyed with the proper ident would drop dead where they stood. Seconds later they would wake up on the other side of the planet or half a galaxy away – the exact location seldom mattered anymore - ready to fight. This time Balac never made it.

I like the inhumanity of it and the idea of an instantly mobile army is cool too. Very sci-fi and very much EVE's (in)famous cold universe.

[Bong-cha Jones]

- The capsule flash scan, no loss of memory, but only available to capsuleers as it requires... a whole capsule compatible installation.

It's the hydrostatic capsule itself that is important to this, not the sophisticated transhuman plug-ins.  you could stick anybody into the capsule, plug them into the flash scanner and breach the egg, causing the nanites to kill them and the scanner to go off.  It's just... a lot of work for something that isn't any more useful than a soft clone.  The capsule insta-clone is only valuable if you were gonna be in the capsule anyways, but the mechanics are workable for anyone.

Again, the main problem with flash-scans outside the pod was that the scanner sucked at telling when people were actually dead, and would flash too late or too early.  The pod breach nanite trigger is a work-around, one that recovered Sleeper tech has made unnecessary.  Of course, for capsuleers, it ain't broke, so why fix it?

[Morwen Lagann]

Of course, for capsuleers, it ain't broke, so why fix it?

If the tech behind Dust soldiers' cloning is more reliable than the capsule scanner (which does fail a percentage of the time - 0.3% according to the article you linked), there's your reason right there. I don't have any "oops, someone biomassed" mails handy, but they do use "unfortunate cloning accidents" as the reason ingame - so, IC, it definitely does happen to us.

It's unfortunate that CCP Diagoras probably doesn't have logs that go back all the way to release (though I just asked on Twitter and will update if I can get numbers of some sort); it would be interesting to see exactly how many capsules have been destroyed, and what the theoretical number of failures would be based on that number - and then compare to the number of characters that have been biomassed over the years.