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[Saede Riordan]

* Graanvlokkie reads the OP again.

Comment related to the OP.

It is stated that the toon is an RP toon, and has no skill point training, but the toon is a RP hacker ... a hacker with no skill points in hacking? Is it not like making a new toon and saying it it a titan pilot who is admired in New Eden for his exploits?

There are mechanics regulating all of this, piloting, hacking AND locating people. Personally I feel if something is specifically regulated by the mechanics, thats the way it should be done.

You cant RP that ypur POS took months to deploy, when the mechanics say it wasnt? 

But what's the point of this? What's the point of training up a chraracter in hacking I never intend to hack with in the game mechanic sense? It doesn't add anything to the RP, it just makes it less fun and more tedious for the player.

[Seriphyn]

I think it's "put up and shut up" mentality. I'm not sure if "because it's not fun and it's tedious" is an excuse for this. If you want to claim you've got an advanced planetary network, then you should really have one. It's different from the esoteric elements on EVE RP, because "Hacking" is an actual in-game skill.

[Saede Riordan]

I think it's "put up and shut up" mentality. I'm not sure if "because it's not fun and it's tedious" is an excuse for this. If you want to claim you've got an advanced planetary network, then you should really have one. It's different from the esoteric elements on EVE RP, because "Hacking" is an actual in-game skill.

races are an ingame mechanic as well, does that mean we can't claim to play mixed race characters or characters of bloodlines that don't appear in the actual game?

[Invelious]

I think it's "put up and shut up" mentality. I'm not sure if "because it's not fun and it's tedious" is an excuse for this. If you want to claim you've got an advanced planetary network, then you should really have one. It's different from the esoteric elements on EVE RP, because "Hacking" is an actual in-game skill.

races are an ingame mechanic as well, does that mean we can't claim to play mixed race characters or characters of bloodlines that don't appear in the actual game?

They cant breed, based on genetics.  

[Casiella]

Speaking for no one but myself, I do train up specialized alts when needed.

Actually, what I do now is engage other player characters (hire a hacker). Because just creating a throwaway alt doesn't do anything for my RP, either.

[Vieve]

They cant breed, based on genetics.  

Somebody needs to have a chat with some PF authors, then.   

Off the top of my head, I remember that mixed race people are at least mentioned in The Better Part of Valor, and I think there might be others.  Then there's the example of the Sarpati family.  Salvador was adopted by a Gallente father -- but his sister Santimona is Ni-Kunni (and there's no mention as to if she was also adopted).

[Casiella]

I'm pretty sure Invelious was joking, but just in case: 20,000 years of genetic drift is nowhere near enough to lead to speciation.

[Louella Dougans]

"i'm a mighty space pilot" - when the character can only pilot t1 frigates.
"I'm a skilled hacker" - when the character cannot even use a t1 codebreaker.

I don't see how a particularly large difference between those two scenarios.

[Saede Riordan]

it deals with the willing suspension of disbelief.

I'm willing to RP with characters who are rogue drones despite the lack of mechanics for it and the fact a large portion of people are just saying they're delusional. Or characters that aren't capsuleers. Yes, I'm aware of the fact that according to game mechanics these characters are technically capsuleers, but can't that be set aside for the sake of telling a good story? For the sake of fun?
Yes, I could train up this alt with a skill it will never actually use for the sake of realism no one will benefit from. But what's the point? Why should I force myself to do that when it serves no functional purpose?

[Morwen Lagann]

Personally, i believe there is no real problem with using a locator agent on an alt, or having someone else run them for you. 'friend of a friend' and all that.

This. It's one thing for an alt to go do the locator-agenting for the main (or another alt) if you're too lazy to go there yourself and do it, because you can always fudge any IC interactions behind the scenes later if it comes up. For example, Morwen and Naoko have access to similar locator agents. Morwen can't fly in highsec, but Naoko can access those locators for her. So, either Morwen asks Naoko to do a check for her, or I can theoretically fudge something with Morwen going in person given her habit of running around on foot. As I generally don't use locators, I haven't really had to worry about this sort of thing on a personal level yet.

The issue that brought this up, Nikita, was that you wanted something done IC, but out of a combination of alt-lacking-skills, laziness and/or time constraints, you went around asking people OOC - specifically asking people who would, bluntly, not want to perform this service for a Cartel loyalist.

If you wanted it done IC, you should have contacted people IC, or at least talked OOC with people who have characters who would have been open to prodding one of their locator agents for Nikita.

[Z.Sinraali]

For me, avoiding this discussion over whether one should or shouldn't train Hacking would be a perfectly sufficient reason to train Hacking.

[Casiella]

Nikita, given that perspective, how does using an unskilled alt of your own add to the RP?

[Saede Riordan]

Nikita, given that perspective, how does using an unskilled alt of your own add to the RP?

Well, Its not a sock puppet, the alt in question isn't adding at all to Nikita's RP, she's completely on her own, and just for fun...by that same token, she's on Nikita's account, which means I can't skill her up without halting skilling Nikita, and since I have no intent to use this character for anything other then RP, I don't see the need to skill her.

[Louella Dougans]

Well, Its not a sock puppet, the alt in question isn't adding at all to Nikita's RP, she's completely on her own, and just for fun...by that same token, she's on Nikita's account, which means I can't skill her up without halting skilling Nikita, and since I have no intent to use this character for anything other then RP, I don't see the need to skill her.

Example: I have an alt character who I use for occasional scouting

Scouting is adding to someone else's RP.
What alt is it anyway? Arci Arratece who you use to back up your points on various threads on the official forums?

But what's the point? Why should I force myself to do that when it serves no functional purpose?

What is the point of training for t2 frigates when it's "more fun" to just RP things about being a frigate pilot?

Simple answer, is that you are interacting with other characters, not just your own. The game universe does not revolve around any single player.

You are doing other players a huge disservice.

[Vincent Pryce]

They started and then cancelled that exact projection, Invelious.

   someone call whitewolf. I love the D10 dot system.

They did that too and cancelled it too.