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Title: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 30 Nov 2015, 14:36
Healthy people avoid this sick community.  There is plenty going on in the eve community but the 'progressive' mod team ooc/back stage chase away the exceptional, creative, and healthy people because because they don't conform to the approved group think.    Turns out when you censor anyone for thinking outside of the box, the people who think outside the box leave.      -Grayson.

http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5097.msg82197#msg82197
Let me make sure I got this right:

You're linking a thread in which the mod team's first reply is precisely about trying to preserve an atmosphere in which people with out-of-the-box ideas can communicate this without fear of disparagement... in support of your supposition that we as a team stifle same.

c/d?

fakeedit:  I've re-read the entire first page of that thread, and nothing there points to the mod team chasing away exceptional or creative posters OR allowing the community to do so, because said posters don't conform to some 'approved group think'.

I don't know what you're on about.

I think it is more likely that he meant this thread: http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6607.0

I mean the title is even censorship.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 30 Nov 2015, 14:46

You're linking a thread in which the mod team's first reply is precisely about trying to preserve an atmosphere in which people with out-of-the-box ideas can communicate this without fear of disparagement...

Lets try this out: Lets take Lyns comment from the sexism thread:

http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5683.msg94048#msg94048
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I'm not even going to get bogged down into the main thread/argument because honestly, I don't want to start an endless drama. I believe in what she says, and strongly agree with most of what she points out, and that both as a gamer and as a game developer myself. I also happen to believe that the con artists are the people campaigning against her on the internet. I have watched tons of videos of counter criticism directed at her, and most of them are just wretched losers trying to speak at her level and using so many sophisms and bad faith that it's just nauseous.

I just am unable to understand why people take issue with her. She talks perfect common sense to me.

Okay to make this short:

If you believe that experiencing misogynistic behavior in a video-game, leads to misogynistic behavior in the real world, than YOU have to proof this? I hope this isnt to hard to understand....
Next thing: Social sciences have shown again and again, that violence in a medium, TV, Film, games, does NOT lead to a certain behavior. WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT MISOGYNY does? Just because Anita said: "the more you think you cannot be affected, the more likely you are to be affected." Does not mean it is true. I hope this is not to hard to understand? Or even shorter: Whats makes you think that fiction makes reality (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COdaUQQWsAA05Hh.png:large)?


I think with this few questions and comments can we test the mod team.  :P
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 30 Nov 2015, 18:32
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Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Mizhara on 30 Nov 2015, 18:46
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Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 30 Nov 2015, 18:50
Even the primary active moderator is wondering what is being smoked and why it isn't being shared with everyone else.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 30 Nov 2015, 19:05
Even the primary active moderator is wondering what is being smoked and why it isn't being shared with everyone else.

The question is... why was purple thread kat...atacomb?
I see just as much nonsense in the thread linked earlier... the Katacombed thread one.....
As I see in that one with those feminist like Silas and Lyn.

I mean in end of the day... MRA nonsense is the same as feminist nonsense? Or those one shit stink less?

Because the same critique point could be thrown on other people. But those people and thread got no penalty.


By the way... on the topic penalty: http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6934.0
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 30 Nov 2015, 19:10
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Do you have a question?



As why I have comment on this thread? I think purple has as valid a chance to say his stick as you? Or what is your opinion on it?

I mean.... Lets imagine Publius would be here.... he would ask you: "are you a moron or a anti-relgious nutter." As you clearly have not understood the critique which Mithra and Valerius brought forward: http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5913.90

But in the end of the day your nonsense that religions are the reason for violence was not moderated. Why? I mean. It is as Mithra mention crazy. You cant see in peoples mind, it is a black box (with the sciences of today).




to preserve an atmosphere in which people with out-of-the-box ideas can communicate this without fear of disparagement..

Those this count also for purple?
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: purple on 30 Nov 2015, 19:49
Even the primary active moderator is wondering what is being smoked and why it isn't being shared with everyone else.

Critical thinking, reason, logic, ethics and general human decency.   The mod teams especially harsh on that last one though  - so be mindful before you light up.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Mizhara on 30 Nov 2015, 20:09
[Citation Needed]
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: purple on 30 Nov 2015, 20:27
[Citation Needed]

http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Mizhara on 30 Nov 2015, 20:31
Read it. Doesn't support your claims. Needs direct quotation, I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 30 Nov 2015, 23:31
I'm going to chalk this up to a language barrier combined with poor use of Google translate, because the guy's making absolutely zero sense to me beyond vague notions, which is the point I was driving at.

As for Publius, not sure I can state exactly why he got perma'd in the end (without permission from Silver, anyway) but I will tell you that the primary reason wasn't exactly his "pulling a Mithra" comments, and wasn't really related to any post of his in particular.

All of this seems to be a bit of a diversion from the subject of the thread, I note.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 30 Nov 2015, 23:52
I'm going to chalk this up to a language barrier combined with poor use of Google translate, because the guy's making absolutely zero sense to me beyond vague notions, which is the point I was driving at.

The question is easy.... Is MRA nonsense different from feminist nonsense in this forum? This can not be that hard? I mean really? As the two links show that feminist nonsense does not get moderated but MRA nonsense. Which lets me ask why?

By the way ..... not understand is not an excuse. Publius had let such things slit. But me? I see a micro-aggression in it. So I hope in the future you JUST ASK, instead of assuming that you are right by default. It can be that hard?

As for Publius, not sure I can state exactly why he got perma'd in the end (without permission from Silver, anyway) but I will tell you that the primary reason wasn't exactly his "pulling a Mithra" comments, and wasn't really related to any post of his in particular.
This was the reason. He said... "doing a mithra", and he got permanent banned for this. He has the mail, and I have seen it too. Sorry. But you are lying. It was that easy.

By the way, does it mean he can come back? He would love to tell some people some things. I think, he would love to tell you and others what he thinks. If this isnt possible, I would love to hear what was the reason. As he told me, that he would love to heard it.

Anyway what the final reason was for his ban, can I hope that you people use the same judgement on others? I would love to see some people permanent banned. Or Publius de-banned. Because as I said, I would love to hear what he as to say about you Morwen.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 01 Dec 2015, 00:10
"Feminist nonsense" will get slapped around just as fucking hard as anything else when people start attacking each other directly instead of the arguments and ideas posed. As will discussions regarding other sensitive subjects such as religion and politics. If people can't stick to keeping their punches above the belt and aimed at the words being posted and not the people posting them, then moderators will take action.

As for the reasons behind Publius' ban, as one person who put the ban into the system, you can take your accusation that I am a liar and shove it right up your ass. It was one straw among far too many upon a camel's back, and he is, to date, the only person who has had to be banned for the particular behavior that caused the moderation team to make the decision to ban him in the first place, because nobody else is inclined to follow his poor example. It was not his comments about "pulling a Mithra." For clarification, since it might have gone over your head: we include examples of recent poor behavior when we send a user a PM explaining why they are having their posting rights revoked. It does not mean that those posts are the sole reason for the ban. In Publius' specific case, it was a long-ongoing pattern of behavior coupled with the opportunity to enact a standing order regarding that behavior.

I also, for the record, give zero fucks about whatever ingame mails he may or may not have received from "anonymous" alts - in fact, as I am neither a CCP employee nor ISD volunteer, and they are ingame mails and therefore entirely outside of my jurisdiction, I am actually obligated to give precisely zero fucks. Now, if they were PMs on this forum it'd be another matter entirely - but in case it wasn't obvious, you can't actually send a PM to a user whose account has been deleted.

Not to mention the notion that anyone but you, yourself, can get you banned from Backstage through their own actions, is pretty hilarious - and wrong.

And again, this is entirely off-topic from the thread at hand.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 01 Dec 2015, 00:22
"Feminist nonsense" will get slapped around just as fucking hard as anything else when people start attacking each other directly instead of the arguments and ideas posed. As will discussions regarding other sensitive subjects such as religion and politics. If people can't stick to keeping their punches above the belt and aimed at the words being posted and not the people posting them, then moderators will take action.


Good,good.

, you can take your accusation that I am a liar and shove it right up your ass.

Nice under the belt hit.

. If people can't stick to keeping their punches above the belt and aimed at the words being posted and not the people posting them, then moderators will take action.


Ehm will moderators take action now?


I also, for the record, give zero fucks about whatever ingame mails he may or may not have received from "anonymous" alts - in fact, as I am neither a CCP employee nor ISD volunteer, and they are ingame mails and therefore entirely outside of my jurisdiction, I am actually obligated to give precisely zero fucks. Now, if they were PMs on this forum it'd be another matter entirely - but in case it wasn't obvious, you can't actually send a PM to a user whose account has been deleted.

Not to mention the notion that anyone but you, yourself, can get you banned from Backstage through their own actions, is pretty hilarious - and wrong.

No, it was on the game only. And yes, it means you can give zero fuck. By the way, the mails were in the other thread just an off topic comment about some people and their behavior.


Anyway, what was the final reason. Because he said he got the mail. And the mail clearly said: Because of that he said "doing a mithra" in the this comment: http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5913.msg98294#msg98294



So anyway.... What was then the final reason?
As for the reasons behind Publius' ban, as one person who put the ban into the system, you can take your accusation that I am a liar and shove it right up your ass.

THEN... YOU can tell what the reason was, because it would be great to know and I could then tell it to him.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 01 Dec 2015, 00:38
You accused me of being a liar about something I have intimate, first-hand knowledge of. It is not "below the belt" for me to tell you to take that false accusation and shove it up your ass.

Perhaps you should ask exactly what it was he continued to do after he was warned the first several times for poor behavior, in addition to continuing to post in precisely the same manner as he was being warned for. I get the feeling 'he' has not told you all the details.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 01 Dec 2015, 00:50
You accused me of being a liar about something I have intimate, first-hand knowledge of. It is not "below the belt" for me to tell you to take that false accusation and shove it up your ass.

Perhaps you should ask exactly what it was he continued to do after he was warned the first several times for poor behavior, in addition to continuing to post in precisely the same manner as he was being warned for. I get the feeling 'he' has not told you all the details.

NO. So again.... What was the final reason?.... What was this behavior you speak off? This "poor behavior, in addition to continuing to post in precisely the same manner as he was being warned for." What was it?
Because it was few days later....after he made the post above... that he was banned... and I cant see any misbehavior. Or repeated dis-behavior? The link above was his second to last comment... and the last was in the Funke thread. http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=5913.msg98294#msg98294


So can you tell me what he repeated did? And can you show me the post. It would be great. It would be really great, because as I said: I had seen the mail too...

And If the person was you.... then you know you what you said, it was because of the "doing a mothra" comment.


Anyway.... As I said already. If it was repeated you can then exactly show me the last or second to last comment which then leaded to the ban. It can not be that hard?.... Like something like: The comment here: [link] lead to the ban in the 26 Jun 2014.


It would be great to have a example for this "poor behavior, in addition to continuing to post in precisely the same manner as he was being warned for." Because, as I said in the other thread. It would be great to have an example, so that I can use it that other people get permanent banned. Or even moderators. 
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 01 Dec 2015, 01:47
The obvious solution, of course, is to just have more people stepping up and creating content.


That would be great. I heard some people do this. I mean stepping up. And they then got hate-mails for doing so. Even one from a certain moderator..... That this one content creater would destroy amarr RP. I can imagine funnier things then to log in, and to read a message which includes almost everything of short "plz kill yourself".
I mean a person which sends such a mail must be really an asshole. Even more, that the only reason was that person created content which the person does not like? Or was there even more? Thats a sad state. Very sad.

Even more. If we imagine that this content creator never interacted with that moderator, never was he in a event were this moderator was. Still this guy, must have really hated that content and the person .....   

And that one person (that moderator) even badmouth this content creater in a chat.... as I was told.... Sad times we have, sad times... Anyway, why was Publius banned again? You still have not told me the reason. I get the feeling from the comments in the other thread you hated him really deep. Yeah. I get really this feeling.

I never saw this content creater interact much with the RP community.... He really mostly created and consumed very little. I mean. I know, this guy which literary had mostly zero RP with the larger community (just tiny groups), and still he got shit talk that he would destroy amarr RP.



Ehm.... I dont think, creating will help much, as long there is a certain behavior in the community.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 01 Dec 2015, 02:33
Publius created a bunch of interesting stuff relating to the Empire and the Kingdom. But not a single bit of it was PF or canon - that is, official, CCP-backed lore. And that's where the problem was.

He took offense when, after attempting to force people to accept it as written, canon fact on the official EVE-O forums, some players replied that it was not PF/canon because it was written by a player and not CCP, and therefore not official lore or fact as far as the wider EVE universe was concerned. He then decided to attack a number of those players on the forums in response; not to mention the commentary directed at CCP Eterne at various times.

Very few people, if any, were reacting negatively to the content itself. People were reacting negatively to his insistence that player-written fiction was equivalent to the CCP-written lore in importance and veracity, and talking about it.
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Lt.Babylon on 01 Dec 2015, 03:04
Publius created a bunch of interesting stuff relating to the Empire and the Kingdom. But not a single bit of it was PF or canon - that is, official, CCP-backed lore. And that's where the problem was.

He took offense when, after attempting to force people to accept it as written, canon fact on the official EVE-O forums, some players replied that it was not PF/canon because it was written by a player and not CCP, and therefore not official lore or fact as far as the wider EVE universe was concerned. He then decided to attack a number of those players on the forums in response; not to mention the commentary directed at CCP Eterne at various times.

Very few people, if any, were reacting negatively to the content itself. People were reacting negatively to his insistence that player-written fiction was equivalent to the CCP-written lore in importance and veracity, and talking about it.
Not true. This is a strawman. Please can you show me, where he said his stuff is canon. He even made a orange link above every page. As well as it goes without saying that every player event with Lucius or Esan is just that.

I never saw him sell his stuff a canon, nor is ingame actions. I even remember him saying to you this as you try to make this strawman on the eve online forum... Where you assaulted Wyke. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=565641#post565641



He never said such things:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1086746#post1086746
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=361868#post361868
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4145719#post4145719

So your argument that he assaulted people and CCP employee, because he thought his stuff is canon is just BS. Sorry show me one link where he said, his stuff is canon. Show me one.


Nevertheless I get a felling why you hate him.... was it because he defented Wyke? I remember you where on twitter and said something ... that the people on the eve-forum would attack you? I remember such a twit from you around that time.... Maybe later I will search for it.




He then decided to attack a number of those players on the forums in response; not to mention the commentary directed at CCP Eterne at various times.
Then please show me where he attacted you. Even more as he said long time ago: "NO WORK FROM PUBLIUS.... just copy and past from CCP STUFF.... PUBLIUS NO WORK".   The same counts greatest amount of his pages... it is just copy past.https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=565641#post565641


He clearly said to you that "Or in Popper term.... Y= My stuff... X= Canon.... so my stuff is "ungleiche Menge"/different quantities of X (see it as two circle which never touch each other)..... And I never said something else.... get it?" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=565641#post565641
Title: Re: Re: So, is there a new OOC forum up, or...?
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 01 Dec 2015, 03:11
Alright. I think we are all done with this pointless, entirely transparent game of charades, Publius, and I'm stopping it now.

I think this is the third or fourth account you have made in order to evade your original permanent ban, in addition to the rather sizable number you made to avoid moderation prior to that.

This is also the last time anyone will be playing along with your nonsense. If I even suspect a forum account is yours, it will be nuked. Instantly.

[gmod]Removed all of these posts from the thread since they were off-topic, and the derail was started by someone who should not have been posting in the first place.[/gmod]