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Title: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 03 Mar 2015, 08:32
Hello, all.

So, Aria's been invited, by Amarrian Arkon Sarain, to tour Dam-Torsad.

If I can get his approval, I'd like to make this a collaborative effort. Resources on the city are a bit thin (and at least one is written through decidedly hostile eyes), so I'd be interested in having us as a community, and Amarrian roleplayers in particular, come up with a sense of the sights, sounds, and sense of the place.

Aria's curiosity and eagerness to see a picture from all possible angles outweighs her sense of self-preservation. She does, however, have the sense to cover her pod jacks. (And, on the unlikely chance it becomes an issue, she updates her backup archive before leaving the Emperor Family Academy). Arkon, depending, might or might not try to keep her to more secure areas.

I'm still trying to think how to organize this. My first impulse is to go for merry chaos: we write out our characters' actions, you merry lot collectively "play" the city, with the understanding that this is a tour, not a pulp adventure story.

If this goes middling well (and I mean for us, not for Aria), it'll become the basis for Aria's next "Sojourn" entry. If it goes really well, we can copy it across to Eve Fiction and have ourselves a collaborative short story.

What say you?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Mar 2015, 09:05
Well, things to keep in mind:

1) Dam-Torsad refers to the entire city. Dam as a prefix basically seems to mean 'great' or 'greater' or 'whole', as in the greater Torsad area. The actual city is simply Torsad.

2) Dam-Torsad has spread across the entire Amarr Island, and all of the previous city states were incorporated into it as subdistricts. By lore we know of at least the following:

Torsad-Laur
Torsad-Unan
Torsad-Edras
Torsad-Iphria
Torsad-Istha
Torsad-Melekel

3) Amarr worship old age. They favor history and wisdom and experience. While there will certainly be modern parts of Dam-Torsad, with golden skyscrapers framing the skyline, you should expect a significant part of it to contain buildings, roads, statues, and other artwork that is hundreds or thousands of years old, painstakingly preserved and maintained into the modern age. We know at the very least that Torsad-Laur is made of mudbrick buildings and narrow cobblestone streets, similar to historical medieval cities maintained to the modern day like Visby (which I live in, so that gives me a lot of insight into this kind of place). Treat Dam-Torsad as a world heritage site. Similar to RL heritage sites, expect the older areas to actually be the more expensive parts to live in, with many probably being vacation houses that are empty most of the time. There will also probably be quite a lot of ruins, left as ruins as part of their aesthetic (in Visby for example, a significant portion of the old churches are just the stone superstructure, the only thing that survived their burning. These superstructures are left as ruins, rather than rebuilding the church, as the ruin itself is historical. Dam-Torsad will probably be similar).

Considering the age and expansion of DT, expect different areas to have different architectural styles depending on when they were built. Laur is described with fairly medieval appearance, while DT is also known for having been a center for art and renaissance during later years. Walking through different parts of DT will be like walking through different parts of Amarrian history.

4) Amarr considers certain things to be so sacred that visits by the less pure are considered sacrilegious. Expect the most religious sites to only be open to outside viewing, with the interiors restricted to only guests of noble birth or higher. See the issue surrounding the Cathedral of St. Tal-Romon for an example, which was moved to Dam-Torsad and in which commoners and tourists are not permitted.

5) The main Cathedral of Dam-Torsad is the most religious site in the Empire, and is treated similarly to Jerusalem/Mecca, seeing scores of pilgrims yearly.

6) Dam-Torsad has a mild temperate environment and doesn't see snow except at its northest points. The landscaping is also flat. There is however one religiously significant mountain present on the island.

7) DT is described as having many cathedrals along a rocky coast and multiple zoos and menageries.

8 ) Hedion University has a subcampus in the city. The other major schools probably do also.

9) Dam-Torsad is loud and communal. It's a place where people are expected to be social and engaged with each other. As such, expect a friendly population that is quick to greet you with a smile even though you're a stranger. It almost certainly sees a lot of traffic by foreigners and bloodlines of all kinds, as multicultural tourist sites tend to be, so non-Amarr don't have to worry about as much immediate negative reception as in less-visited cities. On the other hand, despite Amarr's heavy-handed nature, expect a lot of petty crime for similar reasons, especially during tourist seasons.

10) The majority of the slave population of Torsad-Laur were emancipated, as they were high gen academics. A significant portion of these probably continue to live as free men in the city, though their prospects may not be as good especially since living in Dam-Torsad is probably more expensive than elsewhere (in an RP I had with Aldrith, Sami was working with the Order of Weeping Suns at a Salvation Church clinic in Torsad-Laur to provide support and care to former slaves who fell between the cracks after their release, especially drug addicts).

11) As the capital city, expect embassies to be located here.

Sources:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Amarr_Island
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dam-Torsad_(Chronicle) (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Dam-Torsad_(Chronicle))
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chained_to_the_Sky_(Chronicle) (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Chained_to_the_Sky_(Chronicle))
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Font
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Korsavius on 03 Mar 2015, 11:17
Dam-Torsad (http://youtu.be/GI53ydJaus8?t=1m8s)?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Mar 2015, 11:25
Certainly the more modern parts of it, yeah.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 03 Mar 2015, 11:36
To add on what Samira already said, I would expect to see the modern districts of the city (meaning, the golden skyscrappers towering everything with aerial traffic and all) to be located elsewhere, not on the central historic areas, if we consider they still exist. Or maybe the central ones got erased and transformed progressively into the modern city while other districts remained for some medieval or at least, museum pieces.

What makes me say that is simply that living near Paris, which is often negatively referred here as a 'museum city' (don't tell that to locals except if you really want to piss them off), this is exactly how it goes. The city was burned down to the ground past the Renaissance and Classic periods since it was the most dense city of Europe and so became infamously unclean and dirty which caused a lot of sanitary issues (they just found a few days ago a new catacomb site with burried corpses just next to the basement of a mall...). The first renovation happened under one the kings (don't remember which one) which rebuilded all the importance palaces and then the Haussman renovation of the 19th century literally destroyed the whole rest of the city to build it anew around them, which took 20 years, with its meticulously arranged avenues and buildings we have today. Everything is codified in height, architecture and design, at least in the core city that still falls under the Haussman plans. Basically, almost nothing has changed since then except mundane things like street materials, decorum, modern equipment, etc. Strict rules forbids to build too high, even on the outskirts, for example. Everything exists to preserve historical value at all costs. When a historical building or a venue falls into decay, it has to be renovated, but it is never razed to the ground to make place for something else.

The modern city with the few skyskrappers (the financial city if you will) is located nearby on the north west and towers at a safe distance from the capital, for which the boundaries have been closed for centuries and actually cause a lot of issues today (everything tends to grow and grow, and when you don't expand the envelop of the city, it starts to crack literally in terms of density, facing back the exact same issues it had before the renovation, thus why we currently see a lot of heated debates between liberals vs everyone else on the limits that should be kept and the limits that should disappear). Anyway, that financial city was built in the 60's - 70's where it was all about concrete and ugly stuff, and actually towers above the outlying miserable towns that live on its feet. It's even more grim since the city is actually located on a huge concrete platform above. Today they spare no money to tear down what is now considered ugly and grim. Transportation, infrastructure, and everything keeps being rebuilt in modern versions, in stark contrast with the capital itself.

I live in a country that is basically covered by medieval and old cities, you will often find the exact same policy in those, but to a degree, because those are all very different. Some have lost most of their architectural side for whatever reason while keeping things like city walls and cathedrals, some to the contrary are living medieval museums, etc. My point is that while all of this process of modernization and evolution through ages is fascinating in itself, it's becomes rather complicated when you have to deal not only with urban architecture and modernization, but also by the everyday necessities of the people still living here. It is also why when you say that a lot of expensive parts being about empty vacation houses, it may be true for some towns, but not for others.

So, I guess i'm rambling a lot but I would not expect to see a lot of old and modern city intermingled at all. To me, for those precise reasons, it makes not much sense. I think that's the trap to avoid falling into. They can perfectly face each other, like 2 completely different worlds, but not live together, like an old cathedral suddenly surrounded by skyscrappers or whatever. If they really wanted to keep the city as a museum, they wouldn't have let the skyscrappers around to begin with. What I would definitely expect though, since people will probably still live there, is a lot of infrastructure modernization, like maglev trains, etc, coexisting with the old, medieval parts.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Mar 2015, 12:24
That's why I think it'd be based on the districts. It's not just Paris (using your example), it's the greater Paris metro area, comprised of Paris and all the suburban sprawl miles and miles away from the skyscrapers. For another example, the New York metropolitan area (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_metropolitan_area), which includes over 19 cities. So, using this example, Torsad is New York City, while Dam-Torsad is the New York metropolitan area. So Torsad itself, the capital city, is probably almost all modern and gold skyscrapers. While the subdistricts, Laur, Unan, Edras, etc, those would probably be more preserved cities/boroughs/towns.

Dam-Torsad is a huuuge area, comprising of both the capital city of Torsad as well as every other city that existed on Amarr Island. It is one big city, but also multiple cities. So while Torsad itself is probably gold skyscrapers far as the eye can see, once you take a tram to, say, Laur, you cross district borders and go through the old stone wall into a more traditional part.

And there is probably, like you said, efforts by more progressive parties to continue to expand the modern bits, even where it must replace and run over the traditional sites.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 03 Mar 2015, 12:47
Yeah, though I wonder how far it could go to actually replace the old traditional sites. Especially in a culture like the Amarr. I mean, I would not expect them to be very tolerant to tearing down old buildings with a lot of history to build modern ones. That's why I used that example too because it's kind of similar (and also because it's a big city example), we see around a lot of people arguing on the urban rules that should be changed, how being too conservative actually makes the city choke, or being too liberal disfigures it, but if there is a thing on which everyone agree, it's that you DO NOT TOUCH to the old historical stuff.  :P

So, for the Amarr ? Yeah, I see them as even hundred times more serious about that kind of things.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Mar 2015, 12:52
Yeah, exactly. Though it may depend on the emperor. A TM emperor would probably be a lot more open to tearing down the old sites. While in Doriam II's case we had the extreme inverse, "Oh my God, you do NOT touch the old historical stuff. In fact, you know what? You don't even DESERVE it. I'm going to pull a David Xanatos and move it brick by brick to my city. Can't trust you dirty Tash-Murkons with such artifacts."
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 03 Mar 2015, 13:42
Hello, all.

So, Aria's been invited, by Amarrian Arkon Sarain, to tour Dam-Torsad.

If I can get his approval, I'd like to make this a collaborative effort. Resources on the city are a bit thin (and at least one is written through decidedly hostile eyes), so I'd be interested in having us as a community, and Amarrian roleplayers in particular, come up with a sense of the sights, sounds, and sense of the place.

Aria's curiosity and eagerness to see a picture from all possible angles outweighs her sense of self-preservation. She does, however, have the sense to cover her pod jacks. (And, on the unlikely chance it becomes an issue, she updates her backup archive before leaving the Emperor Family Academy). Arkon, depending, might or might not try to keep her to more secure areas.

I'm still trying to think how to organize this. My first impulse is to go for merry chaos: we write out our characters' actions, you merry lot collectively "play" the city, with the understanding that this is a tour, not a pulp adventure story.

If this goes middling well (and I mean for us, not for Aria), it'll become the basis for Aria's next "Sojourn" entry. If it goes really well, we can copy it across to Eve Fiction and have ourselves a collaborative short story.

What say you?

Well I'm game :0  And I can ask the amarr rpers  I know if you want me to, many don't check backstage!
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 03 Mar 2015, 14:08
Great idea, and also wanted to tell you great IGS post about your upcoming tour. Well written and a good read!


These fine Amarr RPers have got it pretty well covered I think!

My two isk:

I would maybe disagree with the point about 'petty crime' though, at least in the capital.  I would think of street crime as not a thing that happens in the capital in the slightest. The crimes are behind closed doors in private, thought crimes and crimes against the religion.  I think the Empire is probably so heavy-handed and the city so sacred as even minor offenses would land you in serious hot water. It's like Japan or some parts of Europe where street and petty crime is just a foreign concept for most of the citizens, you can walk around at night in any part of the city and be completely safe most of the time.

I would also imagine 'escorts' or 'minders' for all citizens of foreign governments while inside the Empire and most especially the capital city.  I have to find the PF reference but I believe there was something about the MIO (Ministry of Internal Order), basically doing KGB/Big Brother style observing and tailing of all foreigners whenever possible.  They wouldn't be intrusive, necessarily, but likely present and observing and keeping tabs on activities.

Don't forget the Empire is much more of a repressive thought-police state than we give them credit for sometimes.  It just looks un-repressive sometimes because 99% of the populace is rowing in the same direction, and those thinking or acting different have learned to do so in private or in extremely subtle ways, and the level of sticking out tolerated is maybe inverse to the level of birth.

I could be very wrong about the petty crime things but that's my take on it!


There were those old drawings of the more developed parts of Dam Torsad from way back, sort of generic sci fi coruscant city with amarr colors and shapes.  I'd imagine towards the larger and more important religious sites you get the grand, massive plazas and kilometer high cathedrals able to hold millions of people at the same time for coronations or whatever.  St Peter's in Rome x 1000 basically in scale.

Have fun!

Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Mar 2015, 14:20
Tourist cities will always have crime. Always. (http://www.popcenter.org/problems/crimes_against_tourists/) In Visby, we have basically no crime all year. Then tourism season hits. Suddenly crime.

Pickpocketing especially will be prominent during tourist seasons, since it's extremely easy to get away with in a packed city full of tourists who have no idea what they're doing and are very distracted. Then there'd also be alcohol-related crimes by the tourists themselves; "vacation behavior". That will certainly get punished, but that will be after the fact.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 03 Mar 2015, 14:40
That novella is relevant I think (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Artifice_Maker)

There is also that chronicle I don't remember the name of, where a Caldari inexperienced assistant has to replace his senpai ambassador that fell ill. Just right when they have to pay a visit to the Amarr. He makes a gaffe about their age iirc.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 03 Mar 2015, 15:06
That novella is relevant I think (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Artifice_Maker)

There is also that chronicle I don't remember the name of, where a Caldari inexperienced assistant has to replace his senpai ambassador that fell ill. Just right when they have to pay a visit to the Amarr. He makes a gaffe about their age iirc.

That second one would be Catch of the Day (http://community.eveonline.com/backstory/short-stories/catch-of-the-day/). Both of these are definitely great sources on Amarr behavior in general.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 03 Mar 2015, 15:19
Hrm.

I'll leave the details of the setting to thems as has more stake in it. Lunarisse, I'd love to have more Amarrian roleplayers involved. The more the merrier, so long as this doesn't get too bogged down in conflicting worldviews.

What say we figure out who's involved, then I'll start up a separate topic for the actual scenes, so we can use this thread for wrangling the details.





A few notes on Aria:

Aria, in terms of personal effects, is easily as eccentric as you'd expect. She carries no bag, and her clothing, though selected with an eye to blending in as best she can,  is conspicuously without pockets.

She carries nothing of value that is usable if separated from the rest of her, and the only thing of value at all is a new-generation cybernetic personal data system in the form of a bracelet on her left wrist. It's surgically attached and hardwired to respond only to her own cybernetic implants, though.

She also (in sharp contrast to Aria Prime) travels unarmed and without a personal security escort.

Any minders with a file on her would probably be aware that, though paranoid, Aria Prime was often downright reckless on planetary visits. She surrounded herself with bodyguards, but moved around like an excited teenager on holiday, got an impish kick out of messing with her security detail, and accepted no limitations on her movements based on security concerns (though she did tend to respect local rules).

It remains to be seen whether the revised and edited edition will be a similar problem. That said, if the MIO is aware of her background, they might have assigned a couple good sprinters.

Edit:

Just read "Catch of the Day." Interesting stuff, but made me want to set Gaspar on fire.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Louella Dougans on 03 Mar 2015, 16:45
the MIO would have agents everywhere.

those dudes that are apparently singing praises to God, while shuffling along the street ? At least one of them is MIO.

The slaver hound with the orange eyebrows ? A MIO K-9 agent.

Not to mention of course, all the MIO agents whose job is to watch other MIO agents.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 03 Mar 2015, 17:06
Hello, all.

So, Aria's been invited, by Amarrian Arkon Sarain, to tour Dam-Torsad.

If I can get his approval, I'd like to make this a collaborative effort.

Just chipping in to say that of course the more the merrier :D

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 03 Mar 2015, 17:20
Looks like we're about good, then.

Let's see if we can get a good list of involved persons and a basic sense that we're ready to go, and then it's game on!
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 13:54
If that wasn't clear, please give a holler here if you're participating.

Planning on getting the actual thread up and the opening scene underway Friday morning, GMT.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 04 Mar 2015, 14:47
I'm not sure. I lack confidence and time. :P

Also, it is to basically play the world around in Dam-Torsad right ? NPCs and stuff ?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 18:14
I'm not sure. I lack confidence and time. :P

Also, it is to basically play the world around in Dam-Torsad right ? NPCs and stuff ?

NPCs, environment, etc. Worldbuilding.

For example, a character looks around at the skyline.

Someone will need to come up with a good description of the Torsad skyline.

We're using this thread to hash out ideas, then another to bring them to life-- in a highly informal way ('cause formal ends up being more trouble than it's worth).

Example: after the skyline post, someone here says, "Don't forget-- the Imperial Palace is somewhere around!"

The person who posted the skyline might go "Oh, right," and write it in, or the next poster might write a specific blurb about this icon of the Torsad landscape.

If it works well, great! If not, we'll refine our technique. I don't want to take this so seriously that nobody has fun, but I also think we've got a pretty impressive bunch of heads on our collective shoulders.

It's an experiment.

I believe the community at large will have the right to veto blatant silliness, whether they claim it or not.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 19:00
Oh! ME ME ME! Arkon why didn't you tell me about this last night? :(

I'd love to join in with this, my guy has to go to his home anyways, if you guys are still looking for peoples to join then let me know :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 19:03
Oh! ME ME ME! Arkon why didn't you tell me about this last night :(

Hahaha XD Because I wasn't sure if playing NPCs and the world was your thing, but if it is go for it I am leaving most of the logistics of this cool little experiment with Aria because I am lazy. :lol:

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 19:05
Not a good enough answer.. I will remember this! :twisted:

I will test out my NPC fu tonight :D
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 19:50
Eli: Great!





So, early topic for discussion: clothing.

Aria's doing her homework ahead of this trip. Qualities looked for:

Comfortability: very high. This is a tour, not a formal gathering. Footwear (in contrast to EVERYTHING in the "typical" [read: Captain's Quarters] female capsuleer's shoe rack) will be sensible, designed for a lot of walking. Clothing will also be climate and season-appropriate.

Cultural sensitivity: high. She's trying to blend in as much as possible and avoid being an uncouth foreigner.

Movement: unrestricted. Culturally-mandated headaches such as narrow skirts will be subtly altered to allow this, if doing so will not give offense. Given the choice, she'll go for more comfortable and easier to scurry around in.

Modesty: high. Achura aren't necessarily very body-conscious, but revealing or overly-tight clothing is, at best, rudely distracting. See also, cultural sensitivity, supra.

Color: black, unless this will cause direct offense or the automatic assumption that she's in mourning.

Fashionability: irrelevant, aside from avoiding attention.

"Foreign" -ness: as low as possible without giving offense. "A heathen trying to pass as one of us? UNFORGIVABLE!!" <-- if this is a likely attitude, she'll actively try to avoid invoking it while still adopting as much of the local look as she can.

Essentially, unless it will piss people off, she's trying to be easily mistaken for a small, maybe somewhat eccentric, local female Khanid baseliner.

What does this entail?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aldrith Shutaq on 04 Mar 2015, 20:02
I have a channel for Izoni Square! (That's The Cauldron in 'Chained to the Sky'.)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 20:05
I have a channel for Izoni Square! (That's The Cauldron in 'Chained to the Sky'.)

May be a little complicated to weave in (slow RP and fast RP are hard to mix)....

Whether or not we manage that, you're more than welcome to take part in the rest!
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 20:07
Oh.. Tricky one, depends really, in the temple, posh and palace districts you would be expected to be formal, especial with the temple and palace, would you actually be re-customizing your avatar or is this purely for imagery and being in depth?

As for black, it isn't a common clothing color for Amarr.. Mainly finery stuff, lots of gold trip, or extremely humble and bland, that is just in the main districts, in the normal ones that outsiders frequent there would be occasional people wearing normal stuff, like stuff you'd see in the state and such..

I would try and go with a humble look (See the Amarr character creator, the outfit the Amarr female is wearing) would be the best bet, would make you basically invisible and fit into all districts. As far as Khanid goes i am not so sure.. They look like they wear a mixture of Caldari business wear with an Amarrian twist.. But that is just how i see it
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 20:19
Oh.. Tricky one, depends really, in the temple, posh and palace districts you would be expected to be formal, especial with the temple and palace, would you actually be re-customizing your avatar or is this purely for imagery and being in depth?

Already did a little re-customizing to look a bit more formal. It involved a certain high-necked "dress" (more like an elaborate shirt, but whatever). What you currently see on Aria's portrait isn't her preferred wear (though she's getting used to it).

However, I am not tweaking my avatar for the occasion, no. For one thing, that would require me to find a good pair of flats, which are apparently either mythical or below a female capsuleer's dignity.
 
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As for black, it isn't a common clothing color for Amarr.. Mainly finery stuff, lots of gold trip, or extremely humble and bland, that is just in the main districts, in the normal ones that outsiders frequent there would be occasional people wearing normal stuff, like stuff you'd see in the state and such..

Didn't the Ni-Kunni used to wear kind of a lot of black?

Also, are robes an acceptably-respectful (and gender-neutral) stand-in for formal finery?

(All of a sudden I'm imagining Aria as a 4'10" Sith lord.)

If not, Aria may well arrange for a change of clothes at some point, though she's personally traveling light to the point of essentially being accompanied only by the clothes on her back and a (substantial) Kredit account.

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I would try and go with a humble look (See the Amarr character creator, the outfit the Amarr female is wearing) would be the best bet, would make you basically invisible and fit into all districts. As far as Khanid goes i am not so sure.. They look like they wear a mixture of Caldari business wear with an Amarrian twist.. But that is just how i see it.

Hm. Noting that all clothing in the character creators is necessarily capsuleer clothing. There may be other options.

Maybe?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 20:34
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As for black, it isn't a common clothing color for Amarr.. Mainly finery stuff, lots of gold trip, or extremely humble and bland, that is just in the main districts, in the normal ones that outsiders frequent there would be occasional people wearing normal stuff, like stuff you'd see in the state and such..

Didn't the Ni-Kunni used to wear kind of a lot of black?

Also, are robes an acceptably-respectful (and gender-neutral) stand-in for formal finery?

(All of a sudden I'm imagining Aria as a 4'10" Sith lord.)

Perhaps this might help a little: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ni-Kunni#Fashion (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Ni-Kunni#Fashion) :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 20:49
Yeah, as always my dear friend Arkon beats me by a mile :P i didnt know that kind of page existed, but 4'10" Sith lord is pretty close to Khanid, i think at least :P

Black is good, dark colors, dark browns and reds, deep colors.

And yes, robes are good too, especially for formal attire.

P.s. I love how in-depth this stuff gets! :D
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 04 Mar 2015, 21:05
Eli: Great!





So, early topic for discussion: clothing.

Aria's doing her homework ahead of this trip. Qualities looked for:

Comfortability: very high. This is a tour, not a formal gathering. Footwear (in contrast to EVERYTHING in the "typical" [read: Captain's Quarters] female capsuleer's shoe rack) will be sensible, designed for a lot of walking. Clothing will also be climate and season-appropriate.

Cultural sensitivity: high. She's trying to blend in as much as possible and avoid being an uncouth foreigner.

Movement: unrestricted. Culturally-mandated headaches such as narrow skirts will be subtly altered to allow this, if doing so will not give offense. Given the choice, she'll go for more comfortable and easier to scurry around in.

Modesty: high. Achura aren't necessarily very body-conscious, but revealing or overly-tight clothing is, at best, rudely distracting. See also, cultural sensitivity, supra.

Color: black, unless this will cause direct offense or the automatic assumption that she's in mourning.

Fashionability: irrelevant, aside from avoiding attention.

"Foreign" -ness: as low as possible without giving offense. "A heathen trying to pass as one of us? UNFORGIVABLE!!" <-- if this is a likely attitude, she'll actively try to avoid invoking it while still adopting as much of the local look as she can.

Essentially, unless it will piss people off, she's trying to be easily mistaken for a small, maybe somewhat eccentric, local female Khanid baseliner.

What does this entail?

Clothing will vary widely. What we do know is that Amarr is a headwear culture, especially hoods and headscarves. These are sometimes part of robes, othertimes separate. There's also more fancy headwear but that tends to be for nobility and wealthier folk and attracts more attention. Arabesque styling and embroidery (of both Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabesque_%28Islamic_art%29) and European (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabesque_%28European_art%29) styles) is common on clothing (and buildings and ships and etc). The more common and low key the clothing, the less prominent this embroidery will be.

If you're going for a Khanid look then you may want to look at mongol attire (http://www.e-mongol.com/images/100-0032_IMG.JPG) for inspiration, as Khanid tend to be written with a mongol theme.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 04 Mar 2015, 21:25
Logistically, a suggestion (feel free to shoot down in flames :P )

Have one IC channel for the 'event' where Aria is doing all the things and such

Have another ooc channel that ooc aria is not in, filled with the npc types to ooc talk about what happens next and DM the tour.

Then maybe one of the ooc folks is the 'dm' or whatever and handles all the descriptions and typing in the IC section, taking the best of the ooc suggestions and comments and inputing them in the IC channel.

Much like suggesting forks in the travel options 'to the left is x church, to the right is y shops' and then Aria makes her intentions known and the ooc folks write up the next things and inserting npcs

Might be fun :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 21:29
That is a great idea! That way as well we dont have multiple people writing several things at once that are all different
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 04 Mar 2015, 21:30
As an example of something Samira might be referring to, Morwen once wore something like this (http://i.imgur.com/QBWYA.jpg) to an Amarrian function. (Mitara forwarded a compliment to the effect that I'd dressed more Amarrian than most of the Amarrians afterward. :cube: )

This seems like it would be fun but I think I would play a better tourist than scenery painter or NPC puppeteer, so I'll just keep an eye out and watch how it proceeds.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 21:34
Logistically, a suggestion (feel free to shoot down in flames :P )

Have one IC channel for the 'event' where Aria is doing all the things and such

Have another ooc channel that ooc aria is not in, filled with the npc types to ooc talk about what happens next and DM the tour.

Then maybe one of the ooc folks is the 'dm' or whatever and handles all the descriptions and typing in the IC section, taking the best of the ooc suggestions and comments and inputing them in the IC channel.

Much like suggesting forks in the travel options 'to the left is x church, to the right is y shops' and then Aria makes her intentions known and the ooc folks write up the next things and inserting npcs

Might be fun :)

Hrrrrm. Neat idea.

Tell you guys what: I'll butt out of this channel once we actually get moving. I'd almost suggest that Arkon do the same, only he actually knows his way around, IC, so he should probably be privy to "previews."
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 21:38
Logistically, a suggestion (feel free to shoot down in flames :P )

Have one IC channel for the 'event' where Aria is doing all the things and such

Have another ooc channel that ooc aria is not in, filled with the npc types to ooc talk about what happens next and DM the tour.

Then maybe one of the ooc folks is the 'dm' or whatever and handles all the descriptions and typing in the IC section, taking the best of the ooc suggestions and comments and inputing them in the IC channel.

Much like suggesting forks in the travel options 'to the left is x church, to the right is y shops' and then Aria makes her intentions known and the ooc folks write up the next things and inserting npcs

Might be fun :)

Hrrrrm. Neat idea.

Tell you guys what: I'll butt out of this channel once we actually get moving. I'd almost suggest that Arkon do the same, only he actually knows his way around, IC, so he should probably be privy to "previews."

I like this idea too, and yeah as long as I have enough to write Arkon as being the informed guide that he is then that works for me - so previews or whatever we wish to call them would be a good call I think. :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 21:44
OOC Orgnaisers
Me - Okay, so what is next guys?
Guy 1 - When lets say shops are left and church is right
Guy 2 - Yeah

IC Tour
Arkon - /me heads to the left towards the shops with the thought of food "Please Ms. Jenneth this way, lets get something to eat"
Me - /me as they go left around the corner they enter a large church

Haha! :P sorry, just popped into my head, and couldnt not say it, but yeah, it will help it seem more in-depth and will make more sense if Arkon is fully informed and all that, that way the OCC peoples and NPC can start typing and be ready for it as well :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 21:58
Okay, since this is going to be more dependent on my actions than I anticipated, a heads-up:

I will be mostly out on Friday. I'll start things rolling with an initial post in about 24 hours, but will not be highly active for a further 36 after that. I suggest using this time to develop some pre-rendered ideas, a "buffer," if you will. These need not be laid out on a set map or choice grid, but should maybe cover some key areas you (and Arkon) want to be sure to hit.

I will be highly active once I wake up Saturday, and I rise early for a West Coast American (~5 AM Pacific Time).

Naturally, I won't be looking in here after I set down my first post. If you villains are going to have me mugged or worse, I don' wanna know 'bout it.  :P

... or about the amazing cathedral I just missed out on.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 22:05
Haha! I like you :) you like my funnies :P

I may have been scribbling up an actual map with titles and stuff.. I will talk to Arkon tonight about it, unless he is leaving me all alone tonight.. :'(

And mugging hey?... I sense a car chase coming on :D i joke.. Maybe a stabbing or 2.. Roadside bomb.. Daemons maybe :P

Dont worry Aria, we will make this great for you and your RP :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 22:06
Okay, since this is going to be more dependent on my actions than I anticipated, a heads-up:

I will be mostly out on Friday. I'll start things rolling with an initial post in about 24 hours, but will not be highly active for a further 36 after that. I suggest using this time to develop some pre-rendered ideas, a "buffer," if you will. These need not be laid out on a set map or choice grid, but should maybe cover some key areas you (and Arkon) want to be sure to hit.

Naturally, I won't be looking in. If you villains are going to have me mugged or worse, I don' wanna know 'bout it.  :P

... or about the amazing cathedral I just missed out on.

Sounds like a rough plan then, alright so who do we have as volunteers for the world building/NPC running? From looking back on thread I can see (in no particular order):

Eli Sariah
Morwen Lagann
Lyn Farel?
Lunarisse Aspenstar

Is that all that we have at the mo? :D

Also I have put up the OOC coordination channel, please head to: DT OOC

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 22:10
No particular order? Oh you know how to make me feel special :P putting me at the top you ;P

:D wait.. DT OCC? Don't Trust channel?  :cry:

On this though, I will talk to you tonight (Arkon) and we can hammer out a basic thing and then refine it, see what we can do, try and make this as engaging and awesome as possible
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 22:25
... Okay. We can do a separate channel for plotting, and I can stick around here to make OOC requests if need be.

Oh, look, here comes one now!

Can someone write me a weather report?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 22:27
DONE!

One request, would you like it to be a happy day? OR would you like to go flying in 600km winds with several cyclones? You know.. So i can make it good :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 22:33
... Okay. We can do a separate channel for plotting, and I can stick around here to make OOC requests if need be.

Oh, look, here comes one now!

Can someone write me a weather report?

Made you an operator of the channel just in case you want to jump in and edit anything. :)

Probably worth doing up a quick shopping list of things needed to go ahead:

Weather report (Check Samira's awesome post on the first page for help on that front),
Sights to be visited (I will work up a list of the places Arkon would definitely take Aria to see),
Possibly branching stories (i.e. one of us gets pick pocketed, obviously we (Arkon and Aria) should be in the dark on these. I will just say that obviously nothing involving one of our character's being killed),
Timeline (are we going to do this all in one day? Or perhaps a two day journey?),
Key NPCs (tied closely to the branching narratives and sights to be visited) and who will be writing them,
Who will be writing what (I would suggest alternating roles to avoid someone feeling like they are stuck playing a tree in the school play).

That is all I can think of now.

On this though, I will talk to you tonight (Arkon) and we can hammer out a basic thing and then refine it, see what we can do, try and make this as engaging and awesome as possible


Of course happy to chip in, but I would want to hear from everyone involved especially those who are going to playing the NPCs and the world as it is important that they find the experience enjoyable too. :)

But yeah that is why DT OOC is there for brainstorming and the like.

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 22:34
I think the cyclones would result in Aria suggesting they visit another time.

Considerations that might go into this: hemisphere; latitude; climate; season; whimsy

BTW, to be clear: We ARE doing the action here on Backstage, yes? It lends itself to multiple-paragraph descriptions, when needed, and allows us to keep it up over a period of time despite various comings and goings. Given how long it takes to write an action vs. how long it takes to act, I'll get tired much faster than Aria will if I have to do it at a sitting through the Eve chat system, and my lonely first post (in 24 23 hours) is going to have gathered dust and cobwebs before I can come back to it.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Silas Vitalia on 04 Mar 2015, 22:35
I thought this was a real-time in game sort of thing?

Did those IC backstage sections get activated yet?

Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 22:37
BTW, to be clear: We ARE doing the action here on Backstage, yes? It lends itself to multiple-paragraph descriptions, when needed, and allows us to keep it up over a period of time despite various comings and goings. Given how long it takes to write an action vs. how long it takes to act, I'll get tired much faster than Aria will if I have to do it at a sitting through the Eve chat system, and my lonely first post (in 24 23 hours) is going to have gathered dust and cobwebs before I can come back to it.

I wasn't 100% sure whether you meant in-game or not, I could do it either way, but will follow what is the preference for the majority involved :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 22:38
I thought this was a real-time in game sort of thing?

Did those IC backstage sections get activated yet?

Oi.

....

Sure. We can do it that way. I'll join as early as I can Saturday and stay until the story runs its course or we're all asleep.

Mind you, this is dependent on Arkon's availability, too. The point of doing it in a "slower" format would be to allow more flexibility-- someone having to go to bed just means a lag, not an end to the event.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 22:40
Wait.. You lost me.. I thought this was via in game chat.. Are we going to do this via forum posts? :eek:

How.. How will i do my missions while doing this..  :s

Also, easy done Aria, i will work on it tonight with Arkon
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 22:42
I do think if it is possible that doing this via posts might be easier to manage.

Of course if it isn't then there is no reason that doing it in-game wouldn't work, and if RL pops up we all have the logs to refer to and can pick up where we left off next time. :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 22:46
I will just say that obviously nothing involving one of our character's being killed

I make it a personal policy that what happens to my character, happens.

Not that I'm expecting this to come into play here. If Aria ever goes to play travel writer with the Sani, though, I give it 40% odds her backup clone will end up being activated. 70% if she goes to visit anybody but Synthia and company.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 22:57
Wait.. You lost me.. I thought this was via in game chat.. Are we going to do this via forum posts? :eek:
My slight preference is for forum posts, here on Backstage.

The reason for this is partly logistical: we might have to stretch it out over a few days, depending on how long the turn-around time on posts is; Arkon and I have agreed in principle that the whole thing hasn't started to happen at all until it's finished.

It's also partly structural: in-game chat allows for faster responses, but less fine detail and more chaos. With chat, everyone's talking over everyone and it can be hard to keep up, especially with multiple writers. With forum posts, you know when someone's had their say: their post ends.

So long as we don't start using the medium to deliver essay-length speeches that cannot be interrupted on account of format, it's even a decent way to have IC conversations.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 04 Mar 2015, 23:01
An alternative forum-type venue might be the Eve Fiction section of the official forums, but that's a VERY public way to carry on the experiment. I'd rather write it out here and copy it over, if we decide we want to publish it like that.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 04 Mar 2015, 23:26
I will just say that obviously nothing involving one of our character's being killed

I make it a personal policy that what happens to my character, happens.

Not that I'm expecting this to come into play here. If Aria ever goes to play travel writer with the Sani, though, I give it 40% odds her backup clone will end up being activated. 70% if she goes to visit anybody but Synthia and company.

Having only gotten into the game 2mths ago and only now just starting to feel like I have skills to accomplish anything I am not exactly ready to kill Arkon and go back to scratch myself. XD So while I want adversity and failures, I do not want to have to biomass Arkon anytime soon. :P

Back to the subject of doing it here on the forums or in-game I will say that I would very much prefer to carry it out here instead of the EVE Fiction section of the official forums. Given that it isn't a fairly straightforward story being crafted, but one involving multiple writers I think it is better to do it within the relative safety of Backstage for now.

I agree though that posting on forums is logistically more sound, however I can see that for some it seems a little daunting and perhaps disconnecting their actions and stories from the in-game universe. But yes if pressed for a position I will say that I would prefer forum posts here. :)

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 04 Mar 2015, 23:35
I will just say that obviously nothing involving one of our character's being killed

I make it a personal policy that what happens to my character, happens.

Not that I'm expecting this to come into play here. If Aria ever goes to play travel writer with the Sani, though, I give it 40% odds her backup clone will end up being activated. 70% if she goes to visit anybody but Synthia and company.

Having only gotten into the game 2mths ago and only now just starting to feel like I have skills to accomplish anything I am not exactly ready to kill Arkon and go back to scratch myself. XD So while I want adversity and failures, I do not want to have to biomass Arkon anytime soon. :P

Back to the subject of doing it here on the forums or in-game I will say that I would very much prefer to carry it out here instead of the EVE Fiction section of the official forums. Given that it isn't a fairly straightforward story being crafted, but one involving multiple writers I think it is better to do it within the relative safety of Backstage for now.

I agree though that posting on forums is logistically more sound, however I can see that for some it seems a little daunting and perhaps disconnecting their actions and stories from the in-game universe. But yes if pressed for a position I will say that I would prefer forum posts here. :)

-A

Aww.. *Puts down shiny sniper rifle* I was looking forward to making this fun :P haha! I am up for however you think is better, just let me know :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 00:15
Having only gotten into the game 2mths ago and only now just starting to feel like I have skills to accomplish anything I am not exactly ready to kill Arkon and go back to scratch myself. XD So while I want adversity and failures, I do not want to have to biomass Arkon anytime soon. :P

In that case, sir, could I interest you in one of our fine Zainou Biotech Backup Clones ("They're Canonical! (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6487.msg109324#msg109324)")? Just set the timer and get ready to risk your life-- risk-free!

Basically, you wake up at some designated time (or when the original's death is confirmed) with no memories past when you established the backup. Only problem is, the rules against there being more than one of you seem likely to be strictly enforced. Unless CCP went into depth with this somewhere I don't know about, the legal structure there is something worth having some fun with.

The present Aria is, herself, the result of a botched (or sabotaged?) backup.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 05 Mar 2015, 00:21
In that case, sir, could I interest you in one of our fine Zainou Biotech Backup Clones ("They're Canonical! (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6487.msg109324#msg109324)")? Just set the timer and get ready to risk your life-- risk-free!

Basically, you wake up at some designated time (or when the original's death is confirmed) with no memories past when you established the backup. Only problem is, the rules against there being more than one of you seem likely to be strictly enforced. Unless CCP went into depth with this somewhere I don't know about, the legal structure there is something worth having some fun with.

The present Aria is, herself, the result of a botched (or sabotaged?) backup.

I will take ten! :lol:

But no Arkon isn't that paranoid yet, though I do plan on making him more paranoid in the future. ;)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 05 Mar 2015, 00:47
Sounds like a rough plan then, alright so who do we have as volunteers for the world building/NPC running? From looking back on thread I can see (in no particular order):

Eli Sariah
Morwen Lagann
Lyn Farel?
Lunarisse Aspenstar

Is that all that we have at the mo? :D

Also I have put up the OOC coordination channel, please head to: DT OOC

-A

Thought's appreciated, but I didn't actually volunteer; I was under the impression this was meant to be an ingame thing with some DMing to provide 'background activity' for whatever scenes you had going on in a channel, not a forum thread thing - I'm not really much of a forum-RP sort of person, and I am horrendously slow at writing things (see the "Speechless" short I wrote almost two years ago - it took me a year to actually finish it).

What I was saying was that were this happening as ingame channel RP I'm a better actor than I am a stagehand - that is, I'm better-suited to participating in the scene than being behind the curtains helping generate NPCs and sets - for the above reasons as well as the fact that I am not very comfortable worldbuilding within the Empire outside of the tiny little corner of the Kingdom that Morwen inhabits because despite sort of hanging on the outskirts of the Amarr community for almost 4 years I've never really been dragged or invited in enough to get a better feel for things.

I'm also going to be out for a chunk of Saturday afternoon/evening anyway (don't forget, Luna has a thing at the Masque that night) so the point would've been moot even if not for that or the smattering of IC issues preventing participation on my end. :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 05 Mar 2015, 05:53
I don't feel that I will have the time to fully write lenghty well written post here, especially since it takes me longer because of :english:, as well as be present all day ingame (in case of IC venue), so the best I can offer is giving ideas on the fly in the OOC section.

Color: black, unless this will cause direct offense or the automatic assumption that she's in mourning.



In a lot of cultures, it is actually white that is the mourning colour. Not sure for persian cultures (pretty sure it's not black though), but it is the case for most of the african continent (irrelevant for Amarr I guess), as well as a lot of asian cultures. I think that black for mourning is very western-ish.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 05 Mar 2015, 07:23
I can't really help with the actual "RPing the city", I'm not very good with that. But as your resident loremistress and archivist I will continue to offer my aid on that front.

The following is a list of all locations in Dam-Torsad that we can come up with. If people have come up with locations that they have used in RP, please list them and I will add them to this. Non-PF locations are in italics.

---------------

DAM-TORSAD
::Torsad

- Imperial Palace
- Office of the Imperial Chamberlain
- The Imperial Chancellor's Office
- The Imperial Court
- The Garden of Contemplation
- Government ministries
- Embassies (it's the capital city, it's almost guaranteed there are embassies here)

::Torsad-Laur (slave/commoner district)
- The Cauldron
- Izoni Square
- Chopamaia Yard
-- Arch of Nekater
- The Font
- Salvation Church Free Clinic

::Torsad-Unan
- Civil Service Office (there is probably one of these in every district)

::Torsad-Edras

::Torsad-Iphria

::Torsad-Istha

::Torsad-Melekel

::Religiously-significant mountain range (name unknown)
- Mercy's Keep, of the Order of the Weeping Sun

::Miscellaneous locations (could be in any of the above districts, or in others)
- [The Grand] Cathedral of Dam-Torsad (most holy site in the Empire)
- St. Kuria the Prophet Cathedral (probably off-limits to tourists, this is the site of emperor coronations, funerals, and other important functions)
- St. Tal-Romon Cathedral (off-limits to tourists)
- St. Junip's Cathedral ("one of Amarr Prime’s oldest and most definitive landmarks". It has a "single massive spire" and is implied to be in or near the Royal Amarr Institute campus)
- Basilica of St. Gheinok the First Prophet
- Other cathedrals, especially around the coast
- Independent Agency for Indenturee Rehabilitation (organization that helps emancipated slaves get their new lives going)
- Imperial Immortality Foundation (pro-cloning activist group)
- Hedion University Subcampus
- Royal Amarr Institute (the original campus, Amarr's oldest surviving university)
- Rocky coastline
- Zoos and menageries
- Coastal research facility (at least one)
- Old walls (probably surrounding many of the older districts, in varying degrees of ruin and preservation)
- Shuttleports, spaceports, and bioturbs
- Museums (it is a tourist city and was once the capital of art and renaissance)

Pictures from PF
[spoiler](https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/8/81/Primecity.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VKaGiC4.jpg)

(https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/f/f2/Chainedtothesky.jpg)

(https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/thumb/3/3d/Dam-Torsad_%28EVE_Fanfest_Cinematic_Trailer_2012%29.png/400px-Dam-Torsad_%28EVE_Fanfest_Cinematic_Trailer_2012%29.png)

(https://wiki.eveonline.com/wikiEN/images/thumb/1/1f/EVE_Source_Page_46_by_B%C3%B6rkur_Eir%C3%ADksson.jpg/400px-EVE_Source_Page_46_by_B%C3%B6rkur_Eir%C3%ADksson.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/W7vMzPn.jpg)
(note all the hoods, and at a religious function. Definitely a culture of hoods/headscarves. Note also the lack of seating)[/spoiler]

Note that most of the above pictures depict the core capital city, with golden skyscrapers, but Chained to the Sky confirms that there are parts of Dam-Torsad, probably the older districts, that are preserved heritage sites with cobblestone, and stone or mudbrick walls and buildings.

Here are some inspirational pictures for what the preserved areas might look like (not PF)
[spoiler]
(http://www.genealogi.se/wiki/images/9/98/Stad-visby.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/JpYqbkd.jpg)

(http://www.terragalleria.com/images/france/fran42384.jpeg)
(narrow cobblestone street)

(http://i.imgur.com/pfzCoG2.jpg)
(mudbrick)[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aedre Lafisques on 05 Mar 2015, 10:18
(whispers) Oh man, if you ever do Gallente space I'm totally in, this is great. :0  *_*
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Vieve on 05 Mar 2015, 13:08
No tunnels?


Hmm.  I'd have thought that in some districts, there are underground thoroughfares that were dug either to shelter people from the summer sun in those savage times without climate control, or to keep lesser folk from walking through a sacred site (or offending some important individual by messing up his/her view, peace or tranquility).  If you can't build up, or knock down, why not dig down?


Naturally, digging too deep could be problematic, since if I remember correctly at least part of the Metro area's on an island.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 05 Mar 2015, 13:17
If you guys are world building, could you maybe make the tunnels a Sani Sabik/escaped slave underground railroad of sorts? I think that sort of thing would be hidden from most of the above ground society though. Maybe just mentioned in heretical script or stories passed down from word of mouth by freed slaves in the republic. MIO and theology council would probably have those tunnels blocked off from the public.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 14:04
(whispers) Oh man, if you ever do Gallente space I'm totally in, this is great. :0  *_*

Likely to happen.




Okay, folks, I need a firm up or down from those taking part: in-game chat, or backstage.

I can do either. The first would probably be confined to Saturday, if possible, starting at around ... 1400 hrs EVT? The latter would be slower paced and run over several days.

Since the outcome starts affecting our timeline in the next few hours, we need to do this fast. No dickering or qualification.

One word, just a vote.

"Chat" or "Backstage."
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 05 Mar 2015, 14:14
Backstage please!

Oh wait, I'm not taking part. Disregard please!
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 17:09
I did just have to post that last bit after Europe went to bed.

Le sigh.

That does remind me of one more advantage of doing it on Backstage, though: uninvolved people get to watch!

Thank you, Anyanka.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 17:38
Further reason not to do it specifically Saturday: Templar event that day at 20:00.

Do not want to miss; already RSVP'd.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 05 Mar 2015, 17:58
Further reason not to do it specifically Saturday: Templar event that day at 20:00.

Do not want to miss; already RSVP'd.

Which Saturday are you talking about? I thought this thread was for this weekend? The only 'event' I know of this Saturday is Luna's thing at the Masque at 21:00. Templar event is next week.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 18:08
Oop. Wrong date, can has.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 22:07
Still need those votes, folks.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 05 Mar 2015, 22:13
Forum for me (though I am happy if this ends up in-game, so other people deciding please don't take my preference to be an attempt to tacitly imply what yours should be. :) ).
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 05 Mar 2015, 22:24
Okay. So, it's late, I'm getting tired, and we don't have anything I'd call a quorum on the vote, yet.

I'm going to go ahead and withdraw from looking at this thread. Arkon, you're in charge of vote counting. Let me know by 14:00 EVT Saturday what the outcome is; no matter which way we're going, some preliminary brainstorming needs to happen.

Opening scene as I'm envisioning it has Aria and Arkon stepping off a shuttle on a platform somewhere in Dam-Torsad. (Feel free to change this if it's not appropriate for some reason.) First scene should involve first impressions. Time of day, scenery, etc., are all up to you folks.

I'm out. Feel free to get the cache going.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Honourblade3 on 05 Mar 2015, 22:36
Arkon, you are in control of my vote, let me know what ends up happening, i will be on late tonight, and I don't think i'll be sleeping much, so your company till you decide to die would be good, maybe help our friend Tirva with his standings.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 06 Mar 2015, 03:20
Forum for me, won't be able to be online all day. I don't want to have to watch channels ingame at all times too, it prevents me to do a lot of things if nothing happens in eve in the meantime...

Then again, I will mostly keep myself at OOC ideas and whatnot so... vOv
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad)
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 06 Mar 2015, 10:16
Although I've never done forum RP and love live unscripted rp, I am beginning to think that forum rp might be better for this one due to TZ issues.  Please let me know where to post if you go that route!
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 07 Mar 2015, 17:11
Righto looks like forum posting is the best way, with so many people makes a lot of sense.

In case you missed it here: http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6524.0

That is the IC thread for the tour of Dam-Torsad, I will be posting in reply to that shortly and then it is up to you wonderful slaves volunteers to get to building the world. :D

Like Aria I will keep my first post confined mostly to the shuttle, and my character's internal dialogue, which means you will have plenty of leeway to describe the vista that is opening up before us. Arkon would choose a safe and modern space port for the record, in deference to his companion's newness to Dam-Torsad, so the vista wouldn't be a medieval one yet - though he will definitely take her to such sights.

Hope that helps a little, Aria won't be looking here I believe and I will only glance occasionally to ensure Arkon can capably play the part of informed guide.

Looking forward to doing this with you all! :D

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Samira Kernher on 08 Mar 2015, 09:57
Added St. Junip's Cathedral to the list of locations (http://backstage.eve-inspiracy.com/index.php?topic=6510.msg109966#msg109966).

St Junip's Cathedral is described as having a single massive spire and being one of Amarr's oldest and most definitive landmarks. It is also implied to be near the Royal Amarr Institute.

Source: http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/quafe-to-launch-quafe-ultra-promotion-campaign-sparks-debate/
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 08 Mar 2015, 12:50
I will be posting but as I am totally new to forum rp, I am sort of watching the first several before I hop in...
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 09 Mar 2015, 10:40
*knocks politely, calls through door without opening*

Um. Guys? I appreciate the help, and the trickiness of the whole thing, but could someone please bite the bullet?

My main impression of Dam-Torsad so far is that it's really hard to see....
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 09 Mar 2015, 11:23
OK.  How is this.  Luna will enter the scene in a trade district looking at fabrics and dresses for her customers.  the Abbess will enter the scene at her Abbey "in the shadow of St. Junip's Cathedral".  If Arkain wants he could take you on a tour to both places getting a piece of commerce and religion in Dam Torsad and umm.. giving me a chance to then interact with two of my characters.

I'll forgo eve tonight and try to write something ....
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 09 Mar 2015, 11:24
As I said I do not really have the time to write anything (so don't count on me except for ideas in the ooc thread), but if I find the time, maybe I'll try to write a thing or two...
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 15 Mar 2015, 08:15
*calling in through the door again*

By the way, for our planners:

Aria's not just zipping around like a hamster on crack because she's eager to take everything in. There's a strong dash of that (and a mischievous streak), but her personal data kit also has onboard cybernetic camera system linked to her eyes. She's doing the Asian tourist thing and taking snapshots and/or video footage of everything she sees for closer examination, later.

I'm good with her bumping into Lunarisse, or not, as you see fit. It's entirely possible Luna's presence in the district isn't coincidental, especially since Aria's now working with SFRIM. She may be expecting to meet our two tourists there.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 15 Mar 2015, 10:54
I may write something for the next stage, after the Cauldron. Got an idea.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Arnulf Ogunkoya on 15 Mar 2015, 13:27
If you decide to have Aria visit the Minmatar core systems give me a shout and Arnulf will be hospitable. She can also see her namesake if she likes.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 21 Mar 2015, 09:04
*another call through the door*

The specific move Aria's contemplating against the MIO goes something like this:

* find some form of leaflet or prayer pamphlet that's due for distribution elsewhere in the city in the next couple hours, ideally someplace already visited. Ideally, this should be at least a semi-official circulation, printed and distributed by automated systems, if such a thing exists.

* employing her recently-acquired knowledge of Imperial iconography, switch out the Reclaiming sigil for the Amarr Empire with the sigil of House Khanid.

* if distribution is to be limited, raise the numbers printed by one or two orders of magnitude.

The goal is to create something relatively innocuous that the MIO will nevertheless want off the streets, stat. They come across as a censorious lot.

She's asking her expert systems for predictions of the MIO response. If the predicted outcome is satisfactory, she'll wind the toy up and let it run.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 25 Mar 2015, 22:56
Just dropping a line, Luna will you be responding to Arkon's questions in my last post? Or should we just press on and assume that you are still walking with us? :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lyn Farel on 28 Mar 2015, 09:25
I.. didn't really meant to actually introduce sleeper tech but I can see why you thought of that.. So why not.  :P
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Vikarion on 11 Apr 2015, 23:49
I gotta say, this is some of the freshest and most interesting RP I've seen in a year. Good job.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Aria Jenneth on 13 Apr 2015, 22:59
We are continuing this, yes?
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 14 Apr 2015, 01:33
We are continuing this, yes?

Yes, sorry busy week for me so I am being a bit slow with replies.

I should be able to post tomorrow as right now, and for the rest of tonight, I am actually at a little get together with friends.

Sorry for any errors in this post it is done from my phone.

-A
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 14 Apr 2015, 07:41
Same! it was easter break here and I had too much going on. I still have one more scene in mind to play out for Aria.
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Lunarisse Aspenstar on 15 Apr 2015, 07:56
I am done with my planned contributions (meaning to show scenes involving religion, trade, and learning). I really enjoyed participating.  This was my first try at any kind of forum rp (as well as first try writing in an eve setting).

I left an easter egg for Aria to follow up on if she wishes based on an ooc comment above.  There was a pamphleteer in their travels.

Also a minor easter egg I suppose, some of the named characters making an appearance in my posts exist in game and are available for rp :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 15 Apr 2015, 08:06
I am done with my planned contributions (meaning to show scenes involving religion, trade, and learning). I really enjoyed participating.  This was my first try at any kind of forum rp (as well as first try writing in an eve setting).

I left an easter egg for Aria to follow up on if she wishes based on an ooc comment above.  There was a pamphleteer in their travels.

Also a minor easter egg I suppose, some of the named characters making an appearance in my posts exist in game and are available for rp :)

Thank you so much for your awesome posts Luna, they helped to create a great world to interact with and it was wonderfully diverse (and the references to in-game characters like Zateki was a cool touch!). :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Arkon Sarain on 19 Apr 2015, 08:35
Just sticking my head in to say if anyone wanted to offer another scene or place please do so :D

Otherwise I will probably be winding down I think, a slow wander back via the sea-side most likely. :)
Title: Re: Collaborative Effort: Aria Takes a Walk (Dam-Torsad OOC)
Post by: Jace on 20 Apr 2015, 14:23
Just wanted to say that this was an awesome idea. The possibilities for post-based RP like this are fairly endless.