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[Mizhara]

Hmm... regarding that last post on IGS...

Isn't that a bit unfair? I mean, just completely out of the blue with not a single mechanic to support it in-game, invent the enslavement of the local populations and so on. Does that in turn justify me cloaking in the system for a week and claim I'm freeing thousands of slaves every day?

[Silas Vitalia]

Actually it's quite justified and I've had quite a few ooc conversations with a lot of others regarding this. We own the systems, we worked for it, fought for them for months, our name is on the sovereignty, they are 'ours' to do as we please, especially in an RP sense. I own the station in A-2, I could call it 'slave internment camp' if we wanted to

I would never make such a claim anywhere in empire or really even in low-sec, where empires are in control and those sorts of things would be a bit of a stretch.  I'm generally super-careful to only make claims that are backed up in-game. So if my alliance is on the ticker in space, it's my system. 

I think you all could also make reasonable claims that any of our ships you destroy, especially ratters, etc, you made efforts to swoop in and pick up survivors, etc.

Your kills are yours to do with RP wise as you see fit.

[Silas Vitalia]

I'll add that we've been pretty consistent with this from the time we entered null-sec. There was quite a bit of "crushing our enemies and hearing the lamentations of their women" when we took these systems by force, and I've always kept our RP strictly in line with our gains and losses in the area.  When we win space, we win space, and when we lose, we lose, and I reflect that.


 

[Silas Vitalia]

In the same sense, if you crush one of our fleets in space, you would absolutely be justified in saying you scooped up a few thousand slave crew and absconded with them to freedom, how could we deny this if you hold the field and loot our wrecks, etc?

[Mizhara]

Not sure I like that you have to pull in massive amounts of non-RPers and start wrestling Sovereignty out of the hands of other nullsec alliances to be able to power RP like that. I understand your viewpoint, but it's not something I'll be involved in myself. Hmm. Maybe I'll have a character join the NC or DRF, claiming to have freed all slaves from all those systems.

[Silas Vitalia]

Not sure I like that you have to pull in massive amounts of non-RPers and start wrestling Sovereignty out of the hands of other nullsec alliances to be able to power RP like that. I understand your viewpoint, but it's not something I'll be involved in myself. Hmm. Maybe I'll have a character join the NC or DRF, claiming to have freed all slaves from all those systems.

No offense here, seriously, as I think we're all on the same team ooc, but:

For good or bad I have -always- consistently reflected my IC goings on with in-game goings on. Win or lose, good or bad.

If I've spent the last several months toiling away, dealing with interpersonal drama, holding a coalition together, fighting a lot of people, putting out drama fires daily, you better believe I'm going to reflect our successes RP-wise.

Mechanics wise it -also- feel completely justified. If I own the system, build our own stations, own all the infrastructure, have hundreds of capsuleers under our banner, it's not even a remote stretch to imagine the planets below are -completely- under our rule.

I would never, ever fly into Matari space and claim to have landed a raiding crew on one of your planets and left with captives, because it doesn't pass the believability test. 

Ignoring your sarcasm, yes, if you are in a leadership position with the DRF and you own those systems I'd have absolutely no issues with you setting up an egalitarian free-loving society of Matari tribes.

[Silas Vitalia]

I'd also refrain from using 'power RP' as that's a bit unfair.  I'm not a 3-week old noob flying an ibus claiming to have done anything meaningful, I'm several years in game and an FC for hundreds of people that own most of a 0.0 region. 

Not to sound like too much of a jerk, but my guys have earned it with a lot of hard work.

[Casiella]

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