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[Gaven Lok ri]

You might look to Ardishapur aligned families, since we know they are extremely active in missionary work.

[Steffanie Saissore]

Just throwing in my two cents here, but the one thing I've felt about Amarr is that it is very much a Church-state. In a way it reminds me very much of the State of Menoth in the Iron Kingdom setting for Warmachine. Not sure which came first, but there does seem to be similarities between the two where there is a very aggressive push to return everyone to the worship of the one 'true' God.

I've stayed away from trying to play an Amarr because there just seems to be a combination of a lot of read and know before getting into it and having to fish through the EVE wiki is at times a frustrating effort from my point of view. Also, I tend to be a little stand-offish when it comes to strong religious overtures in games...being religious myself I'm not quite sure how to feel about some of the approaches to it in games. That said, I'm pretty easygoing and have interacted with several Amarr players.

[Lyn Farel]

Vic, the issue is that we don't know who appoints bishops and priests, or at least I have yet to find anything on the matter... Is it the Holder ? Or the TC ?

The TC does not look like such a monstruous gigantic entity, they are mostly concerned about scriptures... Imagine if they had to appoint trillions of priests for every amarrian town, and millions of bishops... That's properly huge, probably rivaling the gigantic civil service itself. I don't really believe in that.

But eventually, we don't know, so... vOv

[Vic Van Meter]

I guess it really doesn't make a huge difference, Lyn, who made him a bishop.  Either the TC or a high level Holder probably has the ability to get him in trouble if he actually registers on their radar, so both could make his life difficult.  It isn't a bad idea to look into the larger Holder society.  I've been playing him as sort of distant from all of that, but it might give me another facet to work an angle from.

As for Steff,  I'm also a fairly religious person, but I've got a really bad opinion of churches (that gets complicated).  I'd say that if you want to play an Amarr, just jump in.  For all the back and forth going on here, very few people have brought it up IC and the only one of those that was Amarrian was Slaver Filth (who would have questioned Constantin's background even if he was airtight, it's just the character).  The Amarrians ICly tend to debate and wax lyrical on Scripture and religion fairly harmoniously, considering we don't really have much more than a handful of quotes from their massive volumes of Scripture.  You don't need to read too much.  Just about the Holders, Privy Council, Theology Council, Moral Reforms, and of course Amarr Empire.  I went as in-depth as I could looking through EVElopedia, but if I'd known what to look for it would have taken me about a half hour to get all the necessary information.

Just try not to step on too many toes and remember that the Amarrian faith isn't an IRL faith per se.  I think if you want to play Amarr, having a background in IRL faith will help you by giving you a lot of perspective on how religion really plays a role in your life.  It will definitely help you play the character organically rather than as a caricature of how someone might think a religious person thinks.

[Lyn Farel]

I've stayed away from trying to play an Amarr because there just seems to be a combination of a lot of read and know before getting into it and having to fish through the EVE wiki is at times a frustrating effort from my point of view. Also, I tend to be a little stand-offish when it comes to strong religious overtures in games...being religious myself I'm not quite sure how to feel about some of the approaches to it in games. That said, I'm pretty easygoing and have interacted with several Amarr players.

That's why I occasionally try to make threads like this to collect the really important or significant bits of PF that are hidden in walls of texts on the evelopedia. The Amarr Empire has always been very detailed compared to the other factions, and the benefits of that come at a cost.

[Gaven Lok ri]

Going to comment that its not *always* been that detailed. When I started playing Amarr was no where near so detailed.

What is interesting is that Amarr doctrine development is that it has been as a direct result of IC and OOC controversies. Things only get ironed out and fleshed out as they become issues either IC or OOC and people start arguing for them.

So, taking this recent discussion, no one has ever ironed out who appoints clergy with the exception of whoever invented the Apostles Clerics. It is only when we talk about it and ask the question of "is the TC such a monstrous gigantic entity or not?" that we come to a conclusion as to whether or not it is the body appointing the clergy. I prefer models where it is not such a gigantic entity mainly because I don't see why the holders would cede that authority over their own subjects unless they were forced to, but I am not working directly from PF on this point.

This gets to a methodology issue: I actually find the conclusions that RPers come to as a community to be much more authoritative and less prone to being changed by someone's whim, as a rule, than the PF. I didn't always think like this, but the constantly changing fiction heads for CCP means that the communities constructions have been more internally consistent than the official fiction, and in many cases have become PF.

I still wish all of the Wiki and other OOC information about the setting would have an IC source attached. It is much harder to deal with OOC info-dumps that contradict each other than it is to deal with IC info-dumps that contradict each other.

[Lyn Farel]

Well yes, I remember. Though all factions were like that, without all the infodumps. Amarr still had a lot of info on it's overall structure and hierarchy though. The focus was on other things for the other factions.