Backstage - OOC Forums
General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Havohej on 08 Oct 2014, 13:51
-
If an RP alt, I don't care whose it is - I just want to know if it's something that does or doesn't make itself vulnerable in space:
Johanesse
-
Doubtful. That inactive for that long usually means it was a long-term alt project designed to not be discovered as someone's alt. So probably just skilling up, created character concept, and now has a use for it. There are three or four others that have recently posted for the first time with similar circumstances. Probably all alts of the same person.
-
Just watchlist and locator agent it a couple times in a week. If it never shows up in game or moves, ta-da.
-
why does it matter ?
-
why does it matter ?
If it pisses Havo off, and it undocks... pewpew.
If it pisses Havo off, and it doesn't undock... no content. No interest. Ignored.
-
Is it sad that I automatically checked to see if it was one of my alts?
Yeah, pretty sad. Should have at least read that it was active first. :P (None of mine are right now.)
-
oh right, yes. People that don't undock, in your timezone, in your area, when it's convenient, are irrelevant. Yes. we've had that topic done before. Either here or on some other forum. Okay. I get why it matters now.
-
oh right, yes. People that don't undock, in your timezone, in your area, when it's convenient, are irrelevant. Yes. we've had that topic done before. Either here or on some other forum. Okay. I get why it matters now.
There are plenty of characters that never leave their NPC corp and never undock. They are just skill queuing up and being used as alter egos on forums.
-
oh right, yes. People that don't undock, in your timezone, in your area, when it's convenient, are irrelevant. Yes. we've had that topic done before. Either here or on some other forum. Okay. I get why it matters now.
If it's a thing in space at all, it's relevant to my interests, because if it pisses Havo off it can be shot at by Havo.
If it is not a thing in space at all, it's irrelevant to my interests. I cannot interact with it outside of chat channels or IGS, therefor I will choose not to interact with it at all rather than have text-based slap fights with no final resolution. They can have fun talking shit on IGS, I can ignore them and have fun interacting with people who talk shit and shoot things or expose themselves to being shot.
-
Welp, he just logged in so likely US TZ. Can't say if he's undocking as I have no locators nearby.
-
He withdrew his bid, so Havo's not upset anymore. :yar:
-
Wouldn't matter to me. Undocking in itself doesn't make you vulnerable in space.
-
Wouldn't matter to me. Undocking in itself doesn't make you vulnerable in space.
No, but not undocking guarantees no vulnerability unless you have assets someone can destroy.
-
oh right, yes. People that don't undock, in your timezone, in your area, when it's convenient, are irrelevant. Yes. we've had that topic done before. Either here or on some other forum. Okay. I get why it matters now.
If it's a thing in space at all, it's relevant to my interests, because if it pisses Havo off it can be shot at by Havo.
If it is not a thing in space at all, it's irrelevant to my interests. I cannot interact with it outside of chat channels or IGS, therefor I will choose not to interact with it at all rather than have text-based slap fights with no final resolution. They can have fun talking shit on IGS, I can ignore them and have fun interacting with people who talk shit and shoot things or expose themselves to being shot.
Well I understand the feeling but is there really a final resolution at most things in Eve anyway ? In space fight has never seemed much more meaningful to me unless you happen to be in a situation where you can completely cripple your enemy, which doesn't happen that much... Most of the time it will just blowing up a frigate, a cruiser or whatever the enemy has, again and again up until the player behind starts to lose interest in the game, or either gain even more interest in a game he will like. I think I already spoke about the contradiction between what happens OOCly and what happens ICly most of the time : if your adversary loses ICly badly, he will stop being interested in the game OOCly, or just being outright disgusted because there is a limit to the fun he can have being blown up again and again (which can even lead to OOC dramas because ICly the enemy will have no mercy). If he loses, or wins, but gets his own kills, victories, and overall has fun doing so like you do, it's great OOCly for both parties, but ICly it leads to absolutely nowhere near a victory. Which is still ten times better than the first option : I remember to have war deced a little corp in my time for RP reasons, with an alliance 5 times their size, and we managed pretty poorly due to logistic, new pilots, etc and actually managed to completely resurrect that target will to fight and have fun in pvp OOCly. But ICly it was a disaster for both with no result at all.
Yeah what Merdaneth said anyway.
The problem in Eve that I have come to stop caring at some point is that the game provides consequences and offers you the tools to actually beat someone in a meaningful way by making him or his corporation or alliance lose assets and valuables. It also provides a way for RP conflicts to have meaningful outcomes, even if that's just tied to whether or not RPers actually care in making up stuff around ingame assets to create the story around it (slaves, POSes, whatever).
Well, all in all it's good in theory. The main issue is that most assets and ingame valuables are tied to time spent to farm them up. So we come to a relation between meaningful conflict directly linked to farming.
And that's not fun at all. It means that you try to destroy someone else's valuables in order to achieve some scale of victory, and that you put in the equation valuables that come from activities that are BORING. Much like you have to farm the hell of your valuables to afford something that can well turn into 5 minutes of pvp.
So eventually I came to be a lot more sympathetic to people that never really risk too much in space when they actually do not have that much to put into the balance. I have seen countless players, especially novices, but also old players that never really had the backbone to afford a lot, and a single loss could cripple them pretty badly. Even with that in mind they get put in the same basket as the rest and curbstomped pretty nastily when they happen to be the target of an IC all out war, and then just leave for other pastures, or get called all names because they don't really play the game.
Everytime I say something in these lines I get exactly that as an answer :P
(http://media.topito.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/29.gif)
-
So according to OP, the metagame is not a game. Hm.
-
Stuff.
This may be unpopular of me to say, but: I don't care about another person's enjoyment of the game OOCly. It's their money paying for their subscription, finding something fun to do with it is their problem - not mine.
If they don't have enough assets for it to be fun doing PvP and potentially losing some of the little they have, generally just a problem for new players who don't even have access to steady L4 mission income (or said income is interrupted by my wardec)... well, tough. Cold hard world, grimdark and all that. If a player doesn't have the space pixel wherewithal to endure a violent conflict in space, said player should moderate their character's behaviour to not invite such.
Pissing off entities that are reputed for violent outbursts is counterproductive to a risk-averse playstyle. I can make enough in L4 that even if a player is in an NPC corp, if they undock at all they put themselves at risk of a suicide gank. Havo is enough of a dick to suicide a Tornado on your mining barge, for instance, over something said on the IGS.
But here's the real point in asking if Johanesse is/was an entity that exists in space, outside of stations:
Just as it's an other player's problem to find fun things to do with their paid subscription to Eve, finding something fun to do with MY subscription is also MY problem. You know what I don't find fun? Bullshitting with things that don't put themselves at risk of being shot on the IGS or in chat channels. If I find myself doing so, I will cease immediately. I can't tell you how many people I've simply blocked because they were being an asshole on The Summit and I know full well they don't exist in space. In my game, and Havohej's New Eden, these characters simply don't exist because it is not fun for me to interact with them in any way. I am not obligated to do so, and so I do not do so.
I'll give you an example: Andreus Ixiris. It's no secret I dislike him. I always disliked him for his OOC behaviour. Havo always disliked his character for his being Gallente (it doesn't take much with Havo). Havo's IC dislike occured before my OOC dislike - months before.
However, it is more fun interacting with his character than any IGS/RP Channel alt that doesn't exist in space. Once, we had a war with Andy's corp. This war only amounted to one battle. We had to fly halfway across highsec space to get that battle because he was too lazy to meet us halfway. He used TWO neutral logistics cruisers to support his two Domis vs. our BC gang. It was an unwinnable engagement from the outset. And of course, he twists the knife about this every chance he gets, IC and OOC.
However, pvp happened, fun was had, and from now until the servers shut down, Havohej must bear the disgust of having been defeated by someone he despises so much. He must also bear the shame of having to admit to it should it ever come up IC, and it has a couple of times. (OOC, I don't care that he won any more than I care that Ayallah killed my Firetail with her Wolf... it's pixels).
I'd rather have Havo get all wound up and get his teeth kicked in in space than bandy words about with some alt that isn't really a thing in the game.
"Without the threat of death there's no reason to live at all." - Marilyn Manson
-
+1 ^
-
This may be unpopular of me to say, but: I don't care about another person's enjoyment of the game OOCly. It's their money paying for their subscription, finding something fun to do with it is their problem - not mine.
Very much this, props for saying it straight!
-
The only consideration I have for other people's enjoyment of the game is whether or not their presence is enjoyable for me. If I get less fun by pushing someone to stop undocking etc, I might decide not to do it, because it'd make the game less fun for me. If that's not the case, why should I put their enjoyment ahead of mine?
-
GRRR GOONS
Ohwaaa..
/walks off, whistling
-
Minor difference between prioritizing your own fun over that of others, and intentionally going out to ruin other people's fun.
-
roleplaying at others vs roleplaying with others. We've had that discussion before as well, on this forum or another.
-
My KB is a direct reflection of me ruining people's fun. /nods
-
Wouldn't matter to me. Undocking in itself doesn't make you vulnerable in space.
No, but not undocking guarantees no vulnerability unless you have assets someone can destroy.
It depends what that person values. People that never undock likely don't value destroyable assets anyway, so if even you destroy something, the only value would be in the pleasure you would derive from it. People tend to value credibility, recognition, attention and respect a lot more than a couple of million isk of digital spaceship.
In EVE my experience is that blowing people's stuff up in space tends to often gain me respect and recognition, and very rarely anger or other negative emotions. However, shooting down someone's argument on a forum or channel, *especially* an IC forum or channel, has a much higher odds to piss off other people in my experience.
So for me I would say the reverse is true. Refusing to post or speak up and only undocking makes one less vulnerable.
-
This may be unpopular of me to say, but: I don't care about another person's enjoyment of the game OOCly. It's their money paying for their subscription, finding something fun to do with it is their problem - not mine.
I'm the opposite. I do care about another person's enjoyment OOCly. My philosophy tends to be if people enjoy playing with me, then the game gets better for them and for me. That's something I want to support. I care more about my own enjoyment of course, but other people's enjoyment is a factor.
When I'm ridiculing your character in some odd satire, I'm of course aiming for making you the player smile but having your character fume. I can of course aim at making you the player fume as well, but then you'll just stop interacting with me, which is not something I would desire. I'm making posts to be read, not to be ignored.
-
Stuff.
Some more stuff.
Heh, i'm not accusing you of not caring about someone else enjoyment. I'm not even defending anyone in that.
I'm just pointing to the omnipresent contradiction between what the game implies and RP.
Also, I disagree on "it's just pixels". Actually it's time you spent farming for pixels, which gives it its value, but especially because the way it was acquired was fucking tedious. I'm pretty sure you also have to deal with that too on an everyday basis to fuel your "space shenanigans". Unless you have found the miraculous fun thing to do to make isk.
The only consideration I have for other people's enjoyment of the game is whether or not their presence is enjoyable for me. If I get less fun by pushing someone to stop undocking etc, I might decide not to do it, because it'd make the game less fun for me. If that's not the case, why should I put their enjoyment ahead of mine?
Very typical gallente answer of our individualist and selfish society. Wouldn't blame you though.
-
When I'm ridiculing your character in some odd satire
Oh shit, I remember those! LOL :cube:
As for the rest, I can see your points.
-
Wouldn't matter to me. Undocking in itself doesn't make you vulnerable in space.
No, but not undocking guarantees no vulnerability unless you have assets someone can destroy.
It depends what that person values. People that never undock likely don't value destroyable assets anyway, so if even you destroy something, the only value would be in the pleasure you would derive from it. People tend to value credibility, recognition, attention and respect a lot more than a couple of million isk of digital spaceship.
In EVE my experience is that blowing people's stuff up in space tends to often gain me respect and recognition, and very rarely anger or other negative emotions. However, shooting down someone's argument on a forum or channel, *especially* an IC forum or channel, has a much higher odds to piss off other people in my experience.
So for me I would say the reverse is true. Refusing to post or speak up and only undocking makes one less vulnerable.
Well said, I'd have to agree with this.
-
So according to OP, the metagame is not a game. Hm.
Metagame is by definition not a game. If it were, it would not need the 'meta' in front of it.
But beyond that, 'metagame' in this context has essentially lost all meaning in MMOs. The term has been so misused and abused that it no longer means anything.
-
Metagame if I am remembering right .. and example is: using the knowledge of the map to increase performance. ie. using a secret hiding spot (that you learned yourself on another playthrough) is metagaming.
aka everyone does it in eve.
-
Metagame if I am remembering right .. and example is: using the knowledge of the map to increase performance. ie. using a secret hiding spot (that you learned yourself on another playthrough) is metagaming.
aka everyone does it in eve.
This is an example of how it has lost meaning. Originally, metagame meant the use of out-of-game knowledge and resources (or more strictly speaking, out of ruleset parameters) to affect the game. In RP, it is attempting to take advantage of the OOC player in some way to affect roleplaying. Which is often what throw away RP alt characters are for - they are created to try to take advantage of OOC knowledge of the targeted RPers through their characters by making a character specifically to target a certain player or character.
Within the specific context of roleplaying, it can be summed up simply as 'bad roleplaying.'
-
There's another word for it.
Cheating.
-
So according to OP, the metagame is not a game. Hm.
Metagame is by definition not a game. If it were, it would not need the 'meta' in front of it.
But beyond that, 'metagame' in this context has essentially lost all meaning in MMOs. The term has been so misused and abused that it no longer means anything.
Of course the metagame is a game. Most/all of major player driven events in EVE are a result of the metagame. The EVE Uni interview of The Mittani speaks to some of it.
The word is abused, of course.. but people generally don't understand it very well. The rules of person to person interactions are not part of the ruleset for EVE as a game. Nonetheless these interactions are a game, and the most important aspect of EVE.
Edit: Regarding bad roleplaying, my response to OP meant simply this: The OP seems to think they are restricted to shooting at a person in order to have an in-game result to his satisfaction. Call it bad roleplaying if you'd like, but there are many ways to achieve a desired result with another EVE character without ever having to employ a single in-game action. I'll leave it up to you to figure out what those are.
-
Of course the metagame is a game. Most/all of major player driven events in EVE are a result of the metagame. The EVE Uni interview of The Mittani speaks to some of it.
The word is abused, of course.. but people generally don't understand it very well. The rules of person to person interactions are not part of the ruleset for EVE as a game. Nonetheless these interactions are a game, and the most important aspect of EVE.
Edit: Regarding bad roleplaying, my response to OP meant simply this: The OP seems to think they are restricted to shooting at a person in order to have an in-game result to his satisfaction. Call it bad roleplaying if you'd like, but there are many ways to achieve a desired result with another EVE character without ever having to employ a single in-game action. I'll leave it up to you to figure out what those are.
I thought you were trolling. On the off chance that you weren't/aren't...
What you say is true. I'm speaking in particular to the part I bolded.
You seem to assume I am not capable of figuring out what those are, or at least have not yet done so. This assumption couldn't be farther from the mark. I am simply not interested in those things. I find what I do with my character to be fun. There are plenty of other people in the RP scene who do undock and do things in space that can be adversely effected by their enemies' actions in space, and it is more fun to interact with those players' characters - for me. For me, even if Havo has no intention of harming that character, it is more fun to interact with that character knowing that if one side or the other doesn't mind their p's and q's, they're liable to get shot at, or maybe even full-on wardec'd. This is especially so when I know that the character(s) Havohej is interacting with are run by other PvPers like Ayallah or Ava Starfire or Merdaneth or any PIE, Inc. pilot, or Eran Mintor, or Katrina Oniseki, or Diana Kim, or hell, even Seriphyn.
IGS/Channel alts and their players can do their thing and have their fun - it's their money those players are spending on the game. Whatever enjoyment they derive from this playstyle, more power to them. I don't have to participate in it, that's all. I'm not restricted from participating in it, nor do I think I am. I choose to abstain from participating in it in favor of participating in things that I find enjoyable.
As to whether it's bad roleplaying, that's a slippery slope I don't want to walk up. What I will say is this: those characters may be very deep and interesting, their players may be excellent roleplayers. To my thinking, all a roleplayer is is an improvisational collaborative storyteller. We're writing a story together, all of us who interact with one another, each relying on the other(s) to fill in the details and actions of their respective characters within the setting that CCP (or whatever other game designer) has laid out for us. An analogy, then:
I love the Forgotten Realms campaign setting. I love R.A. Salvatore's work, and Elaine Cunningham, and Drew Karpyshyn. But I refuse to read a novel by Ed Greenwood... I just don't like his style. It is the same here in my choice not to interact with certain types of characters. I like telling and participating in stories where spaceships blow up. If I can determine from the outset that this will not be possible, it is very simple to just disengage from that thread of the story and move on to something else.
The point of the OP here is/was not to find out who runs that character, if it is in fact an alt. It isn't to criticize the widespread use of what I consider to be substance-less talking heads on the IGS or chat channels (personal opinion, as I've already said, I'm sure some of these characters are very deep and interesting). It was merely to find out if there would have been any point in Havo getting riled up about competition for the Diana Kim bid. If no point, I/Havo would've let the bidding go altogether. If yes point, the entire thing could have escalated in fun and interesting ways for me as a player.
Of course, it's a moot point now that that character's DK bid is withdrawn. If Kyllsa Siikanen wants a bidding war over Eran Mintor, though, autocannons may be involved.
-
You seem to assume I am not capable of figuring out what those are, or at least have not yet done so. This assumption couldn't be farther from the mark. I am simply not interested in those things. I find what I do with my character to be fun. There are plenty of other people in the RP scene who do undock and do things in space that can be adversely effected by their enemies' actions in space, and it is more fun to interact with those players' characters - for me. For me, even if Havo has no intention of harming that character, it is more fun to interact with that character knowing that if one side or the other doesn't mind their p's and q's, they're liable to get shot at, or maybe even full-on wardec'd. This is especially so when I know that the character(s) Havohej is interacting with are run by other PvPers like Ayallah or Ava Starfire or Merdaneth or any PIE, Inc. pilot, or Eran Mintor, or Katrina Oniseki, or Diana Kim, or hell, even Seriphyn.
Just so you know, it is not my habit or liking to troll. I make posts so that a topic can be discussed (and hopefully not just in a superficial way).
Thanks for clarifying what drives Havo to have interesting RP interactions. Maybe I can offer my own perspective for your consideration.
I'm very new to trying out roleplay of any kind, and relatively new to EVE (less than a year). When I joined the game, it wasn't to roleplay, so my "main" (I don't really like that term.. I'm sure Jace knows exactly why) is more or less me. I've posted on eve forums quite frequently, and I have a large number of contacts with whom I've interacted as myself.. not a character concept which would be the preferred vehicle for roleplay.
So when I make a pilot specifically for roleplay, it's because I don't want to RP myself (because really it's sort of an unimaginitive thing to do). Now EVE is not an inexpensive game, and as a new pilot it isn't exactly feasible to suddenly have my RP pilot ready to go training skills and flying ships and whatnot.
But I still believe I can contribute something significant to the roleplay experience without having the ability to undock and provide a meaningful encounter (simply because of personal RL economics). Maybe that's not something Havo would be into.. but I feel that maybe some of the realities and limitations of EVE should be considered here.
-
I can understand that. My days of running multiple alt accounts (I only ever had 3, max) at a time are suspended for the time being.
I should clarify one thing, I think - it's only conflict RP that I as a player find pointless and time-wasting when it involves the sort of alt we're talking about. I do not speak for everyone (obviously!), but if you've had an opportunity to observe Havohej communicating IC, he's usually very civil - generally. When things escalate beyond civility and "fighting words" start to be spoken, that's when I as a player need it to be with someone who'll actually undock and fight if it comes to that (because I will undock and fight, I'll even fly halfway across the cluster for that fight given enough IC motivation).
I don't mind interacting with the such characters that, while they may speak critically, derisively, even insultingly about Havo, they avoid escalating to the point where shooting things is the only recourse left. As an example, I'll actually cite Ayallah here. Countless times she's called Havo disgusting, countless times she's accused him of doing more harm than good and told him he should go kill himself. Only once did she ever say anything that made a fight become inevitable.
In Ayallah's case, of course, that fight did happen (and Havo lost), but Aya's restraint as an RPer is laudable because, frankly, while I (and I'm sure Aya as well) am willing to travel quite far for an RP-fueled fight... it's bloody inconvenient. I can't speak for Ayallah-p, but I suspect that's part of the reason the dialogue between them so rarely escalates that far.
I guess what I'm saying is, I feel that if someone's playing a character that isn't actually going to fight anyone in the game, that character should adhere to the age old rule: "Don't start no shit, won't be no shit."
I have and continue to (I am sure) interacted IC with characters that don't "exist" in space (that is, they don't undock, they're untrained RP alts). But once one crosses that line, it becomes boring to continue interacting.
Havo: Grr!
RP-Alt: lawl I don't undock hue hue
Havo: GRRRRR!!
And because RP-Alt doesn't undock, the exchange can literally go no further. I don't find that interesting. When RP-Alt doesn't verbally escalate conflicts to a point of futility, everything is fine.
Personal preferences and opinions, again. If a person's spending $15 per month to stir shit up and not fight, I wish them joy of it - but they can do it with someone besides my character. :)
-
I understand what you're saying now and it does make sense.
Undock/station games are quite frustrating even outside of RP land!
In any case if I ever got to that point with Havo, I would graciously offer my main to be shot up instead..
-
I understand what you're saying now and it does make sense.
Undock/station games are quite frustrating even outside of RP land!
In any case if I ever got to that point with Havo, I would graciously offer my main to be shot up instead..
So I don't derail the thread with the metagame discussion, I'll holler at you later this weekend abouts it.
Also, very glad you decided to join up and roll an RP character. :cube:
-
*hip checks Jace*
And sorry for the derail :s
-
*hip checks Jace*
And sorry for the derail :s
Nah, you didn't derail it. My little side comment was the derailing moment. Hip check me again sometime this week and I can give you the names of some of my characters that I actually play more frequently so you can find me in-game.
-
Once, we had a war with Andy's corp. This war only amounted to one battle. We had to fly halfway across highsec space to get that battle because he was too lazy to meet us halfway. He used TWO neutral logistics cruisers to support his two Domis vs. our BC gang. It was an unwinnable engagement from the outset. And of course, he twists the knife about this every chance he gets, IC and OOC.
However, pvp happened, fun was had, and from now until the servers shut down, Havohej must bear the disgust of having been defeated by someone he despises so much. He must also bear the shame of having to admit to it should it ever come up IC, and it has a couple of times. (OOC, I don't care that he won any more than I care that Ayallah killed my Firetail with her Wolf... it's pixels).
I recall this happening, thought not all the details. The Two logi's were two IRL friends of mine who happened to be around, and I, IIRC was in Andy's corp at the time. At least I think that's how it went. Just like it up to you to provide your fun, it's up to others to do what they can to win their fights. You decced, a fight was had. Why rush off to face you on your turf, after all you decced Andreus and he as well as me were elsewhere doing other things. We waited for you to show in what was our turf at that time. And you did.
I can't recall if anyone lost anything in that engagement at all. I think it ended up in a stalemate and got disengaged eventually, though that may have been a different war, Andreus has been in a few for a few reasons, and this is a good long while ago now.
Beyond this I agree with your reasoning for the most part. I don't want to get involved with non-entities either - by that I mean, if the toon I'm interacting with is just a cheap mouth-piece practically smacking from the safety of a station or such, then what's the point? Block, mute, ignore, move on and find more legit players to interact with. If at all possible, if I'm having any kind of RP relationship with anyone, it should be someone that actively plays the game, and though you can technically play the game from inside the station, I'd hazard a guess that some 90% + of the game's content require you to undock and do something, somewhere, for some reason.
Run your mouth from in station all you like. If nothing is happening in space your coms will be muted and BB will go on with his stuff as if nothing had happened.
Or this would happen, if I still played the game at this point.
Finally, I would like to point out a separate but similar issue:
It goes a little something like this:
Do something that others don't like.
Receive criticism for this action and get called out on it.
Claim that the criticism is irrelevant and worthless unless the critics - who are in groups you vastly outnumber and outgun - declares war on you to 'legitimize their opinions'.
Now, there is a difference between hollow mouth-pieces spewing stuff from a position that will never be endangered because it's all on the forums or in-game chat and the opponent never leaves their dock and have no intention of doing so - and flaunting your higher power around at others who are actively doing other things, and then claiming that anything they may have to say about you that is not positive needs war-decs to be "legit".
Especially jarring when you know full well that these characters may have vastly different goals and desires, or are already busy with other things, and thus would not deck you from an IC stand-point.
I point this out to clarify that I agree that blatant no-substance characters that never do anything don't deserve to get interacted with because, frankly, if the toon's whole existence is angry words on EVE-O etc. it's not much to interact with, it's just forum drama, but on the flip-side not everyone will be interested in interacting with you in space even if they can, because in some cases the balance of relative power is vastly different and from an IC and OOC point of view it's foolish to engage in battle with this vastly more powerful entity, even if your character is one who would IC make their opinion regarding your IC actions clear.
-
As far as the whole 'ignoring people' thing, I decide who to ignore based on factors completely unrelated to whether they spend all their time in a station or not. I don't care if you kill 100 ships a week, if all you do is spam and shiptoast, you're getting blocked.
-
As far as the whole 'ignoring people' thing, I decide who to ignore based on factors completely unrelated to whether they spend all their time in a station or not. I don't care if you kill 100 ships a week, if all you do is spam and shiptoast, you're getting blocked.
Hilarious typo is hilarious :D
-
Shiptoast? Rather than a typo, it means I spend too much time in LAGL. They say shiptoast all the time in der.
-
Unless of course they are just trying to piss people off that want a wardec. In that case, the strategy works very well.
-
Jibba-jabba
I seem to have gotten a little carried away with my original response. I'll pare it down to the following two sentences.
Don't run your mouth about a fight you weren't in; you weren't in MXD at any time during 2010 and your name ain't anywhere near any of the killmails, either.
If you'd like to have an actual fight with me that you can then justifiably run your mouth about, either buy a wardec or use your locator agents to find out when we're out of highsec.
-
Jibba-jabba
I seem to have gotten a little carried away with my original response. I'll pare it down to the following two sentences.
Don't run your mouth about a fight you weren't in; you weren't in MXD at any time during 2010 and your name ain't anywhere near any of the killmails, either.
If you'd like to have an actual fight with me that you can then justifiably run your mouth about, either buy a wardec or use your locator agents to find out when we're out of highsec.
No need to get so offended about it, I clearly stated that I recall a fight like that, but that I might be off because ::happened freaking long ago:: and there have been other battles in that period.
In case you and I are looking at two different posts here is the relevant part from my post again:
I recall this happening, thought not all the details. The Two logi's were two IRL friends of mine who happened to be around, and I, IIRC was in Andy's corp at the time. At least I think that's how it went. Just like it up to you to provide your fun, it's up to others to do what they can to win their fights. You decced, a fight was had. Why rush off to face you on your turf, after all you decced Andreus and he as well as me were elsewhere doing other things. We waited for you to show in what was our turf at that time. And you did.
I can't recall if anyone lost anything in that engagement at all. I think it ended up in a stalemate and got disengaged eventually, though that may have been a different war, Andreus has been in a few for a few reasons, and this is a good long while ago now.
Basically, when you described decing Andreus and going for his corp, I had a recollection of seeing something similar from the other side. As I said though, I don't recall the whole things in great detail, and if this happened in 2010 then no, I was indeed not in MXD. Nothing prevented me form being in the area though, because in 2010 I was in Nova Foundry, a corp me and Ayalen made together, and having recently - as in a few months earlier - been in MXD I'm allowed to get some details off, and I'm surely withing my right to state the truth, that being that I can't recall the details perfectly. Andreus has been in a few scraps and I was there for some of them, in his corp at some point, and NOVAF had friendly relations with MXD because of this. NOVAF saw a lot of moving around and small-scale stuff in this period.
I'll make a couple things clear.
I was not trying to "run my mouth" about you or your corp or any fight or anything at all. If I wanted to do that I'd state such things to your directly, clearly, likely elsewhere. I was trying to corroborate that yes, there was indeed such a fight involving you and Andreus and I even eagerly admitted to not recalling all the details, to the point where I'm not sure if any ships were even lost on either side. I suppose a swift check of a killboard will clear that question up.
I am however sure that when you mentioned Andreus bringing two neut logis to help out, that these were either Ayalen and one other person in NOVAF, or perhaps even Ayalen and myself, because such an engagement has happened, where Aya and I support MXD with logistics in a battle. Perhaps even multiple times, as I've said, MXD has been in a few engagements and I've been there for a couple of them, at least. Hell, this may have been very early on before NOVAF was even founded, Aya and me were in VIRII, then I spent a month in STRIX while Aya was still in VIRII, and then we founded NOVAF.
Or hell I may be thinking of a completely different engagement with a completely different entity. Heck, might even be thinking of a fight where NOVAF assisted STRIX against someone else. I'm confident there has been at least one such engagement as well, but obviously if I showed up as part of two logis then it will be hard to pin down what battle it was.
I am confident however that Aya and myself was around for a fight involving you and your corp and MXD, because I recall you specifically. As another RP'er I recalled your name at the time and IIRC Andreus told us about the circumstances regarding the deck.
At any rate my intentions were to agree with you that such a fight happened, and that I agreed with your overall viewpoint regarding the topic of this tread. That was all.
-
Hell, I can barely remember that fight and I was the only survivor on our side of it. No one pointed my wolf, heh. That was the moment when I decided that while neutral logis were fair enough - game mechanics are game mechanics and everyone can make use of them - I'm going to stick with a "fair" fight with links on field if any. Neutral logi isn't an issue anymore, but I swore those off too.
I'll hold no grudges for what others use against me of course, if it's an actually fair fight one or both of the sides fucked up, but I prefer actually earning my credentials.
I'll agree entirely with Havo though. If the person doing the mouthing off doesn't even undock, fuck it. Not on my radar and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
-
What does mouthing off implies exactly, out of curiosity ? Boasting all around and saying how bad you are inspace ? Being a dick to your corp ICly ? An IC argument about space politics and shenanigans ?
-
What does mouthing off implies exactly, out of curiosity ? Boasting all around and saying how bad you are inspace ? Being a dick to your corp ICly ? An IC argument about space politics and shenanigans ?
http://www.macmillandictionary.com/dictionary/british/mouth-off
-
You don't have to be rude by linking me dictionary entries, you know. I'm not a british native, and i'm pretty sure that even for native mouthing off can bear various nuances of meaning, depending on the context. :|
So yes, basically everything that's politically, even the slightest, oriented.
-
wat
-
You don't have to be rude by linking me dictionary entries, you know. I'm not a british native, and i'm pretty sure that even for native mouthing off can bear various nuances of meaning, depending on the context. :|
So yes, basically everything that's politically, even the slightest, oriented.
I know you're not a british native. I'm not, either. I'm an American. However, 'mouthing off' is one english idiom that is the same on both sides of the Atlantic. Knowing from my time spent studying French and Spanish that idioms are often among the last things that non-native speakers learn, I figured it would be helpful. vOv
EDIT: And nope... 'mouthing off' is 'mouthing off'. There isn't much nuance, there aren't a wide selection of possible meanings based on context. There's only 'mouthing off'. Which BB has stated he wasn't intending to do. No harm, no foul.
-
to give your opinions about something in a very annoying way
If you can't even grasp how nuanced that very definition can be, and subjective also, I don't know what to say.
So anyway, basically everything that might annoy you. Which means pretty much everything. At least I have an answer >.>
-
to give your opinions about something in a very annoying way
If you can't even grasp how nuanced that very definition can be, and subjective also, I don't know what to say.
So anyway, basically everything that might annoy you. Which means pretty much everything. At least I have an answer >.>
Incorrect. By selectively disregarding a part of the definition, you alter its meaning and idiomatic usage altogether. The part about complaining or criticizing is key.
And of course it's subjective. By its very definition. Subjective != nuanced.
-
Of for the...
The point is that you can do it practically in thousand completely different ways, thus why my question, and thus the 'nuanced'. :bash:
Don't bother.
-
I think it's time for both of you to stop posting at each other for a while.
-
Instead I can just post at everyone.
Whoever reads this, consider it at you.
-
Instead I can just post at everyone.
Whoever reads this, consider it at you.
Now you are just throwing a tantrum.
-
Instead I can just post at everyone.
Whoever reads this, consider it at you.
Now you are just throwing a tantrum.
I beg your pardon!
(http://i.imgur.com/nLy5BsW.gif)