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[Seriphyn]

Right, this has been bothering me and a few others for quite a while now. The Summit these days feels nothing more than an IC version of the OOC channel. No one actually wants to debate anything about the PF, mundane cultural tropes, and so forth.

Anyone who has interacted with me both IC and OOC knows full well that I have an interest in how all four factions interact with each other, and approach different matters. I wrote an entire piece about the Caldari Navy a while ago, and how a Caldari family goes shopping, despite being a Gallente RPer.

So, in the Summit, I seek to use Seriphyn to explore these mundane things with other characters. He might be abrasive, but if my OOC interest in the EVE fiction is anything to go by, he is also IC interested in his own off-hand fashion. The problem is, is that the vibe I get is that people are generally quite oversensitive, and always shout down Seriphyn for his abrasive nature etc etc. I mean, come across as a dick, it's not surprising, but the thing that stuck out to me today was when a character actually asked Seriphyn to be banned from the channel without breaking any rules, while the same character actually broke the rules by swearing and namecalling. This happens all the time; Seriphyn never swears at others or namecalls, yet other people do it all the time (And to each other).

From how I see things, I'm just using the channel as it is (the Summit, after all). But maybe I should just accept how it is these days. To give you an example of how it sometimes can be an RP'd version of OOC...

aaa > I just agreed to a 1v1
aaa > And the blob.
bbb > It was still 1v1.
bbb > 1blobv1notblob.

Character bbb in this instance, having asked them on the aside, actually mistook the Summit for the OOC channel. But yeah, point is, where did the PF debates go? Why is trying to stimulate an in-universe discussion not done anymore? I appreciate that Seriphyn comes across as jerky, but then that's rendered moot when other characters directly insult him with curse words and names, when he's never done any of the sort himself.

Putting my character on the aside completely, the problem still remains. Might be that whole "no new content from CCP" thing going on, but that's no excuse for players to not generate their own material through RP. That's what I'm trying to push for.

Of note on the general state of the Summit...someone said to me that the 11-year old Anette often outclasses a lot of the Summit inhabitants while still realistically acting like an 11-year old. Go figure.

[Desiderya]

Now, this might sound like an "urdoingitrong" post, but I try to view this from a distance and as objective as possible.

The Summit does feel like an OOC channel most of the times. There are a lot of internet memes going on ( banging head on table, facepalming so overused that it's not just happen to be the legitimate response to nonsense ) and the quality of the discussion is basically saying high, talking about what someone ate earlier and a lot of virtual hugging.
If someone comes in and gets a bit abrasive, provocative or not-treehuggerlike there's the autoresponse of "GTFO", not wanted here, ban him for being not nice.
If somehow an interesting discussion does take place it is usually met with a rather similar treatment - "no one wants to hear that", "isn't it enough already?" and so on. While this can be counted as RP the activities that follow will be focused about finding out the advantages of cookies over brownies or something similarily character driven.

[Kybernetes Moros]

I'd love to see more Summit discussions that incorporate the PF in some way. That doesn't mean consistent heavy-handed attempts at wedging it in, either, trying to force conversations about something else into the politics of the Amarr-Minmatar warzone, say, but something.

I was bemoaning it earlier, in fact; the Summit seems more like a place for cyclic "no u" from all sides of every fence rather than actual constructive RP that looks at how life for a capsuleer in New Eden (for whatever faction, or lack thereof) might be like. Kyber is in a somewhat awkward place to start it off -- fuck, even participate, sometimes -- in a sense that's comparable to Seriphyn(c)'s situation. Kyber can go from relatively gentle and easy-going to abrasive as all hell in the Summit's environment, which in this instance irritates him just as much as it saddens me, giving him, on occasion, something not unlike Seriphyn(c)'s issue. Add to that the perennial Nation arguments, and well. Perhaps that latter issue is because the Nation was the last "big" thing, Arek'jaalan aside.

To echo what I've said in reference to the NEA: new content from CCP is incidental. There is plenty of room in an entire star cluster n thousand years in the future for creative, vibrant and worldbuilding RP that uses EVE's setting to its full potential.

tl;dr: "Summit RP is getting depressingly tedious; what gives."

If somehow an interesting discussion does take place it is usually met with a rather similar treatment - "no one wants to hear that", "isn't it enough already?"

Because, chances are, it has been done a thousand times in that channel. Entirely new conversations in the Summit are something I only see intermittently, now, so what might be interesting for some is as repetitious as it gets for others. Refer to the above for attempts to try and shove it in a new direction, and add to it others coming in to derail the topic, intentionally or otherwise.

[Lyn Farel]

As much as I understand and share your concerns  - I almost never RP on this channel, I find it so dull to begin with, for all the reasons you stated above - you might consider that if the Summit is that way, it is also because people want it that way. If you force people to change to the RP you are looking for - and I am looking for too - 80% of the folks here may leave because thats not the RP they are looking for. A lot of RPers are actually pleased to RP that way on the Summit from what it seems to me.

On another note, except very few players like Seri, nobody tries to do something or speak about something relevant or interesting. Most of us are just silent like graves, myself included. At the contrary of all the people happyhugging or insulting each other with the kind of RP you seem to point out. So I do think that either we try to find interesting stuff to force into that channel until it is accepted and liked, or either we use other channels (or either we continue to create nothing).

Main problem with that community is that its not really a community. Besides backstage, there is nothing, everyone RP in his little corner with a handful of friends.

[lallara zhuul]

You could try to get back the faction channels.

The Amarr one has always been more or less RP lite.

[Kiki Truzhari]

Seeing how as I'm slightly responsible for this topic existing, I thought I'd jump in.

The person who was name calling Seri was me, however, and Seri, if that's not what you were trying to convey, then I'm sorry but that's how it came across.

(as a note I'm using Seriphyn to refer to the character and Seri to refer to the player)

Seriphyn was basically attacking random points of Caldari culture that he disagreed with ICly, when people tried to respond to his points, he'd immediately jump to another point of contention. This irritated kiki immensely because he seemed to be making really childish ad hominem attacks and generally just being a jackass. Eventually she called him out on it and called him a bitch.

Now: The Summit as I see it, is a communications forum for people of differing political associations, as well as being a generalized central comms channel for capsuleers. Its a place for people to talk, get to know each other, talk to factions they normally wouldn't, and in general it functions as a rather decent chat hub.

what Seriphyn was doing was coming in and acting all morally superior, picking holes in parts of a culture he didn't like, for no other reason then that he felt like being a jackass and pissing people off. This wasn't intelligent, intellectual debate, which does happen there on a fairly regular basis, maybe just not ones that you Seri, want to talk about.

[Senn Typhos]

Consider this depressing assessment.

Most RPers fall into the categories of either:
1). Iconoclasts for the sake of being iconoclasts.
2). Nationalists with little tolerance, if any, for discourse with enemies of their ideals.
3). Pirates who have nothing to gain from discussion in channels like the Summit.

See the problem?

[Ulphus]

In some ways I think some of what Seri is looking for is a casualty of FW. before there was a war, I could see there being friendly or even pointed discussions about cultural oddities. Once there is war, it's very difficult to have a warm friendly conversation with "the enemy".

From having similar conversations IRL over various networks, it can occasionally be very interesting to have cultural discussions about the differences, but quite often it can disintegrate into real unpleasantness about such subjects as what your president is doing, and what our socialistic health service is doing. Even amongst people I otherwise get on with really well, there are subjects that I don't raise.

On the Summit? With people from widely different cultures who actively dislike each other? The only way to have polite conversation seems to me to avoid some topics like the plague.

[orange]

Why would infomorphes discuss the factual eccentricities (Prime Fiction) of any topic?

Why would someone who can look-up a wikipedia-esque entries in their brain and then digest the reference material in a matter of seconds have a conversation with another such being?  Perhaps they are interested in the other's opinion, but then they should be working from the same set of facts (PF).

Should the Summit even exist in-character?  Or is it an Out-of-Character artifact?  Do the major 0.0 alliances (capsuleer factions) have a similar channel?  Why would the capsuleers representing the multitude of factions of humanity have such a channel?

[Gottii]

Well, regarding the thread title

1.) Yes I care about IC discussions about PF.  I do it quite often.

2.) I just feel that the Summit is an unrealistic, clumsy and generally non entertaining way of discussing PF.   Its not fun RP for me.

I'm hardly alone in this.

[Verone]

Well, regarding the thread title

1.) Yes I care about IC discussions about PF.  I do it quite often.

2.) I just feel that the Summit is an unrealistic, clumsy and generally non entertaining way of discussing PF.   Its not fun RP for me.

I'm hardly alone in this.

This, especially when more often than not there are people who're there just to piss take and troll, and there are nowhere near enough moderators to cover time zones, with the vast majority of (all three of) them being AFK or unresponsive for most of their time there.

[Shae Tiann]

I only ever interact in the Summit when there's someone in there worth interacting with. I don't mean this personally to anyone, but there are a number of RPers who simply strike a bad chord with me, for any number of reasons I won't go into here. I prefer to use the channel to chat in character: simple character interaction and development without having to devote the energy required for baRP.

Debating isn't my cup of tea. The mere word "debate" indicates to me that there is competition involved; a drive to prove oneself Right in front of everyone else. A nice goal, but not for me, because I don't actually care about being Right as much as I care about having fun.

[Tiberious Thessalonia]

Well, regarding the thread title

1.) Yes I care about IC discussions about PF.  I do it quite often.

2.) I just feel that the Summit is an unrealistic, clumsy and generally non entertaining way of discussing PF.   Its not fun RP for me.

I'm hardly alone in this.

This, especially when more often than not there are people who're there just to piss take and troll, and there are nowhere near enough moderators to cover time zones, with the vast majority of (all three of) them being AFK or unresponsive for most of their time there.

I hope I don't give this impression.  I'm almost always paying attention, and I am always open to being poked, even if I am at work.  I can't obviously take any ACTION when I am at work, but if I have logs I can deal with it when I get home.

When I am on, I am paying attention, though.

[Mitara Newelle]

Virtual hugging?  If Mitty is doing that in there someone please slap me.

[Techie Kanenald]

Coming from someone on the new end of things (less than a year)

I barely spend a minute in The Summit, just to see if it's changed.

It hasn't.

I keep looking for active RP channels, and though we have a very nice list going...they're all silent.

if anyone actually wants to start up a place to discuss RP in EVE in a neutral IC environment that isn't about lurking, please contact Techie Kanenald....I'd be interested.

This world is seriously too beautiful to give up on RP....but I'm very, very close.