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Title: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Kyoko Sakoda on 24 Apr 2015, 11:42
Quote from: The Scope
YULAI – A live broadcast from DED Headquarters was interrupted moments ago, when a Drifter battleship suddenly appeared outside the station in orbit of Yulai X and began emitting what was believed to be a high frequency broad-band data stream that crashed fluid routers and switches across five separate solar systems in the area.

Quote from: Ye Olde Lore
The result of that rush is the familiar Fluid router, which forms the building block of universal communication as we know it today. Ignoring the mathematical intricacies, the architecture of these routers is deceivingly simple. The first step of their manufacturing is the creation of the entangled quantum states. This is done by using superfluid 4-Helium, where essentially all the Helium atoms are entangled in a single quantum state due to Bose condensation. A droplet of such liquid 4-Helium is then carefully separated in two. From this point, the two droplets, and more specifically the Helium atoms in the droplets are intrinsically tangled. Each droplet is then placed in separate router box, that contain necessary mechanism to encode and decode bytestream into quantum state measurements performed on the atoms of the droplet. From that point on, these two routers are linked together, regardless of their separation. Thus a spaceship will usually buy a router pair from a network provider. One box will be placed in the spaceship, while the other one kept in the network provider’s backbone, that will have connections to other routers, thus effectively forming a decentralized network, where messages can be routed across many routers and many providers. This architecture is similarly to the ancient Internet.

So as a graduate of a media studies program and general media studies nerd this has me going in circles. (http://i.imgur.com/J4KE93W.gifv)
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Esna Pitoojee on 24 Apr 2015, 12:07
 :psyccp:

The only assumption I can come up with is that it's a case of poor phrasing: The signal was responsible for crashing the routers, but only by physically reaching the nearest router and interacting with it to insert some code (I'm resisting the urge to shout "hack the mainframe!") that crashed the routers.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Louella Dougans on 24 Apr 2015, 12:17
Jovians.
Nanites.
Jovian Nanites.
Nanite Jovians.

suddenly nothing was clear !
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Ché Biko on 24 Apr 2015, 12:57
Perhaps it could be inferred that routers linked to the routers in those systems have also crashed?
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Lyn Farel on 24 Apr 2015, 13:08
Or the Scope is lying !

:tinfoil hats:

:ufo noises:
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Kyoko Sakoda on 24 Apr 2015, 19:25
BREACH THE MAINFRAME seems unlikely.

DDoS works, and it seems plausible, but it also takes time to set up the zombies.

It's conceivable that some routers would accept packets from standard EM signals, which could be harmful, but the probability those packets wouldn't be firewalled is zero.

So basically the only conclusion I can come to that makes any kind of sense is that the Drifters have a backdoor key much like the NSA so desperately wanted Microsoft and Apple to integrate into their operating systems.

 :psyccp:
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Lyn Farel on 25 Apr 2015, 02:25
Space magics. Not like it was the first time in Eve. vOv
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 25 Apr 2015, 05:38
BREACH THE MAINFRAME seems unlikely.

DDoS works, and it seems plausible, but it also takes time to set up the zombies.

It's conceivable that some routers would accept packets from standard EM signals, which could be harmful, but the probability those packets wouldn't be firewalled is zero.

So basically the only conclusion I can come to that makes any kind of sense is that the Drifters have a backdoor key much like the NSA so desperately wanted Microsoft and Apple to integrate into their operating systems.

 :psyccp:

Drifters are script kiddies?

And how do you even hack something with no transmission mediums?
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Louella Dougans on 25 Apr 2015, 05:42
And how do you even hack something with no transmission mediums?

plotanium bulletz
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 25 Apr 2015, 07:07
And how do you even hack something with no transmission mediums?

The fluid router isn't the start location for a transmission. It's in the middle of the chain. The transmission has to get to the fluid router first - and to its destination terminal or console or whatever after reaching the router closest to its destination. There's plenty of places for a MITM.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Mizhir on 25 Apr 2015, 07:46
Use your tech knowledge to make a report about Drifter disruption tech and then send it to CCP. Maybe they can get some use of it :)
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 25 Apr 2015, 10:46
Could they just have infected the network at one end of the system, then slammed the fluid routers with high-density traffic? If it could work like that, the only limiting factor would seem to be how fast the infection can spread.

Speed zombification!
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Lyn Farel on 25 Apr 2015, 13:08
Or they have a way to mess with quantum entanglement particles that looks like magic to us ?
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Kyoko Sakoda on 25 Apr 2015, 18:10
Could they just have infected the network at one end of the system, then slammed the fluid routers with high-density traffic? If it could work like that, the only limiting factor would seem to be how fast the infection can spread.

Speed zombification!

Yeah, and like Morwen said there's plenty of room for MITM attacks.

It's just that "a signal" makes it sounds like it's an EM broadcast. There is no "there" there between the fluid routers.

So the thing I'm really skeptical about in the end is the limit on how fast the attack can spread.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Veiki on 25 Apr 2015, 19:08
Drifters used their mad hax skills to send Jove signals to the non-quantum entangled intranets of the station computer tubes so they could enumerate the network with their leet tunneling protocols and shut down the FTL DNS layers?
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Lyn Farel on 26 Apr 2015, 02:31
Why can't we accept that their tech is sufficiently advanced to mess with quantum entanglement ?

Also, why would a journalist outlet not speak about jamming a signal ? They are journalists. How many times have you heard stupid amateurish things said by journalists on scientific things or complex issues ?
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 26 Apr 2015, 08:46
Also, why would a journalist outlet not speak about jamming a signal ? They are journalists. How many times have you heard stupid amateurish things said by journalists on scientific things or complex issues ?

Ah. Best explanation yet.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Veiki on 26 Apr 2015, 10:17
Jove/Drifters being space wizards with their technomancy explains all.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Tiberious Thessalonia on 26 Apr 2015, 10:36
(http://gunshowcomic.com/comics/20081015.gif)
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Louella Dougans on 26 Apr 2015, 10:49
Also, why would a journalist outlet not speak about jamming a signal ? They are journalists. How many times have you heard stupid amateurish things said by journalists on scientific things or complex issues ?

Ah. Best explanation yet.

Military experts are calling this a cynosural field.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Louella Dougans on 26 Apr 2015, 10:50
Jove/Drifters being space wizards with their technomancy explains all.

If Jove were Deus Ex (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/42/Dxcover.jpg), then...

Drifters are E.Y.E. (http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/7/6253/eye_artwork_012.jpg)
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Jekaterine on 27 Apr 2015, 03:58
I can now bring you exclusive photage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYNnPx8fZBs) of this event.

It may or may not be a dramatization.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Kyoko Sakoda on 29 Apr 2015, 14:09
Also, why would a journalist outlet not speak about jamming a signal ? They are journalists. How many times have you heard stupid amateurish things said by journalists on scientific things or complex issues ?

Ah. Best explanation yet.

The Scope is every news organization in America. Got it.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 29 Apr 2015, 17:34
Quote
When questioned regarding the events surrounding the interruption of a Scope News broadcast last week, and the subsequent fluid router issues in the Sanctum constellation of Genesis, General Korachi responded that "after extensive diagnosis by technicians from the Communication Relay Committee we were able to ascertain that while the fluid router network remained online, issues with sub-light communications infrastructure that connects us to the fluid network was the cause of the outage. We are still investigating how this was caused."

From : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ded-confirms-drifter-threat-analysis/
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Elmund Egivand on 30 Apr 2015, 00:58
Quote
When questioned regarding the events surrounding the interruption of a Scope News broadcast last week, and the subsequent fluid router issues in the Sanctum constellation of Genesis, General Korachi responded that "after extensive diagnosis by technicians from the Communication Relay Committee we were able to ascertain that while the fluid router network remained online, issues with sub-light communications infrastructure that connects us to the fluid network was the cause of the outage. We are still investigating how this was caused."

From : http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/ded-confirms-drifter-threat-analysis/

Everything suddenly makes sense now.

Well, that's enough of that 'Experts call it a Cynosural whatever' thingy for now.
Title: Re: Someone call Edward Snowden!
Post by: Alain Colcer on 30 Apr 2015, 07:46
Also, why would a journalist outlet not speak about jamming a signal ? They are journalists. How many times have you heard stupid amateurish things said by journalists on scientific things or complex issues ?

Ah. Best explanation yet.

The Scope is every news organization in America. Got it.

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