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EVE-Online RP Discussion and Resources => CCP Public Library => Topic started by: Alain Colcer on 19 Jul 2015, 14:25
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I just happen to check eve-reddit and found this:
http://imgur.com/a/UbKY5
http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3drugw/empress_jamyl_has_just_shown_up_in_amarr_in_an/
New flagship? holy speculation time batman.
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It is the Auctoritas.
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She didn't come visit us. :(
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Why would she waste time with you people? She already played with you once and you didn't care much for the rough-housing. :P
Also, I am never washing my Navy Geddon again, not after I got bumped by her Avatar. :oops:
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Why would she waste time with you people? She already played with you once and you didn't care much for the rough-housing. :P
Also, I am never washing my Navy Geddon again, not after I got bumped by her Avatar. :oops:
Notice me, Empress?
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Morwen bumped the Titan. Confirmed a bads.
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the phrase "she bumped me with her titan" now has a whole other meaning.... :twisted:
eve naughtiness is so wrong .....but sooo good
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(http://i.imgur.com/7dNeq0r.jpg)
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Oh yea carefully dock that Titan.
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Oh yea carefully dock that Titan.
Ohhhhh. Docking request accepted.
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Morwen bumped the Titan. Confirmed a bads.
Actually I was in front of it. It flew into me thanks to other idiots bumping it. :P
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WomenImperial Empresses can't drive for shit, confirmed.
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Let me know when you're able to stop a titan on a dime after being bumped to several hundred meters per second by a team of Machariel pilots.
I did joke on 24IC comms (again, thanks Samira for getting us non-mil members of the fleet on there) that she should've fit some Higgs Anchor rigs, though. :P
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Stop bringing logic and facts into my perfectly reasonable digs at
Women Imperial Empress Drivers!
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Well considering the speed she was able to reach anyway... Approx 250 m/s.
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Stop bringing logic and facts into my perfectly reasonable digs at Women Imperial Empress Drivers!
What self-respecting Imperial Empress drives herself anyway?
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Correct me if wrong but this might be the first time since launch any of the faction leaders flew around in local answering questions from capsuleers?
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i love u silas lets do the sexual
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i love u silas lets do the sexual
You can join me and my Star Citizen pirate squad, then the sexuals will be urz.
:yar:
Any of you there for the Jamyl thing though? She was chatting with local, that's kind of a new thing yea?
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Yes I was there, and she picking at people randomly in space.
Including Max Singularity of course.
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Correct me if wrong but this might be the first time since launch any of the faction leaders flew around in local answering questions from capsuleers?
Answering questions maybe. I know that Shakor showed up to some Republic event a while back and had a speech.
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Correct me if wrong but this might be the first time since launch any of the faction leaders flew around in local answering questions from capsuleers?
Answering questions maybe. I know that Shakor showed up to some Republic event a while back and had a speech.
It kinda bothers me that we haven't really met the other members of the Tribal Assembly. Shakor's apparently the Assembly's public face for public punching.
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They presented at least some of themn in the past, when there was that Nefantar official return...
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If Muck Raker wasn't there trolling her in local for lesbian orgies, then event fail.
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With the amount of usual non-roleplayer shitposting going on in local I don't think anyone would've noticed Muck Raker contributing to the quickly-scrolling walls of text.
We got a nice "Amarr Victor" wall at the end though, partially drowning out the derps... for about thirty seconds. :p
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Hmm. I've honestly come to prefer the shit posting over spamwalls. Shit posting actually has the potential to contribute, even if by accident.
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Non-roleplayer shitposting, OOC spamwalling - it's the same thing. Neither has any real potential to contribute.
It's impressive that whoever was behind Jamyl's computer screen was even able to spot a couple people with non-shit questions in order to even reply to them, given how fast local was scrolling most of the time.
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Your Holiness, I beg of you, double my ISK.
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Your Holiness, I beg of you, double my ISK.
"What you give to this empire I will give you back two-fold."
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Yeah we know, Jamyl Sarum is secretely spaceship barbie.
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Your Holiness, I beg of you, double my ISK.
"What you give to this empire I will give you back two-fold."
best scam everrr!
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Actually, getting Jamyl killed opens up all kinds of content for the Amarr RP community....
What needs to be resolved quickly though, is the next heir...it cannot be more than 6 months....otherwise that would look bad.
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(https://i.imgur.com/j3Vbuz9.jpg)
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I'd question the implication that we don't/didn't put in the work.
Either way, you guys can still have fun with the Empress. Locator agents have her docked in Chaven. Go make up crazy conspiracy theories on the IGS, heh.
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I'd question the implication that we don't/didn't put in the work.
I wouldn't.
As someone who has been active in the Minmatar RP scene for the last 5 years, there has never been as much effort put into making a true factional community as the Amarr roleplayers have expended. There have been attempts, but Minmatar are tribal by nature and none of them have got very far or lasted that long. As there is no real sense of community, Minmatar RP has become increasingly insular until people get bored and move on/quit the game.
Plus, we did get an event like this, albeit not an in space one. Our leader got assassinated remember?
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The work was still put in, even if the faction is through PF a lot less unified and thus nigh impossible to form a community of. I've watched the Minmatar RP community for a very long time, seven years so far, and there's been a humongous amount of work put into it.
As for us getting events, my point was that ours uniformly portrayed us as incompetent, stupid and ridiculous. We also haven't had a long series of them, in space, having sizable fleets and interactions.
We need a draw more than ever, and what we're seeing is a locked playground we can't really do anything but yell at through the fence, where everyone else is invited. Oh, we can come too... let's just leave the faction we're in. Do it! Do it now! Can't you see how much fun it is to be an Amarrian loyalist?
Yeah, sod the Minnies.
It may not be fair, but it is how it looks from here.
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Yeah, because getting bent over by having our emperor killed, then having our homeworlds ravaged by the minmatar (and being robbed of a chance at vengeance by bullshit FW mechanics) and then having our empress killed... yeah we have it so good Mizhara.
And it's not like the amarr community never had an ebb and flow in interrest and membership, no.
I don't know why, if what you say is true, no clue, the mini community collapsed. It's a real shame, but, honestly, the amarr are just as "fractured" as the minmatar. You have tribes, we have houses...
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Oh, please, I left comms yersterday for that exact same reason. Going to such highs to ad-hominem on Falcon because you are all... well... Maybe he is biased, maybe not, but those gratuitous assumptions are just petty. People were Q.Q-ing all over the place because their faction got a beating... If you are here to play and do not accept to lose, then I have no words.
At least they didn't pulled a Midular/Colelie like they inflicted upon the Minmatar.
I don't even see how this makes the Amarr look bad. All the minmatar characters being smug all over it are really annoying you ? They did not even do anything for it to happen... Colelie though, made the Minmatar look like utter idiots.
Now then, i'm not saying that the Amarr never got hurt by CCP storylines. In the past, they spent their time looking like cosmic buffons (and i'm not even speaking about satirical frothing at the mouth depictions of them). But I think most major factions at some point looked like incompetent drooling idiots, especially after TEA. Kador aggroing stupidly Solitude ? Check. CONCORD being utter incompetent, and more and more today ? Check. Minmatar at Colelie ? Check. Caldari and Gallente at operation Highlander (we can doomsday the Shigeru before it can even fire ? No, better to risk everything by bringing up stupid dreads) ? Check. The Amarr when the Elder attacked ? Check... Well, ok, they had the corrupted Imperial Family under Karsoth interregnum... I can go on and on like that.
Also, the fact that Jamyl got killed was probably part of the cleanup that was expected for long around all the TonyG crap that TEA included into the game. With a little chance this death separated her from that stupid Other, and if she comes back, she might be clean for once. For one, I am happy that it is eventually happening. We got rid of Hethler (had no special issue with the character, but what he brought to the State with Dragonaurs was awful), we got rid of Midular (RIP), and now, zombie Jamyl and her Other. Good riddance.
Maybe it will even bring RP and evolution in Amarr society, with Sacred Flesh, Shatol'Syn, Royal Heir stuff, etc. Maybe we will get a proper character as Emperor like Yonis, with Aritcio as his right hand... I think it's a bit early to say that the story has turned rotten for the Amarr yet.
I'm not arguing that the event was well conducted. Some pointed out that they could at least have left all those drifters on field for players to have fun. Yeah I agree. It would have been better. People could have took their vengeance on them and vented their anger.
People are surprised that everything is on rails. Well, it's CCP live events for you. They are all like that, and while some allow you to at least have fun in a giant grindfeast in shooting at hordes of NPCs in the middle of an overcrowded local (600+ yersterday), they are all on rails. I don't like it, but it has always been like that. Some more successful than others, but it has always been. Is that a good way to be GM-ing a tabletop ? I don't think so. Do they want it to be like a tabletop ? Probably not, maybe more like a movie you seat back and enjoy... But then how does that fit in a game where it's explicitly told that it's all about sandbox and player actions that shape the world ?
Well I guess it doesn't when it comes to the NPC world, as usual... But nothing new here. It has been like that since the fall of Aurora in 2005...
This thread is just turning into a pissing contest as to whom faction has suffered the most...
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On the Minmatar collapse, maybe the depiction of the Republic is a part of the reasons... But I also feel that EM collapse was the fatal blow. It would be like if today PIE or CVA collapsed at the same time.
Why is there no new Minmatar initiative is the same reason that plagued the Gallente since the fall of Acheron in 2006, and now might also impact the Caldari with the leave of most old Caldari RP pillars like Dex, etc. We do not lack that much of Minmatar, Gallente or Caldari characters. Their players just happen to be spread all over various non-RP or very light-RP entities. By their choice favoring gameplay over RP, and the friends they got there, they are not really willing to invest fully into a new Minmatar, Gallente or Caldari serious RP venture that are not guaranted to succeed...
And that's perfectly legitimate! Some people put RP before everything else, some the fun and the gameplay they have ingame. Guess who are the most happy usually ? The latter... And that said by someone who is clearly, 100% part of the former group.
So yes, I think that the Amarr bloc works well because a lot of their old RP pillars are still there and a lot of them are players that are part of the former group. And a lot of them share the same ingame activities too.
But I'll tell you something though: if nobody Minmatar, Gallente, or Caldari, tries to seriously put up something and invest in it by actively contacting and lobbying other loyalists, trying to pull them out of their current bubbles, mount a brilliant PR campaign with additional awesome art, corporate/alliance identity, and promise a messianic new rebirth of the faction, then nothing is going to happen. Period.
OOC factional channels were put up by Arkon for that precise reason, and they are a great, great idea, and could be so much more as tools. Maybe they might get eventually supplanted by another, more private channel like it was the case for the Amarr.OOC (which is a shame), but at least it would kickstart the thing pretty well.
I say, even if Minmatar players do not wish to drop it all to start something like that, the very fact is that I see very few of them actually trying to talk with each other through those channels and mount common operations and actions to react to lore news, events, or what the Amarr bloc does.
Well at least, that's what I have been able to gather through observation ingame. And I can relate, really... I have spent a lot of time severed from the Amarr bloc and it was not easy. I too complained a lot that I was cut off from everything and that the only access was through general channels like the Summit... Because yes, there is a clique mentality, and it's a shame.
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The Tony G cleanup is still happening. That is more or less what everyone wanted for years.
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Don't let the current welfare of your character's chosen faction determine your own. How much shit any one of them is currently taking is completely out of your and your characters' control anyway.
Don't play the Agony Olympics to win. Just do the things you can do.
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The Tony G cleanup is still happening. That is more or less what everyone wanted for years.
I think the problem is not that "the cleanup" is happening, it's the way it's happening. It actually feels like Tony G all over again and not a "cleanup" at all.
As for yesterday's event, it was deeply disappointing. It was a damp squib at the end of a chain of events that had been a lot of fun.
The end result is ok - it's clear CCP had decided where that train was terminating - but given the last few weeks of events and the CCP teasing in the news, we had a lot of people put in a lot of effort to get set up for something awesome yesterday. We had people in fleet for hours before the event due to the hazy time window and mad keen the teasers and trailers had generated through mentions of the handover and a nice big parade, whilst previous events suggested a big fight with the drifters was likely, so this was clearly going to be a BIG THING.
And IC, it was.
However what the players got was a few words in local before an unstoppable drifter fleet warped in, instablapped the titan+pod then warped out again. That was it. There was nothing to engage with, so people were left feeling like they'd just wasted a lot of time. Now, some of that was self inflicted - CCP didn't force us to turn up after all - but that doesn't help with the feelings of disappointment.
That said, it's done now, and by most accounts the previous events were much better. So here's to hoping the followup events and storyline are good and well paced!
It would be nice to have a stable faction, free from rubbish space ghosts etc for at least some amount of time.
(Counting down to Dam Torsad blowing up in 10, 9... :lol: )
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What Shaikar said. I went in expecting the empress to probably die, and I was more or less okay with this. What I wasn't okay with was spending a week getting people informed and 5 hours putting a fleet together only to have a two minute event that we were completely unable to actually participate in. I feel rather guilty of the fact that I had suggested people take off work and get up early on the expectation that there would be something more than just a two minute assassination.
The direction the plot is going is not the issue. This wasn't some 'beat up the Amarr' thing, and fixing the longstanding issue with the empress is good. What wasn't good was the anticlimatic (from an interactivity standpoint) conclusion to weeks of buildup.
There should have either been a bit more stuff before the assassination (such as the actual commissioning ceremony, actually getting to see the Auctoritas in flight, etc, and maybe fending off an initial drifter attack), or there should have been more stuff after it (letting us kill the drifters after they blew up the empress).
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The complaints initially levelled in this thread were not about an event that was railroaded or badly executed but about the conclusion.
Whether the event was good or not is highly subjective. The frustration of being there, yet unable to do something may be very well what the creators had in mind with this. This is the equivalent of someone getting yanked out of the middle of the squad (and devoured off screen) in an alien movie: This showcases that the Drifters are able to come in, remove the toughest/second toughest ship in EVE and moonwalk out, leaving everyone back in a confused/terrified state of mind.
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I think the IGS can easily display why there can be no unified Minmatar RP. The Amarr crowd can unify publicly when it comes to pretty much anything, except the internal house troubles. As a faction, they're united. Minmatar? Spread across three factions, not even counting the pirates, across a multitude of extremes when it comes to political and cultural views, and how to deal with the Empire.
Jamyl gets kicked in the teeth, and an overt enemy faction is taking a serious blow, and half the Minmatar posters on the IGS still side with the Empire.
#NotAllMatari
It makes for a complex and interesting faction, but it also means that we can never get any sort of critical mass to support any of the large amounts of different standpoints.
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The Tony G cleanup is still happening. That is more or less what everyone wanted for years.
I think the problem is not that "the cleanup" is happening, it's the way it's happening. It actually feels like Tony G all over again and not a "cleanup" at all.
Yup. I predicted that after Falcon finished making the Caldari look like utter incompetents (operation Highlander), and making the Minmatar look like brainless savages (Colelie), he'd be moving on to the Amarr. And look, here it is! Wow, look how those bastard slavers can't even protect their own empress.
I'd also like to point out that CCP apparently thinks that Emperor assassination never gets old. At this rate, anyone applying for the post should be immediately fitted for a casket.
I'm guessing that the next thing Falcon will do is have the drifters start attacking the State. Or possibly they'll attack the Federation, but in that case, they'll be gloriously defeated the "teh bestest faction evah!!!".
One can hope otherwise, though.
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I regret not bringing my sensor boosted beam Coercer. I'd have shot the corpse.
A thought I had earlier was:
This is surprisingly convenient for the Sarum Family, in that, by dying as a martyr, then the whole thing about this "Other", can be covered up, with the complicity of many of the other Imperial establishment institutions.
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" - Jamyl's legacy is now more likely to be the Martyr Empress, rather than the Mad Empress.
But, I guess we'll find out soon enough, there's a thing on Sunday, isn't there ?
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The complaints initially levelled in this thread were not about an event that was railroaded or badly executed but about the conclusion.
Whether the event was good or not is highly subjective. The frustration of being there, yet unable to do something may be very well what the creators had in mind with this. This is the equivalent of someone getting yanked out of the middle of the squad (and devoured off screen) in an alien movie: This showcases that the Drifters are able to come in, remove the toughest/second toughest ship in EVE and moonwalk out, leaving everyone back in a confused/terrified state of mind.
Maybe it was there intent... It makes sense, but I still think it makes for a very poor GM-ing on their behalf. When you create a game, you do it for people to have fun. If people do not have fun, that it's a failure, whatever fancy trick you tried to show.
I would have been them, I would have made it go crescendo with a first wave of drifters maybe. Increase the pressure as more and more of the capsuleers on fields are cleared out. Then blast the empress in a dramatic climax when everyone is fighting like hell to protect her. Icing on the cake would have been to let the players influence if she is killed or not, but I understand it was the initial goal... Then you make the drifters stop their waves, and let the last ones serving as a way for players to take their revenge.
But maybe they don't have the team or the means to do that. Though from what I see, it makes me feel that they are very inexperienced at GM-ing in any case, and have pretty much never been.
Since TEA, and even past TonyG, they also almost always go for the grand standing epic edgy events that go all into cascading escalations. It feels always too much to me, and rather rubbish. It's also what makes most factions act like incompetent leaders because everything is shoehorned by the epic edgy needs of the story without much consideration for the side effects and logic.
You know, makes me a bit think of that bioware meme "you press a button, and it's awesome!".
You bet it is.
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Logibro just confirmed on AT stream that players get to champion Houses during succession trials. Will fly champions to Iceland for the fight during fanfest, if they have positive Amarr standings, fly Amarr ships and so on.
Look out for official announcements.
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5985547#post5985547
It's official now.
This is how things should have been handled yesterday as well and there would have been a lot less grief! :roll:
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I'm expecting to get the rules and a bit more info to get a true opinion on this, but I fear the worse...
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But, I guess we'll find out soon enough, there's a thing on Sunday, isn't there ?
There's a special episode of the Hydrostatic Lore Panel on Sunday at 21:00 EVE but it's not been entirely cemented what will be talked about.
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ohh nice succesion trials once again...this is good!
i wonder if golden/silver magnates, along with imperial geddons/apocs will be handed over as prizes.
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The Tony G cleanup is still happening. That is more or less what everyone wanted for years.
I think the problem is not that "the cleanup" is happening, it's the way it's happening. It actually feels like Tony G all over again and not a "cleanup" at all.
Yup. I predicted that after Falcon finished making the Caldari look like utter incompetents (operation Highlander), and making the Minmatar look like brainless savages (Colelie), he'd be moving on to the Amarr. And look, here it is! Wow, look how those bastard slavers can't even protect their own empress.
I'd also like to point out that CCP apparently thinks that Emperor assassination never gets old. At this rate, anyone applying for the post should be immediately fitted for a casket.
I'm guessing that the next thing Falcon will do is have the drifters start attacking the State. Or possibly they'll attack the Federation, but in that case, they'll be gloriously defeated the "teh bestest faction evah!!!".
One can hope otherwise, though.
One has to wonder: Was it really TonyG or is it rather CCP that simply sucks at storyline?
To me it feels like TonyG was simply a convenient scapegot, they got rid of him and then moved on exactly as they did before.
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One has to wonder: Was it really TonyG or is it rather CCP that simply sucks at storyline?
To me it feels like TonyG was simply a convenient scapegot, they got rid of him and then moved on exactly as they did before.
A little from column A, a little from column B...
TonyG made some tripe but it's not like it came out of nowhere and it took CCP by surprise. He wrote Theodicy years before TEA after all.
CCP have done some solid storylines though, so they can do it. Usually though the stories that are best are not the apocalyptic EPIC ones where everything changes - which really isn't going to surprise most people, as epic stories are dangerous to an ongoing setting and should only be used sparingly and by trained professionals.
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I pretty much agree. I liked the storyline where the 24th had to conquer Kourmonen. I'd love to see more events like that.
Yet, CCP seems to prefer the EPIC and is neither prepared to use it sparingly nor by trained professionals.