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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => EVE Corporation and Alliance Development => Topic started by: Saede Riordan on 20 Jun 2010, 14:58
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So I want to start an Angel Cartel themed RP alliance sort of along the same lines as Veto, with one main corp. I'd love if someone (verone) wanted so share some secrets on how to achieve that, how to find members.
On that note, I need an alliance name, there is already a sort of distinct feel to the Angels, and I don't want to destroy that, so I wanted to come up with a cool sounding alliance name that is true to fiction, and it, with that in mind I've come up with a sort of starting point to work off of when coming up with a name for the alliance, so here is my rough brainstorming:
Angel Song
Clarity Angels
Paradigm Angels
Black Angels
Shadow Angels
Dream Angels
Serenity Angels
Whitewash
Backdraft
Clarity Trace
Tranquility
Felicity
Serendipity
Storm Rise
Clearcast
these are just ideas to get a discussion started, I want to come up with something cool, so lets brainstorm
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The Angel Cartel 'sections' are in part based on classes of angels from the various angelic hierachies (for eg. Dominions -> Dominations) so you could adapt something from them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_angels
For example, following your brainstorming.
Black Virtues
Tranquil Powers
Dreaming Thrones
Just a thought.
Cosmo
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The Angel Cartel 'sections' are in part based on classes of angels from the various angelic hierachies (for eg. Dominions -> Dominations) so you could adapt something from them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hierarchy_of_angels
For example, following your brainstorming.
Black Virtues
Tranquil Powers
Dreaming Thrones
Just a thought.
Cosmo
Very interesting read, thanks.
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This is going to sound mean:
What is the point of having the alliance?
Do you intend to claim space? Are you attempting to consolidate wardecs?
What mechanical benefits does the alliance structure give you? What will these corporations give up to do so?
Would it be beneficial to just have loosely associated corporations instead of an official alliance?
I think these are all important questions, otherwise you are wasting isk. Just look at some alliances; they are smaller in manpower than good corps.
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Although I agree with orange's practical questions and would like to hear answers to them, if Nikita wants to make an alliance, then that's what she wants to do.
My brainstorming thought: Apotheosis Paradigm [DEIFY] -- could be your central corp or the alliance itself
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I like Cosmos idea. It is an interesting read, and I was planning on using it when/if I got around to forming my own corp. Ill work on some names and post em when I have something.
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This is going to sound mean:
What is the point of having the alliance?
Do you intend to claim space? Are you attempting to consolidate wardecs?
What mechanical benefits does the alliance structure give you? What will these corporations give up to do so?
Would it be beneficial to just have loosely associated corporations instead of an official alliance?
I think these are all important questions, otherwise you are wasting isk. Just look at some alliances; they are smaller in manpower than good corps.
I want to have a pretty logo, be able to go in the alliance tourney, and I want to be able to claim space
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I want to have a pretty logo
Totally legit. Supported +1
Edit: Wait, the alliance logos have been broken for ages... :ugh:
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Abyssal Aerie.
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If you don't mind the extra cost, owning an alliance is worth it just to make it 24 instead of 48 hours to wardeck somebody. No voting \o/
CCP may want you to get 150 active members before they will let you have an alliance logo.
Shameless plug: I have an alt who makes alliances. Extra cheap rates since you are a kewl RPer. ;)
I has many references n stuff. Unless you don't mind spending a couple months training empire control 5.
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Yep, you will need the amount of members and time active before you can have your logo, I tried to ask nicely but CCP is immune to my charms and sticks to their rules :cry:
As for a corp and alliance, Ghost Festival / Naraka draws upon Buddhist traditions (is what you get with Achurans and half-Achurans in charge :P). You could draw upon your own character to go with a theme, if you wish to continue with keeping that part of your RP that is.
You could also look at what activities you will be involved in: Naraka combined combat with industry in equal measures. Stillwater focusses on combat, and does exploration too, not sure if the latter is officially part of the repertoire though? Casiella is working on some project which is industry / exploration in nulsec. Pick a name suiting to what you will be doing.
One last thing you could go with is where your niche will be. All of the previously listed corps are different and fill their own niche. A successful corporation will try to fill one that is either unique or under-represented. Do I need a niche, you ask? Well, you could start very generic and go from there, but having a niche will aid in forming your vision, two things vital for corporate survival. In fact, if you were a real business and had to wrote a business plan (which you need to present to a bank to get starter funds) vision and niche are required to be written down. Mind you, that is a starting point though, if you notice along the line that things do not work out then -- just as in real life -- you can review your business plan.
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Myrr: I'm not really sure what specific niche I want to fill, other then to be a major angel alliance, something that people can see on the sov map, and recognize by name dropping.
Also some additional names for namestorming:
Future Tense
Future Shock
Sunrise
Moonrise
Shadow Aspect
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You might want to check out channel ´Angel Cartel´ for other pilots allied with the Cartel.
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Holding sov / 0.0 is a niche not filled so far, so there you go, you've found yours :D
Also why is there an Angel Cartel channel and I didn't know about it / am not in it. :eek:
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Myr..
1. It was created after you joined Veto?
2. You didnt pay enough attention to Stillwater signatures?
3. You didnt get an invite yet due to not working/communicating with other Angel pilot corps?
Nikita
1. Expand Angel Cartel space (similar to Providence, Amarr).
2. A pirate corp/alliance which actually has positive standings to its faction.
3. A pirate corp/alliance which actually considers enemies of its faction its own enemies.
4. A pirate corp/alliance which lives inside its factions space.
Corners are always cut, sacrifices made for an easier form of gameplay which really makes the current groups just like any other non-RP corp/alliance. Option 1 and 4 are really difficult but points 2 and 3 are just RP basics imo. As far as I am aware there are no pirate faction groups which do any of the above.
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4 isn't too bad, I'm trying to work on that. 2 is taking a while /o\ but... yeah. It can be rough.
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The thing Aodha that makes it really difficult to do what you suggest is that, in order to have anywhere near the numbers needed to support a large 0.0 alliance, you can't rely simply on RPers, there just aren't enough of us. Maybe it will change with Incarna, but I said maybe it will change with Empyrean Age and it really didn't, it just legitimized the current RPers.
So with people who don't give a damn about RPing making up at least a third of the alliance on a good day, probably more, there will be people ratting, so it makes more sense fiction wise to be in someone elses backyard, Probably Sansha's. The other problem is that there is no way to gain legitimacy within a group like this, there is no way to build a power base. RP alliances are always smaller then normal ones, and trying to do ANYTHING in the south means either bluing up or going single handily against the entire southern bloc. In 0.0 politics, you really can't just do your own thing, cause as soon as you start to get uppity, the kids with the bigger sandcastles will come stomp yours back into the dust.
With that in mind however, there are still things I could do, I could blue up with the Southern Bloc, ignore RPing and let them go attack rats that are presumably my comrades with gleeful abandon. I could pick a target that could be held by my group on its own, and slowly pushing outward from there, trying really hard to avoid Jenga-ing the entire Southern Coalition down on top of me.
Or I could do what VETO does, have a smaller alliance of entirely loyal RPers and live out of NPC 0.0.
with all that in mind, I'm glad this discussion is going on, and its helpful, but the original point of this post was to come up with an Alliance name, and I still need help doing that.
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With that in mind however, there are still things I could do, I could blue up with the Southern Bloc, ignore RPing and let them go attack rats that are presumably my comrades with gleeful abandon. I could pick a target that could be held by my group on its own, and slowly pushing outward from there, trying really hard to avoid Jenga-ing the entire Southern Coalition down on top of me.
Or I could do what VETO does, have a smaller alliance of entirely loyal RPers and live out of NPC 0.0.
with all that in mind, I'm glad this discussion is going on, and its helpful, but the original point of this post was to come up with an Alliance name, and I still need help doing that.
VETO lives in NPC 0.0? :eek: Since when?
I lived in Curse for about 8 months recently until GF collapsed. It was fine for me (T3) but in terms of bringing in new pilots it would also be very difficult, hampering corp growth. Think a few palms would have to be greased to actually live there and grow a corp. (mainly Cursed alliance)
Out of interest, have you spoken to any of the other Angel groups yet about this alliance?
Now back to names.... :bash:
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Just my contribution: naming a group can present challenges for the, um, OCD among us (/me waves guiltily). But defining a purpose and planning presents far more significant challenges, and by focusing on the superficial details, you run the risk of dooming the project to a death spiral. Which, to be clear, would be a shame here.
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Fairly sure VETO aren't based in NPC 0.0. In fact, they're kinda my neighbours. :P
Anyway, as Cas mentioned above, there's really not much point in forming an alliance (It really is quite a lot of ISK) If you don't have a good Idea of what you want to do with it.
Ideas are fantastic, but you need goals too.
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Yeah, we do not live in nulsec. We occasionally visit people in nulsec and pee in their cereals, sure but no, we live quite happily in Sinq Laison for the time being :3
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What we label loyalism and role-play is a double-edged sword and in the eyes of the beholder. It's an ancient old discussion and there's been huge flame wars and forum fights over what exactly is right (please don't start one out of this).
The problem lies within this:
* Is one an RPer because he or she does or does not have corp or faction standings?
* Should one live in the space of the faction or not?
* Should one follow ingame standings yes or no?
* ect.
And then, the most daunting question of them all, what does make someone an RPer? If I recruit a bunch of people willing to operate by the corp's rules and respect that IC channels are IC, does that make my corp a roleplaying corp? Or are my members only roleplayers if I make them all undergo IC interviews and force them to be IC in corp chat? Where is that magical border between RP or not RP and who gets to say what is what? And why should it even be so black and white, and not some shades of grey?
Anyway, Niki, if you're going 0.0 then I think you need a name that goes with that, not really seeing a suitable candidate so far, although Future Shock does sound neat.
Aodha, guess I am guilty of not paying attention then. The fact I am in Veto is irrelevant though, unlike popular belief I am still 100% Cartel loyal. So yeah, guess I'll get in the channel then, don't really expect people coming to me, out of sight is out of heart and all that even when not intended to be so :P
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The channel is usually fairly quiet -- frequently me, Nakatre, and one or two others. But I won't take this too far afield. :)
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I am taking your advice so yeah, however, I do still want the alliance, so moar names for the name god:
Clearwater
Air
Poisonwood
Stillborn
Black Magic
Dark Water
Ghost Dancers
Despairia
Inquisition
Hysteria
Ghost Syndicate
The Dreamers
The Rainmakers
Witch Cult
High Angels
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I still want to push "Abyssal Aerie", in case it got overlooked the first time. :P
"Abyssal" referring to the void of space, and "Aerie" meaning an eagle's nest or perch, though it could easily be seen as referring to angels rather than eagles.
Plus, it has that grimdark feeling I think you're aiming for.
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Idk Nata, its just that it doesn't sound like a group. It sounds like a location. So....yeah.
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Think grand, start small.
Very small. No need to worry about lots of aspects yet.
Build a working corp first before you build the alliance. Dream about the names, but put your energy into building stuff for the here and now.
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What Merdaneth said really, concentrate first on the corporation. Build it solid and hammer it out and on that foundation construct the Alliance template. When you know the direction and tone of the corporation it's much easier to build the Alliance image on it.
On those latest names a a lot sound something Stillwater or PRETA (well obviously they have Naraka, but still) might use, and some of them sound like gothband names. Before going with something that just sounds really cool, why not take a look at the Angel mythologies and see if there'd be something to suit you vision and perhaps would be governing style.
I see you got "Digital Warrior" in your title, now let us assume information gathering is what you wish to do IC, knowledge is power and all that. Let's pick up a caste of Angels from the lore that are the keepers of knowledge, the Cherubim. Now let us assume it is as you wish to hold your territory you wish to signal that on that territory it is you and your inner circle that holds the power, slap on the name Dominion. And we have;
Cherubim Dominion
Now that conveys several meanings an ideas of the IC style of rule and aspirations of the alliance. It also gives a certain satisfaction that you have a ready figured out and basis for the name, other than just "It sounded cool, lol".
Hopefully this suggestion helps or at least gives something to ponder on <3
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/me wholeheartedly agrees with Vince's post
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Wow this things got busy. The Angel Cartel channel is pretty quiet, but the more the merrier. :D
I agree with Merd about starting small then getting larger from there. One of these days Im probably gonna start my own Angel Cartel corp, and if/when it happens I would definately be down for joining a Cartel aligned alliance. I think that it may be better to build up your corp for a while.
Not everyone in the corp has to RP either. A few people from my former and current(though I havent been in it long enough to be definitive about it) corps dont RP in channels so much as they like the ideals of the faction the corp they are in is aligned with. Being in an RP corp does give them the chance to engage in a little RP if they feel up to it and also to to what they enjoy in EVE(PVP or otherwise).
Also its not a bad idea to reach out to the other corps and people that RP Cartel loyalties and also Serpentis as well(looks at Milo) since the cartel and Serpentis have a working relationship it stands to reason that RPers would be at least open to something simmilar. As mentioned Stillwater is Cartel aligned and I still see some people from Ghost festival online on occasion that havent left yet.
Edit: I really like the name Abyssal Aeire. So, if you dont want it I may just stick it on an alt to get it. for future plans. :D
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Another thought, if you are planning an alliance with a goal of 0.0 sec sov, perhaps not make it exclusivly an "angel" alliance. This would allow you to admit corps that arent strictly angel RP corps. More loyal people in 0.0 sec the better?
Just because you are an angel, doesnt exclude you from working together with other factions, and by not tauting it as an "angel" alliance from the begining, and by activly seeking to form ties with corps with similar views, you might be able to attract a good number of RP individuals/corps to the alliance.
On a side note, it does seem that once an individual/corp has alligned itself with a faction they dont really work with other factions. Seems strange, because even if your outlook isnt 100% alligned, everyone needs allies and if there needs to be comprimises wouldnt it be worth it?
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Well, working with other factions (especially factions your "parent" faction doesn't get along with so well) tends to result in Controversy. That's not to say that it's a bad idea, necessarily, but it does result in people going "Grrr" and "Argh" at you on the forums and trying to undercut your credibility.
Gathering roleplayers before you declare loyalty to a particular faction has a way of causing half your team to jump ship, unless you're a truly first-rate consensus-builder. People whose characters care about things will tend to gravitate to a cause (and characters oriented towards RP tend to have things they care about); you get a lot of flexibility with people whose primary goal is to blow stuff up, but perhaps rather less loyalty and people like that seem to get impatient if roleplay starts "getting in the way."
Personally, I'd suggest starting small, being open about your allegiances, going for serious roleplayers, and trying to corrupt any "empire" roleplayers who happen to strike your fancy.
(http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/piracy.jpg)
source (http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/)
You don't have to wait for Angel roleplayers to start spontaneously appearing out of the woodwork when you can create them. Most Eve players who don't have an active moral horror of piracy are susceptible to the above.
*I* certainly was.