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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Saede Riordan on 19 Mar 2015, 12:49
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3060a8NkOk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3060a8NkOk)
Get Hype.
All aboard the hype train.
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Ohh, so they are corpses collectors ?
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Capsuleers: protect your bits. Spacemen want to use them for both male and female enhancement.
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I feel proud of this trailer for some reason...
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Do want Hover Nyx....
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Oooh, oogy boogy. *Wiggles fingers.* Be afraaaaaaaid.
Much drifters, so scared, many ships.
In case it wasn't totally clear, I'm not impressed. It may not be utterly lore-breaking in the way previous trailers have been, but this one still seemed to be firmly set in the problematic realm of "if things aren't EPIC!!11!, then no one will care!"
Here's the problem: Right now, we have absolutely no reason to be scared of these things.
"But Esna," you say, "it's for an upcoming expansion; they might not attack now, but surely things will get scary then! Didn't you see them going in on the attack?"
Yes, I absolutely did.
You know who else declared all-out war on capsuleers? Sansha.
The earliest days of incursions, for those who weren't around, were bloodbaths. Ships died by the dozens as people experimented with configurations to fight the Sansha; a successful mothership run was serious business.
Nowadays?
They're farmable content; worse yet, from what I've heard the Vigilant Tyrannos can already be reliably farmed by capital ships with the correct setup. So they blew up the Jovian gates? So what; there has literally been zero repercussion from this in meaningful terms (ingame or lorewise: how are the rest of the Big 4, or the pirate factions, reacting to the emergence? We have no idea). Want the Vigilant Jove to be scary? Have them welp a few nullsec fleets. Creating an enemy who is only threatening outside of a fight is not creating an effective enemy.
Worse yet, it's becoming increasingly apparent that CCP is unwilling to have the NPC factions pose a major threat to actual player organizations; we have to win, otherwise it isn't 'fun'.
To receive this (in my opinion) uninteresting and thematically unsuited content, we've been hit with the near-absolute excision of all development and living activity of all other factions in the game.
And I am not amused.
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Worse yet, it's becoming increasingly apparent that CCP is unwilling to have the NPC factions pose a major threat to actual player organizations; we have to win, otherwise it isn't 'fun'.
To receive this (in my opinion) uninteresting and thematically unsuited content, we've been hit with the near-absolute excision of all development and living activity of all other factions in the game.
And I am not amused.
Esna wins Backstage today, exactly my thoughts.
All IP's change and evolve over time to focus on different characters and settings. I just happened to like the imo rich characters and settings for phase 1 of EVE. You the player were a part of a larger interconnected lore world, albiet an important part.
Phase 2 they've been pushing with player capsuleers running things and the removal of big 4 as a backdrop? *shrug* They present it as the richer/larger lore world is irrelevant, unimportant, and not to be bothered with.
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(http://i.ndtvimg.com/mt/cooks/2014-11/lemon.jpg)
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Whose house are we burning down?
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Oooh, oogy boogy. *Wiggles fingers.* Be afraaaaaaaid.
Much drifters, so scared, many ships.
In case it wasn't totally clear, I'm not impressed. It may not be utterly lore-breaking in the way previous trailers have been, but this one still seemed to be firmly set in the problematic realm of "if things aren't EPIC!!11!, then no one will care!"
Here's the problem: Right now, we have absolutely no reason to be scared of these things.
"But Esna," you say, "it's for an upcoming expansion; they might not attack now, but surely things will get scary then! Didn't you see them going in on the attack?"
Yes, I absolutely did.
You know who else declared all-out war on capsuleers? Sansha.
The earliest days of incursions, for those who weren't around, were bloodbaths. Ships died by the dozens as people experimented with configurations to fight the Sansha; a successful mothership run was serious business.
Nowadays?
They're farmable content; worse yet, from what I've heard the Vigilant Tyrannos can already be reliably farmed by capital ships with the correct setup. So they blew up the Jovian gates? So what; there has literally been zero repercussion from this in meaningful terms (ingame or lorewise: how are the rest of the Big 4, or the pirate factions, reacting to the emergence? We have no idea). Want the Vigilant Jove to be scary? Have them welp a few nullsec fleets. Creating an enemy who is only threatening outside of a fight is not creating an effective enemy.
Worse yet, it's becoming increasingly apparent that CCP is unwilling to have the NPC factions pose a major threat to actual player organizations; we have to win, otherwise it isn't 'fun'.
To receive this (in my opinion) uninteresting and thematically unsuited content, we've been hit with the near-absolute excision of all development and living activity of all other factions in the game.
And I am not amused.
You make a good point. But in the long run, is it really logical for CCP to allow the players to take heavy enough losses? *imagines supercap fleet of goonswarm getting utterly destroyed by these guys out of nowhere* Hmm... actually that doesn't sound like a bad idea :twisted:
Most of the nullsec alliances couldn't care less about the lore. If all of a sudden their fleets were being destroyed by the presence of NPCs that (mind you as far as we know drop no helpful loot) what would the repercussions be of them? Like from a business perspective. Unfortunately, the nullsec alliances, as well as the people in hisec who don't like to take too many risks, are both the lowest common denominator :cry:
I agree with you completely on a logical level. They need to earn our concern. You're right 100%.
But I still choose to sit in my box with my little foil hat and scream "conspiracy!" at the aliens because the boogy man is scary. :eek: Don't judge me >_> Plus I'm loving the new special effects :D Hey, who knows? They might actually be going somewhere cool with this. We don't know >_>
Sidenote, maybe we'll get a lot more people interested in the lore because of this new plotline. I mean I keep hearing that the sansha days were pretty much the golden age of CCP/player interaction. Perhaps that will get revived? We can only hope.
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I'd be quite happy with the Drifters being another CONCORD, yeah you can kill them but damn you will pay a price.
Give us a few months of OH FUCK HOW DO WE STOP THESE THINGS at least.
But no, I don't think CCP have the balls to do that anymore, players (null sec anyway) have too much power, too much influence. nothing must desturb our empires / botting / rmting (yes bitter vet reporting here)
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NPCs aren't a threat, because, people would get mad about it.
People got mad about incursion cyno jammers in nullsec. REAL MAD.
how dare the game universe adversely affect players. Players do things to the environment. The environment does not and must not do things to players. Otherwise complete breakdown of civilisation as we know it.
so meh drifters.
also lol at jovian body parts being delivered to site one
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I mean I keep hearing that the sansha days were pretty much the golden age of CCP/player interaction. Perhaps that will get revived? We can only hope.
Aurora was the golden age of CCP/player interaction. The Sansha arc was nothing in comparison.
I'd be quite happy with the Drifters being another CONCORD, yeah you can kill them but damn you will pay a price.
Give us a few months of OH FUCK HOW DO WE STOP THESE THINGS at least.
But no, I don't think CCP have the balls to do that anymore, players (null sec anyway) have too much power, too much influence. nothing must desturb our empires / botting / rmting (yes bitter vet reporting here)
I totally agree with you and Esna, but what you suggest is just totally irrealistic. Most players in Eve do not share the same tastes and wishes than we do. I too would love to see them kick in the nullsec shitpile, but that doesn't mean those people would enjoy it. Would you enjoy to see all what you have built be engulfed in flames by stupid NPCs ? That would just look like the devs told you FAIL LOL right up through your face. "Watch my drifters stacks of doom burn everything you have".
And even if that's not the problem, it's still the issue to literally force pve into their gameplay. It can be a game design choice, mind you, but not a sound one as it will alienate everyone. I could say the exact same thing if they did that in high sec. The outrage would be huge. That would not be FUN for most people, that's it. Tbh, I would love to see that. They force pvp into a core thing of the game into everyone's gameplay, so why not pve ? Maybe because pve and farmable content sucks ? Dunno vOv
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Calling on the Anoikis loremasters to expound upon the 'Construct'/mothership connection.
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Such bitterness.
But you can't stop the HYPE TRAIN CHOO CHOO!!
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Such bitterness.
But you can't stop the HYPE TRAIN CHOO CHOO!!
I know. And that's what terrifies me: That the living, breathing, developing world of New Eden is being sold to pay for shiny, flashy, hype-ish 'developments' that will ultimately be little more than either farmed content or forgotten down the line.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3060a8NkOk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3060a8NkOk)
Most strikingly, things are just like, um, they always appeared to be? :D The seekers were always red on my overview for a reason, intimidating massive unknown structures brought us deadly things, and an exploding star in Jove space is not a good sign at all! Obvious thing is obvious^^
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One of the big issues is that the game and many of the features are developed and directed towards about 20% of the player base. I think the old number was what, about 80% of subscription accounts don't leave highsec ever?
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(http://i.ndtvimg.com/mt/cooks/2014-11/lemon.jpg)
Not empty quoting.
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Here's to hoping that the Drifters use a much improved variant of the Sleeper AI. And they get smarter over time.
Also, we must find new ways to kill the little bastards.
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RE: "The Big Four" -- I'm sorry, but you can't expect a company that is on the financial rocks (yes, due to past decisions) to prioritize something only the hardcore lore nerds will enjoy. That's not a growth market. Or a market.
To be frank, CCP owes you nothing except access to the game you still choose to pay for.
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
That the macguffin answer of "nanites" did not occur to you is mildly disturbing and/or disappointing. :p
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I understand CCPs decisions and peoples enthusiasm, but I don't really think this game is headed in a direction I enjoy.
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Maybe they harvest them for mere biomass, actually.
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Graelyn's image makes me wonder how different the drifter content would have been if players supplied no body parts...
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RE: "The Big Four" -- I'm sorry, but you can't expect a company that is on the financial rocks (yes, due to past decisions) to prioritize something only the hardcore lore nerds will enjoy. That's not a growth market. Or a market.
To be frank, CCP owes you nothing except access to the game you still choose to pay for.
I couldn't disagree more. Most successful fiction IP's prioritize setting, story, and character with no shortage of profit, avid fanbases, and attention to lore detail. They might only be a derivative/ straightforward FPS like say, HALO, but there's thousands of lore nerds pouring over all of the details and the game is a cohesive vision working within that fictional world. Or say, Starcraft, which is just a twitch based RTS, but they spend ridiculous amounts of time on the story, characters, and plot.
I'm not shitting on the drifters per se, I'm shitting on a static world. Hell even spawn of satan WOW does big expansions now where they drastically revamp longstanding NPC locations with both new npc content and huge aesthetic changes.
Also regarding the pithy money/access comment, I haven't given them any money in a long time. I paid for the game when I enjoyed the content, and then kept paying for some additional time while I enjoyed the content less, until paying them nothing for content I actively disliked.
I like the wonderfully creative and smart players and friends I've made in game and here on backstage, and I like the IP. I really, really like the IP in it's original form. If I'm critical its because I like it so damned much that I'm scared/disapointed in the direction it's going, that's all.
But you are right that it is of course not MY IP, and I'm guilty of the common fanboi trope of feeling part ownership and criticizing an IP's direction. But so much of that story is the work of players, so it's complicated.
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
That the macguffin answer of "nanites" did not occur to you is mildly disturbing and/or disappointing. :p
The amount of work those nanites would have to do, you might as well melt down the organic bits into a soup and refabricate it like a fresh clone. Infinitely simpler and much easier to integrate cybernetics into.
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
Drones in People Suits.
maybe, the brain isn't what is doing the thinking, in a Drifter humanoid form.
Maybe it's the cyberdoodads.
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
Drones in People Suits.
maybe, the brain isn't what is doing the thinking, in a Drifter humanoid form.
Maybe it's the cyberdoodads.
Agree. But why bother with the people suits?
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
Drones in People Suits.
maybe, the brain isn't what is doing the thinking, in a Drifter humanoid form.
Maybe it's the cyberdoodads.
Agree. But why bother with the people suits?
Psych warfare ?
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The Scope – Emergent Threats Prompt Unprecedented Symposium (https://youtu.be/GCZjvVxFLxI)?
Get your ass to Yulai.
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Maitchi ! :cube:
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The Scope – Emergent Threats Prompt Unprecedented Symposium (https://youtu.be/GCZjvVxFLxI)?
Get your ass to Yulai.
Lena Amber stole my look !
/me was wearing that bananasuit before she did
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The Scope – Emergent Threats Prompt Unprecedented Symposium (https://youtu.be/GCZjvVxFLxI)?
Get your ass to Yulai.
Little late nooooooooow...
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I might be the only vfx nerd in this thread so can I just say: holy shit the volumetric smoke on that dead Raven looks amazing. I know it's likely composited, but I don't care.
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After effects ftw
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Hmmm.
I don't really see why they're harvesting the bodies and then keeping them intact, supplanting with cybernetics. The CNS is already completely fried, and you might as well melt it down into raw goop to rebuild all the cellular damage...
That's the part that really gets me. Ok, they're harvesting bodies, what in hell is actually making them usable as-is rather than remade?
Drones in People Suits.
maybe, the brain isn't what is doing the thinking, in a Drifter humanoid form.
Maybe it's the cyberdoodads.
The implants that stored their personality and memories, or the implants are connected to the FUTURE CLOUD?
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I might be the only vfx nerd in this thread so can I just say: holy shit the volumetric smoke on that dead Raven looks amazing. I know it's likely composited, but I don't care.
I have been gushingly pointing all the smoke and debris in those ship kills out to my friends.
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So, having watched this at last, I'm pretty much with the YouTube commentators: say what you like, this is pretty neat. I'm not necessarily "hyped," but I am engaged.
This community gets way too bittervet for me sometimes.
About the Raven graphics: aren't there hints going back a ways that suggested they meant to update ship explosions at some point and maybe just never got it to work to their satisfaction? I think there was Empyrean Age wallpaper that had a Raven breaking up almost exactly like that one.
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Enjoy:
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About the Raven graphics: aren't there hints going back a ways that suggested they meant to update ship explosions at some point and maybe just never got it to work to their satisfaction? I think there was Empyrean Age wallpaper that had a Raven breaking up almost exactly like that one.
There are models of broken ships in the game files, but they aren't meant to be used outside of mission environments. What happened here is they took that broken Raven model and reattached it, then keyframed the pieces to fall off in the expected fashion. All the fire, smoke, sparks, and tiny bits and pieces would come from software like X-Particles or Particular. Then you just need to composite the pieces in After Effects, Nuke, or Composite.
It's also possible to create the whole thing in Maya, C4D, etc., but that's decidedly not how they're doing it and frankly might even take more time because the render time between iterations would be unnecessarily long. It's best practice to break things up into pieces. (See what I did there?)
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Added a guide cause why not?
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Yes, this, basically.
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[13:34:30] Shobhan Roy: hell
[13:34:33] Shobhan Roy: I sawed a drake in half
[13:34:35] Shobhan Roy: with a scorpion
[13:34:38] Shobhan Roy: until someone beats that
[13:34:40] Shobhan Roy: imma chill out
[13:34:50] Gordon Frederickson: "how should I kill this Drake?"
[13:34:53] Gordon Frederickson: "down the center"
[13:34:58] Shobhan Roy: rofl
[13:34:58] Shobhan Roy: yeah
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It's a pretty fuckin cool concept, I'm liking it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFy2KTGYlYI
Hide yo kids, hide yo wife, hide yo husband, 'cause they be body snatching e'erybody out here!
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something something Apotheosis through those wormholes
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Three Dog?!
Also, from the ticker:
Theology Council press release dispels rumors of Empress Jamyl I ill health
Hm.
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something something Apotheosis through those wormholes
Apotheosises are cute. :(
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something something Apotheosis through those wormholes
Apotheosises are cute. :(
I meant use the jove ship to travel through the jove wormhole in game :P
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Drifters are beating Nation in the space-necromancer business now.
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http://forums.spacebattles.com/threads/eve-online-borg.332853/
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omfg kyoko wins.
/thread
/drifter plot
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https://twitter.com/ansloscope/status/583723282408415232
So this happened. Supers got pinged. Welp.
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Nice angle from CCP on this one :) kudos to their team
One of the things Caroline's Star reminded me of is Arthur C. Clarke's 'Hammer of God' book.
In it, scientists develop a gigaton bomb called 'Excalibur' as mentioned in the IG Summit by Ottom Ephesianos in his thread A Search: The cursed lance.
This gigaton bomb is designed and detonated in Earth's Orbit of the sun, but on the other side of the sun. it releases a great number of microwaves designed to scatter on all solar objects, every asteroid, every snowball, rock and ice chunk, so that Scientists back on Earth can form a comprehensive light-speed based singular image of the location of all objects, based on the rate microwaves disseminate from the bomb and the rate the information is received back on earth via distance to target distance back to telescope metrics.
As such the IC Blog Horizons and Reflections: The story of Haria Haritimado is a beautiful hommage to Arthur C Clarke's work, extended through the medium of the EVE Online universe, and it's storyline based on receivers / listening posts of remote origin.
It's entirely conceivable, though, that Jove Observatories were managing something similar to the Egonics Inc. chronicle.
Hopefully it gives an insight into the whole Cartesian Temporal Co-ordinator and what scripts are prepared once the 'time' is ascertained, especially given the Femto (TED Talk Ramesh Raskar; Imaging at a trillion frames per second https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_9vd4HWlVA) photography in our world today.
Way back on the old forums people briefly talked about resonance fields and time dilation as a process of indescriminate homogeny at different rates of information exchange.
Although those Jovian Observatories are capable of such homogeny, it would be a bit of a waste of the whole plot reveal in a really old novella called Forsaken Ruins. It would not be inkeeping with the slow storyline of 'The Other' makes Jamyl Sarum a pidgeon after leaving the Construct with no body theme.
On another track it's still a beautiful story, albeit the longest running "The return of the oh wait, no wait, you're kidding" plot reveal in history (sic)
Considering how many notable sci-fi storylines have been given a nod in the EVE Story, either through independant discovery or inspiration it's most likely that the Caroline's star event was obtuse to the Seylinn incident's reveal of the wormholes and more directly a massive cyno offset out of the way of the intended target :)
Does the Amarr Empire ingame listing still record 514 Amarrian systems in the corp sections?
just thought i'd pop in to wave some hands for the hype train :)
as for those 2 missing Observatories, likely polar themselves to time-sync a central observation point
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https://twitter.com/ansloscope/status/583723282408415232
So this happened. Supers got pinged. Welp.
Read the topic. Having trouble working out what happened.
Are we actually talking supercapitals getting taken out by Drifters? That would be (1) really neat and (2) surprising.
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Borascus, gotta say that was the most cryptic post i've ever seen here in Backstage.... and my only conclusion is i need to do a whole lot of reading.
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The newest threat yet to life as we know it in New Eden:
http://newedenexpress.com/2015/04/15/null-sec-coalition-declares-allegiance-to-true-emperor-of-amarr/ (http://newedenexpress.com/2015/04/15/null-sec-coalition-declares-allegiance-to-true-emperor-of-amarr/)
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I don't see how that is a particular threat.
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https://twitter.com/ansloscope/status/583723282408415232
So this happened. Supers got pinged. Welp.
Read the topic. Having trouble working out what happened.
Are we actually talking supercapitals getting taken out by Drifters? That would be (1) really neat and (2) surprising.
lol no of course not. We used supers to haze them. No one died.
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https://twitter.com/ansloscope/status/583723282408415232
So this happened. Supers got pinged. Welp.
Read the topic. Having trouble working out what happened.
Are we actually talking supercapitals getting taken out by Drifters? That would be (1) really neat and (2) surprising.
lol no of course not. We used supers to haze them. No one died.
Dang. :P
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=421260&p=1
Turnt!
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Drifters all over the Empire.
(http://www.pristina.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/panic.gif)
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Fearmongers! :P
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New Scope video.
https://youtu.be/1cVy35E-pjY
Confirmed Amarr plot, ahoy!
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Is it just me or is the world ending more often these days?
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it's not world ending. It's just capsuleers being afraid of losing their ship.
frigate fleets kill drifters with minimal losses. Drifters aren't the end of the world. They're the end of the current iteration of Russian bot ratters. In six months they'll be farm material and the bots will have updated scripts.
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New Scope video.
https://youtu.be/1cVy35E-pjY
Confirmed Amarr plot, ahoy!
"The 4 empires would never let us use ships like that. The drifters are just below the Jove in the ranking chart...which puts them well above the 4 empires.
Who are well above Concord, who curbstomps us". Daedwartin http://forums.spacebattles.com