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Title: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 13:10
It is most unbecoming.

Things like:
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people getting a razorblade shoved up their ass by RL
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something I pull out of my ass

how about not
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 13:14
Butt asses ass assinine assertions ar'se assiduous ass... okay, I was stretching it before I finished the first word but yeah. Leave the butts alone. Anywhere that is not a kindergarten, the onus should be on the user to set up browser filters to remove the "naughty" stuff if they can't handle it, rather than trying to limit everyone else from talking like normal people.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Morwen Lagann on 11 Feb 2015, 13:22
Of all the shit to bitch about... really?

You can do better than that. :roll:

And yes. That is my moderator-hat stance on the matter - and I get the feeling it'll be shared.

Edit: I think you meant anus, not onus, Miz.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 13:31
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Rule 6: Respect the audience. Do not post pornography and/or anything that can be considered inappropriate graphic sexual content in any format; this includes detailed descriptions of sex acts.

no u

Sometimes I look at this forum before having food.

ass pulls spoil appetite.

The English language has hundreds of metaphors that can be used instead.

How about using some of them ?
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Rhiannon on 11 Feb 2015, 13:54
We can't all be as eloquent as you, Louella.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Anyanka Funk on 11 Feb 2015, 14:06
There was nothing to bitch about lately, so Louella had to pull something out of her ass. vov
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 14:13
Edit: I think you meant anus, not onus, Miz.

... well god damnit, I've had an itch ever since I made that post and now I know why.

Edit: The solution is simple, Louella. You're clearly the only one having any kind of significant problem with the words in question, so you can solve it for everyone involved by simply using a filter for your browser. Ass to Poothole or something, entirely up to you. You really can't expect everyone else to conform to your frankly ridiculous demands in this.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Lyn Farel on 11 Feb 2015, 14:26
Butt asses ass assinine assertions ar'se assiduous ass... okay, I was stretching it before I finished the first word but yeah. Leave the butts alone. Anywhere that is not a kindergarten, the onus should be on the user to set up browser filters to remove the "naughty" stuff if they can't handle it, rather than trying to limit everyone else from talking like normal people.

Normal people talk like that ?  :o

Otherwise no, she is clearly not the only one. Not that I am particularly bothered by it (at least it's not offensive/insulting wordings per se), but it's just gross and doesn't speak very high of the person using it. I can understand it is annoying. It annoys me when I read it too much.

Emphasis on the too much. I do not especially feel that the audience of this forum is really prone to trash talk, and reading it once or twice in a light tone doesn't bother me. There were cases where it was clearly over the top to my mind, though.

I guess it's a matter of upbringing or cultural thing or whatnot, dunno. vOv
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 14:32
significant problem
Not that I am particularly bothered by it

Still waitin' for others.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Lyn Farel on 11 Feb 2015, 14:40
You sure sound like very emotionally invested in that particular topic considering the extreme care to which you seem to want to assert your opinion with a hammer. Is there something at stake or what ?
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Lyn Farel on 11 Feb 2015, 14:46
To answer more plainly, it becomes significant to me when it starts to get over the top, as i said it has already happened a few times already. So for now, not significant, but on the long run... I can understand the OP. I don't care personally if it's done before eating or not (i'm not sensitive to that thing at all), I can understand it ruffles someone's feathers the wrong way, but the issue to me is something else entirely :

I'm pretty sure you talk like that to your drinking buddies, and that's ok. We are not your drinking buddies, though.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 14:53
Butts are srs bsnis. The touching thereof in particular.

What I am emotionally invested in is the frankly offensive notion of imposing limitations on other people's perfectly normal speech because a minority find something objectionable, when said minority are the ones who can with minimal effort avoid being subjected to whatever they're offended by through a veritable cornucopia of means, including but not limited to; word replacement addons, closing the tab, various internet filters etc etc.

There is speech that is offensive enough to warrant being ousted from various communities, depending on the openness of the media/forum in question but this is honestly so flat out silly that I am quite honestly offended by it. It implies that there is some sort of right not to be offended, no matter what you might personally find offensive, which is a horrifying idea in and of itself.

To quote a rather eloquent australian, I find boybands offensive. If I was to demand the censure of that subject from a public forum I'd be laughed out if not outright banned.

In short, finding something offensive becomes -your- personal problem to deal with (multiple solutions already supplied) unless it's sufficiently outrageous that the community at large stands together against it, like slurs based on gender or sexuality for instance.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Lyn Farel on 11 Feb 2015, 15:31
You know what that reminds me ? The guy smoking besides you and telling you to gtfo if you are not happy, or to use a gas mask.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 15:44
references to shoving things up asses, has been used historically, as a means of denigrating homosexual men.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 16:05
furthermore, using the phrase "to shit on things" instead of "to spoil things", is just lowest common denominator.

not offensive, just not classy, and not encouraging of discussing things. Lowers the tone.

"did you pull that shit argument out of your ass?" vs "that's an unusual interpretation of the PF, how did you arrive at it?"

creates needless hostility.

It's right there in the FaQ about polite posting culture.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Saede Riordan on 11 Feb 2015, 16:13
Really? Fucking really? Are we really fucking having a fucking debate on what the appropriate amount of fucking swearing? Let me tell you, I'm going to fucking swear as much as I fucking want, they're just fucking words.

I only have one thing further to say to this.

Asspoop.

That is all.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Rin Valador on 11 Feb 2015, 16:17
Stop cussing, shit!  :eek:
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 16:19
You know what that reminds me ? The guy smoking besides you and telling you to gtfo if you are not happy, or to use a gas mask.

Yes, let's compare the use of normal language that is completely and utterly incapable of doing any harm to anyone, with giving people cancer. This is a good argument.

Seriously, if you got a problem with harmless words, install a fuckin' filter. Don't impose your frail sensibilities upon others.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Lyn Farel on 11 Feb 2015, 16:47
What the hell the harm caused has to do with the simple fact that in both cases you are annoying to begin with, and asking to the guy that asked absolutely nothing but to live quietly to tolerate the nuisance caused ? Let's blame the victim a bit more shall we ?

So, apparently trashtalk has now somehow been declared normal language by Mizhara, and thus all other people not using that normal language have been categorized as 'not normal' by direct causality. Right.

So while we are at it... Let's spiral that down to the bottom shall we ? Maybe it doesn't make me sound edgy, maybe it doesn't make me sound rebel and all that jazz, but it sure makes me sound like a grown up. So yes, maybe a good time to grow up ?
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 17:04
Being annoying or even offensive is not a crime here or anywhere else, until it's to the point where it is sufficiently detrimental to the forum in question. This is generally determined by the userbase at large or the moderators. In this particular case, at least one moderator has already laughed it off.

No one has any sort of right to never be annoyed or offended, particularly by something as innocuous, common-place and harmless as "ass". Feel free to challenge this if you wish, but it's a word in common public usage pretty much anywhere. It's quite ridiculous to demand that people stop using a commonly used, harmless and perfectly normal word like that.

Do you want to know what a grown-up does? They deal with the fact that there are many annoying or even offensive things out there, and then embrace and revel in the fact that we have a society where we can be annoying or even offensive without fear of the Morality Police coming down on you. We can hate the exceedingly annoying tumblrina phenomenon where they're "triggered" by bloody mayonnaise, without demanding that these blithering idiots are restrained from being utterly annoying and offensive morons on the internet and even rejoice in the fact that these people are free and able to do what they do.

You and Louella can complain about the language used by whoever you want, all you want. I do in fact encourage you to do so, because it's in its own (in my view, ridiculous) way a small celebration of free speech and the ability to freely portray whoever and whatever you wish within reason. You're just going to have to deal with the fact that others don't share your frail sensibilities in the process.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 17:17
it makes reading potentially interesting threads into a chore.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 17:20
For some, perhaps. The solution there is for those people to use filters or word replacers if they have to, not to try and impose their sensibilities upon everyone else.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Saede Riordan on 11 Feb 2015, 17:31
Also worth noting is that the quantity of swears/slurs/slang, and which ones used in regular speech is often a direct bi-product of the geographic region and its local dialect. I swear a fucking lot, and most of my friends swear a fucking lot. In fact, fuck may be one of my favourite words. Streya got horribly offended a few times when I called her a cunt, before I convinced her that it wasn't meant as a deeply personal attack on her, and in fact is just the way I talk. Contrast this with Streya who actually uses 'yall' in a non-ironic way.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Mizhara on 11 Feb 2015, 17:36
Jesus, put some trigger warnings on that, Saede. "Ya'll" triggers my True Blood induced PTSD.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 17:41
if you're not australian, that c-word is a deeply insulting word to term someone.

http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/site/Guidance_labels_final.pdf
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Saede Riordan on 11 Feb 2015, 17:53
My friends and I call each other cunts all the time. Pretty sure we're not secretly Australian, so I think you're wrong. I'm not particularly insulted when people call me a cunt, none of my friends are insulted when I call them that.

There's this lovely thing called context. Another example: the word faggot is only insulting (to me as a gay person) if its used to be intentionally hostile/derogatory. My friends call me a faggot pretty often, and it doesn't bother me, because they're not being malicious about it, we're just all foul mouthed. The word itself is not bad, its just a word. Its just letters strung together. Getting offended about the mere use of a word itself without factoring in the context is pretty fucking idiotic.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Louella Dougans on 11 Feb 2015, 17:56
if that is how you talk, then I pity you.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Saede Riordan on 11 Feb 2015, 18:00
That's fine, I pity your delicate sensibilities.
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Halcyon on 11 Feb 2015, 18:19
My friends and I call each other cunts all the time. Pretty sure we're not secretly Australian, so I think you're wrong. I'm not particularly insulted when people call me a cunt, none of my friends are insulted when I call them that.

There's this lovely thing called context. Another example: the word faggot is only insulting (to me as a gay person) if its used to be intentionally hostile/derogatory. My friends call me a faggot pretty often, and it doesn't bother me, because they're not being malicious about it, we're just all foul mouthed. The word itself is not bad, its just a word. Its just letters strung together. Getting offended about the mere use of a word itself without factoring in the context is pretty fucking idiotic.
<3
Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: kalaratiri on 11 Feb 2015, 18:38
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Title: Re: Too many faecal references on this forum
Post by: Silver Night on 11 Feb 2015, 19:55
[admin]It's already pretty well established that cussing in general is not considered a moderation issue, it depends on the context. While this forum in general tends to be more restrictive than most of the internet, imposing limits on the particular words people can use (beyond a couple of specific things covered in the rules) isn't really something we are interested in doing. Subject closed as it doesn't appear to be going anywhere productive.[/admin]