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[Seriphyn]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-16646880

18 luxury vehicles O_O

Pro-SOPA propaganda move? "Look at these people getting rich out of piracy when we don't have any compelling evidence about the damage piracy actually does"

However, money laundering and racketeering is some serious accusations...

[Senn Typhos]

IT BEGINS!

[Akrasjel Lanate]

OH gawd... USA land of opportunities

[Milo Caman]

Time to transfer all my hosting assets out of the US. Can't be dealing with this kind of thing.

[Seriphyn]

Funny how, as the report says, they have enough power already to shut down these sites.

So why is SOPA/PIPA needed?

Invoking my international political history knowledge here, I just think this is the US in its death throes of power (not that it would collapse, just decrease in stature). World is shifting to multipolar etc.

[Chell Charon]

Funny how, as the report says, they have enough power already to shut down these sites.

So why is SOPA/PIPA needed?

Invoking my international political history knowledge here, I just think this is the US in its death throes of power (not that it would collapse, just decrease in stature). World is shifting to multipolar etc.

Optimist.
Not commenting on power shift to multipolar, beyond that we are allready there as far as I can tell. I'm more of the opinion we are seeing the deteriation of citizen rights and freedoms in USA.

But, thats just me.

[lallara zhuul]

Was that the finnish flag flying at the manor?

[Lyn Farel]

I am unable to decide if I am happy that such garbage is being cleaned up or if I am happy that the internet is protesting against all these regressive powers.

Always weird to see all these idealists getting behind a guy that probably has never ever cared about their ideals, but about his own wallet.

Oh, and by the way, the guys at Rapidshare must be happy now. Moar market shares smiling at them.

[Milo Caman]

So why is SOPA/PIPA needed?

So they can censor sites that are not based in the US. It also adds a layer of legality to the whole thing. People are (slightly) less likely to call them out on it should they pass the law.

[Gottii]

SOPA is "postponed until a compromise has been reached".  Which generally means its going to sit in limbo and be quietly withdrawn without too much of a loss of political face.  It never really had much of a chance for passing, at least in its current form.

And the idea that the bill had really anything to do with this arrest by the US and NZ law enforcement rather ignores the reality of how long an international money laundering case takes to develop and investigate.  This case has been in the works for years, long before the SOPA bill was even presented.  Its just a coincidence.

[Senn Typhos]

The other thing you have to remember is, the people involved are totally inept.

That's not a quip about politicians, the head of the committee admitted he knows nothing about the internet, as did many members of the board, claiming they weren't "enough of nerds" to understand anything they were dealing with.

So in this case, it is literally the blind leading the blind. The bills were proposed and organized by individuals with no sense of even basic internet operations. You really can't expect them to develop a purposeful, efficient law against piracy, since they aren't even sure how the crime is committed.

[Lyn Farel]

Yeah well we already had (how many already ?) 394783834 law projects of that kind in Europe involving similar things and all ended up in limbo, more or less, or are never applied vOv

Storms in kettles.

[Seriphyn]

The other thing you have to remember is, the people involved are totally inept.

That's not a quip about politicians, the head of the committee admitted he knows nothing about the internet, as did many members of the board, claiming they weren't "enough of nerds" to understand anything they were dealing with.

So in this case, it is literally the blind leading the blind. The bills were proposed and organized by individuals with no sense of even basic internet operations. You really can't expect them to develop a purposeful, efficient law against piracy, since they aren't even sure how the crime is committed.

This is the problem with representative democracy (from an idealist perspective)...

You need experienced and mature individuals in the legislature, so that they may govern effectively. Be it businessmen, lawyers, charity tycoons, whatever; all of them must have 10-20 years experience in a field that would make them fit to represent.

But for them to be experienced, it means that they're all oldies, and thus out-of-touch with the younger generations. They don't know anything about this fancy-pancy Internets, but at the same time you can't have inexperienced 20-somethings in government either.

The problem will correct itself as this generation (born 1980 onwards) become the new leaders of society. The question is whether there'll be a new wave of technology that we'll all have become unfamiliar with, or will the foundations we have with this current gen of technology give us a platform of "transferable knowledge" for any future advances?

Alas, you can even see some of the grumpy conservatism towards generation gaps that aren't even 5 years apart yet. Just look on these forums; bitterness towards the new era of Michael Bay FPSs, "Games aren't as good as they used to be rabblerabble" etc.

It'll be curious to see.

[Lyn Farel]

Technocraties ftw.

[Senn Typhos]

The other thing you have to remember is, the people involved are totally inept.

That's not a quip about politicians, the head of the committee admitted he knows nothing about the internet, as did many members of the board, claiming they weren't "enough of nerds" to understand anything they were dealing with.

So in this case, it is literally the blind leading the blind. The bills were proposed and organized by individuals with no sense of even basic internet operations. You really can't expect them to develop a purposeful, efficient law against piracy, since they aren't even sure how the crime is committed.

This is the problem with representative democracy (from an idealist perspective)...

You need experienced and mature individuals in the legislature, so that they may govern effectively. Be it businessmen, lawyers, charity tycoons, whatever; all of them must have 10-20 years experience in a field that would make them fit to represent.

But for them to be experienced, it means that they're all oldies, and thus out-of-touch with the younger generations. They don't know anything about this fancy-pancy Internets, but at the same time you can't have inexperienced 20-somethings in government either.

The problem will correct itself as this generation (born 1980 onwards) become the new leaders of society. The question is whether there'll be a new wave of technology that we'll all have become unfamiliar with, or will the foundations we have with this current gen of technology give us a platform of "transferable knowledge" for any future advances?

Alas, you can even see some of the grumpy conservatism towards generation gaps that aren't even 5 years apart yet. Just look on these forums; bitterness towards the new era of Michael Bay FPSs, "Games aren't as good as they used to be rabblerabble" etc.

It'll be curious to see.

Well how hard would it have been for them to acquire information by asking literally anyone out of that age group? I understand the need for the "stuffy old gent" in the democratic process, but what would it have taken to get some "nerds" to answer their questions so they could make an informed decision?