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General Discussion => General Non-RP EVE Discussion => Topic started by: Jocca Quinn on 07 Oct 2014, 08:47
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I think we've had this type of event before but ..
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-navies-request-capsuleer-assistance/
Associated Dev Blog
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/anomalous-materials/
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So. I wish I ever went into wormholes now.
Also, if any of the big traders decide to get involved in this, well, State wins. But it is a fun contest, bout damn time something happened in World News. I am now poor, though.
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- Roll new character with most offensive name possible below flagging threshold.
- Push all materials to this character who then delivers to the NPCs.
- Install your offensive, immersion-breaking troll into the official lore.
If this doesn't happen, EVE will have ceased to be EVE.
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Glad they're doing this regardless, but...
I'd have rather seen a new non-market item (database entry) seeded on the NPCs. Making this a market game doesn't make for widely inclusive gameplay.
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Glad they're doing this regardless, but...
I'd have rather seen a new non-market item (database entry) seeded on the NPCs. Making this a market game doesn't make for widely inclusive gameplay.
Aaaaand we have a winner.
A modified version of the Mordus sites event would have been ideal. As it stands, this is a horrific waste of time and heavily biased against anyone who doesn't play the market or have a fatter wallet than CCP's confiscated ISK pile.
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Going to stop you right there.
For those of us who don't do wormholes, having a market game absolutely makes this more inclusive. In fact, this is probably the most inclusive live event they've had for awhile, in my opinion. This is certainly the only one I've actually been able to participate in since Caldari Prime, and Caldari Prime I only participated in Morwen's relief effort thing (which thus, similarly, was a market game).
So I don't see how this makes things exclusive. And as most know, I am far from the richest person around.
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I honestly don't see how "Buy shit. Deliver to dude." is worth doing. These scavenger hunts never really appealed to me.
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I honestly don't see how "Buy shit. Deliver to dude." is worth doing. These scavenger hunts never really appealed to me.
Primarily because it's something unique to EVE. :P I've done a million kill-fetch quests in MMOs. In EVE being able to participate purely through peaceful activities is something I find so cool.
Though I think it may have been better to establish set delivery stations rather than being able to contract from everywhere, to add a bit more content to it.
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Going to stop you right there.
For those of us who don't do wormholes, having a market game absolutely makes this more inclusive. In fact, this is probably the most inclusive live event they've had for awhile, in my opinion. This is certainly the only one I've actually been able to participate in since Caldari Prime, and Caldari Prime I only participated in Morwen's relief effort thing (which thus, similarly, was a market game).
So I don't see how this makes things exclusive. And as most know, I am far from the richest person around.
If there weren't going to be prize items with people's names on it and it was just "whichever faction gets the most gets the goodies first", I would agree with you. But there are, and that basically means it's a combination of whoever has the most ISK and market alts that wins, with a further slight bias to whoever has both of those and access to the markets right after the announcement was made.
The Mordus event required no ISK investment beyond a ship that could hack, which is a quick and cheap and easy investment by anyone who wanted to get involved, regardless of character age.
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I may or may not have made some... investments, after the announcement.
... what? It's content. Of my wallet.
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Fit Cyclones. Ruin a Sleeper's life.
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i'd laugh if the Antiquarian wins all four medals, lol
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i'd laugh if the Antiquarian wins all four medals, lol
Ogad. :eek:
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As much as I agree with the feeling and opinion you have Morwen, being all for equality of opportunities and all that... I still wondered if that was not meant to be fully IC ? I mean if you consider that out of a purely IC viewpoint, it is only logical that only the best and bigger contributors will see their names remembered into posterity, as it is always the case in that kind of thing...
Well yes, too bad, those people are often the ones that managed to self build their own little empire and give themselves the means to do it. Yes, it's also heavily biaseds toward market tycoons OOCly. But ICly, the empires don't care, they just want a massive income of those thingies. And it will also boost the activity consisting in finding them too.
( Can't believe i'm defending an ultraliberal point of view duh, but that's for IC's sake )
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Morwen's right, contest in current form is badly designed.
I don't know if you all realize just how many trolls are out there with trillions in idle isk doing nothing.
If they limited the contributions to x amount per character it would force actual cooperation and marshaling of faction supporters.
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Making people go and fetch them wouldn't solve the issue unless you also prohibited contracting. People like Abidal have enough ISK to hire entire wormhole corps if they wanted to. They would then just contract it. So it would have to be a completely untradable item if you wanted to stop the wealthy people from taking it over.
My biggest problem with this is: in any semirealistic circumstance (yes, yes sci-fi game realism doesn't matter, etc.) the extremely wealthy would of course dominate any sort of event like this. So it doesn't bother me. This sort of thing is exactly what honorary memberships are for in real life. People with money or influence that don't do the actual work. (see honorary degrees, etc.)
That being said, I do see the point being raised. But considering how cheap the Libraries have become over the last forty-eight hours, I am wondering whether any of the trillionaires care enough about this to do anything. They could easily buy everything in Jita right now, but there is still thousands in there.
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As it turns out, the RPer donations proved decisive. Either the trillionaires skipped this one, or they just under-bid.
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Maybe they did not really see any tangible benefit out of this. Except market price manipulation, which I guess they did to some extent ?
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I've seen a few posts on forums, about this research race, and the sentiment expressed is "lol at roleplayers, giving up isk like that".
which, in a way... If we look at what happened - people either gave up their things, for no isk, or bought things at higher than normal prices, for no reward. A lot of roleplayers kind of punished themselves, for the sake of this research race thing, and for what ? to change the order in which concept art is shown ? All four ships are probably going to be released at the same time anyway, so what was this whole thing for ?
Other than to troll the roleplay community ?
Just like those events a while back, about going into lowsec/nullsec to shoot those pirate laboratory things, that ended with a lot of players losing a fair bit of isk.
kind of looks a bit like there are some at ccp who see live events as a stick to beat roleplayers with, haha look at those stupid roleplay nerds, lets devise new ways to try and make them quit, hahahahaha.
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Well, I did say I thought this thing was just flat out silly. Repeatedly. In many places.
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I've seen a few posts on forums, about this research race, and the sentiment expressed is "lol at roleplayers, giving up isk like that".
which, in a way... If we look at what happened - people either gave up their things, for no isk, or bought things at higher than normal prices, for no reward. A lot of roleplayers kind of punished themselves, for the sake of this research race thing, and for what ? to change the order in which concept art is shown ? All four ships are probably going to be released at the same time anyway, so what was this whole thing for ?
Other than to troll the roleplay community ?
Just like those events a while back, about going into lowsec/nullsec to shoot those pirate laboratory things, that ended with a lot of players losing a fair bit of isk.
kind of looks a bit like there are some at ccp who see live events as a stick to beat roleplayers with, haha look at those stupid roleplay nerds, lets devise new ways to try and make them quit, hahahahaha.
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CCP does nothing, and people bitch that they do nothing. Then CCP does something, and people bitch that any prize that is offered isn't worthwhile. Or, in this example, bitch because they think they can't get the prize for themselves which obviously makes it a bad prize. Because obviously if you don't get something out of it it's a waste of time and money, right? A punishment, trolling, intentional griefing, harharhar.
I really don't get that belief at all. RP does not require rewards. At all. If you're RPing for a reward, then, quite frankly, you're doing it wrong.
Those of us who donated did so because having our imaginary faction win an imaginary research race is something we consider a better investment of our imaginary money than the various other imaginary past-times we are able to partake in in this imaginary universe. And guess what? Most of those of us who actually participated, enjoyed ourselves. Which is, you know, the whole point. You seem to think that we felt 'forced' to spend our money on this race, and that it's a 'punishment'. If it was, then we wouldn't have bothered (and a lot of people didn't and that's perfectly fine). But those of us who donated spent our money because we wanted to spend our money, because, once again, it's imaginary money. Everything we do in this game is a pointless waste of time because none of it has any purpose beyond personal fulfillment. It's up to us to decide what's a worthwhile investment and to make our own fun with what we do.
PIE collectively put about 20-25 billion isk into this race. I, for one, consider that a 20-25 billion well spent. That money normally just sat and collected dust in people's wallets or went towards ship replacements in an in-game war that has even less impact than this race. I personally bankrupted myself and sold off everything I had that was faction cruiser and above. And yet, instead of feeling punished, or mad for losing all of my money, I feel quite happy in the knowledge that my contribution actually helped my imaginary faction win something. Because, you know, I'm a roleplayer, and I find enjoyment out of using my imagination to add meaning to things that otherwise have none. This was, in fact, exactly the kind of thing that I want to be spending my money on. Helping my IC faction win an IC research race is a far better use of my money than buying a mission-running battleship or another 20 slicers for the pendulum war.
Also, no, they're not being released at the same time. In December only the Amarr ship is coming out, all the others will have to wait for later expansions. But frankly it wouldn't matter if they did come out at the same time because, personally, just having my faction win is more than enough reward.
Isk is imaginary money. Unless you can pull a Somer and find a way to monetize your in-game earnings in RL, there is no worthwhile use of it. Whether you are losing your money on ship replacements, on fuel costs, on manufacturing, or whatever, it's all just as pointless as losing it on a lore-building event. What matters is that you find fun in what you do with it.
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I was going to respond to Louella/Miz, but Samira made all the points I would have.
So + 1 Samira.
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Sami nailed it.
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Thirding the '+1 to Sami' sentiment.
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Recap for the unsubbed?
Amarr victor, yea? Did they release stats for the factions? Any ic shenanigans?
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Recap for the unsubbed?
Amarr victor, yea? Did they release stats for the factions? Any ic shenanigans?
Amarr Victor.
Yes, they released stats. (http://i.imgur.com/TQ4qtzN.png)
Only major IC shenanigan was the independent movement by Guillome.
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I've seen a few posts on forums, about this research race, and the sentiment expressed is "lol at roleplayers, giving up isk like that".
which, in a way... If we look at what happened - people either gave up their things, for no isk, or bought things at higher than normal prices, for no reward. A lot of roleplayers kind of punished themselves, for the sake of this research race thing, and for what ? to change the order in which concept art is shown ? All four ships are probably going to be released at the same time anyway, so what was this whole thing for ?
CCP does nothing, and people bitch that they do nothing. Then CCP does something, and people bitch that any prize that is offered isn't worthwhile. Or, in this example, bitch because they think they can't get the prize for themselves which obviously makes it a bad prize. Because obviously if you don't get something out of it it's a waste of time and money, right? A punishment, trolling, intentional griefing, harharhar.
Also, no, they're not being released at the same time. In December only the Amarr ship is coming out, all the others will have to wait for later expansions.
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?17932-Dev-Blog-Anomalous-Materials-The-Research-Race-of-YC-116&p=1192537&viewfull=1#post1192537
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?17932-Dev-Blog-Anomalous-Materials-The-Research-Race-of-YC-116&p=1192647&viewfull=1#post1192647
that's the attitude amongst some of the playerbase, that I was referring to. That's their impression of what happened - that people were scammed by CCP.
I didn't see anything about only the Amarr ship coming out in December. Where was this mentioned ?
Or is that just more of CCP's usual communication? where stuff is splattered across multiple twitters, livestreams, forumposts and it's easy to miss things that might change people's opinions ?
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Do relax a bit. I'm reasonably sure it's still not a crime to have differing opinions on CCPs various ventures, yeah? If someone considers this research race a scam and a waste of isk, then it's damn sure a valid viewpoint. I'll actually go so far as to consider it rather mindboggling that someone could spend isk on this and enjoy something that ultimately does nothing to push the story forwards even an inch, just like I can't for the life of me grasp the kind of mindset that is required to spend all their in-game hours mining. By all means, throw your isk at CCP and your gametime at asteroid belts, but I'll still reserve the right to have a different opinion on what constitutes a good CCP initiative.
This was not one of them.
With no advances in the storyline itself, the universe stagnates. This event did nothing to avoid that fate. CCP's got better things to do than one-shot "how much isk are people willing to part with" events that are frankly little more than hypemachines for new toys.
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I didn't see anything about only the Amarr ship coming out in December. Where was this mentioned ?
The same livestream where the results were announced.
Do relax a bit. I'm reasonably sure it's still not a crime to have differing opinions on CCPs various ventures, yeah? If someone considers this research race a scam and a waste of isk, then it's damn sure a valid viewpoint. I'll actually go so far as to consider it rather mindboggling that someone could spend isk on this and enjoy something that ultimately does nothing to push the story forwards even an inch, just like I can't for the life of me grasp the kind of mindset that is required to spend all their in-game hours mining. By all means, throw your isk at CCP and your gametime at asteroid belts, but I'll still reserve the right to have a different opinion on what constitutes a good CCP initiative.
Likewise, I can't grasp how you can have fun with trading. The market game is something I've never understood. But different strokes for different folks.
Like I said, there's nothing wrong with people not finding something like this event fun and choosing not to partake. I'm just tired of the constant complaining anytime anything happens. I, for one, am happy to have finally had a live event where I could participate in, as everything else that's been done since I started playing the game last year has been something I couldn't participate in. I'm sure Caldari Prime, the Caravanserai, Snipehunt, and Colelie were fun for the people who those events catered to, but all of those were less fun for me personally because I couldn't participate in any of them. This one I could, so I liked it.
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The complaining does have a reason though. CCP has very finite resources and seeing them wasted on things that does nothing to advance the storyline is vexing. Enjoy what you enjoy, but it's a point of irritation to see the universe remain stagnant.
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The cluster has been stagnant for some time now. At least it wasn't silent for the last couple weeks, as well. The silence is the unnerving part for me. Before we can ask for a specific type of world news and live events, we need world news and live events of any sort. This year has been one of the worst on record for World News. So to finally have something happen that everyone can participate in if they so wish was rather nice.
And it absolutely can have IC meaning for characters. There will be consequences for the character of Jace for not donating. I have this sneaking suspicion that a lot of the criticism is coming from those that do not like things that primarily revolve around the four empires and their competition with each other. Well, sorry - the four empires drive the cluster.
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And a second comment I have about the whole thing is that it turns out the naysaying that the event would be meaningless to participate in because the traders would dominate the donations and make everyone else irrelevant turned out to be completely wrong. It was the organized groups of people that made the difference because the trillionaires stayed out of it. So the organized participation of loyal groups of capsuleers are what turned out to be the most meaningful part of the event - you can't get much better than that for meaningful participation.
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Did nobody else see the bit of the live stream where both Seagull and Fozzie promised that there would be a lot more happening in universe, both as news items and actual Things™ in game?
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And CCP promising stuff tends to work out well for everyone involved.
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And CCP promising stuff tends to work out well for everyone involved.
I got a response from Seagull out of this on an AMA a while back, and it does seem like she wants to make EVE have something of a living world. Consider that she's only been in for about 2-3 months, and we've already had a reasonably successful event - already a change from the massive dry spell following CCP's last disastrous event. So, I'll remain cautiously optimistic that if the popularity of these events hold up, we might actually get to see some world activity.
The thing that concerns me is the lack of general background stuff happening. The Gallente election should be happening shortly, yet we've not heard a peep out of anyone - no candidates, no issues, nothing.
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Yeah, events are less important to me than the background moving on. We do our own stuff when it comes to events. We declare wars, we pew in space, hell... they're trying to resurrect the A'J thing. It's the continuation of the storyline that is needed to drive the RP forwards.
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I didn't see anything about only the Amarr ship coming out in December. Where was this mentioned ?
The same livestream where the results were announced.
Oh. Well, that's that then.
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I will say I am worried that there hasn't been any new world news yet about this.
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3 of the devs apparently missed a connecting flight on their way home after Vegas. It's possible Falcon was one of them. Since he usually is the one who posts the news articles (not sure if it's automated) it's possible he hasn't been in the office to do so yet or has had other stuff on his plate to work through first.
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The thing that concerns me is the lack of general background stuff happening. The Gallente election should be happening shortly, yet we've not heard a peep out of anyone - no candidates, no issues, nothing.
This. I might have a stroke if they don't do a series of World News about this.
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I wish they would hire one writer whose job was to write an article of NPC doings a week. Probably wouldn't even need to pay them much.
Of course, last time they tried something like that we ended up with Tony G, so maybe I should be careful what I wish for.
It has to be paid too. Because the person has to have the authority to make PF, and they were never willing to give volunteers that authority.
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I wish they would hire one writer whose job was to write an article of NPC doings a week. Probably wouldn't even need to pay them much.
Of course, last time they tried something like that we ended up with Tony G, so maybe I should be careful what I wish for.
It has to be paid too. Because the person has to have the authority to make PF, and they were never willing to give volunteers that authority.
If that were the case and it were up for vote. I'd vote for Gosakumori Noh to be that person.
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3 of the devs apparently missed a connecting flight on their way home after Vegas. It's possible Falcon was one of them. Since he usually is the one who posts the news articles (not sure if it's automated) it's possible he hasn't been in the office to do so yet or has had other stuff on his plate to work through first.
Got confirmation that Falcon did indeed miss the connection home to Iceland. Article probably will be up in a day or two. :)
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I honestly don't see how "Buy shit. Deliver to dude." is worth doing. These scavenger hunts never really appealed to me.
Primarily because it's something unique to EVE. :P I've done a million kill-fetch quests in MMOs. In EVE being able to participate purely through peaceful activities is something I find so cool.
Though I think it may have been better to establish set delivery stations rather than being able to contract from everywhere, to add a bit more content to it.
I'll be honest: At this point if CCP announced some event where some rare ore is discovered to exist in some small pockets of space all over EVE and you have to scan them out then mine them the old-school way to deliver to NPC rep for donation to be analyzed and it's properties understood, then possibly get bounty for it as time goes on, I'd re-sub right now and go do that.
It would require
A) exploration
B) mining
C) Risk assessment and security to evade/defeat and potential competition to your activities and it would be doable in high/low/null by pretty much anyone for some rep boost and/or recognition from the Empires/whoever you deliver this too. Hell traders would suddenly get something to heckle each other over, frantically trying to out-bid each other to get more of this stuff from the miners to deliver for their own fat rewards, if they make it profitable enough for the average Joe to sell it to them instead of delivering it to NPC's.
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There's no way I would participate in that kind of event. But I'm totally fine with that - I think there should absolutely be a variety of types of events. That sort I wouldn't participate in, others I would.
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I actually care less about events and more about the background world feeling alive. Hence my annoyance that there hasn't been any follow up news reporting on this.
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And just lack of news in general.
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World News isn't going to happen.
CCP have, in the past, stated that the translation of things into the supported languages is a bottleneck.
They're not going to hire people to write and translate world news.
Your best bet for more "world news", is if the Gutter Press staff win the lottery and no longer have to work day jobs, and can create stuff full time. Good luck with that.
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World News isn't going to happen.
CCP have, in the past, stated that the translation of things into the supported languages is a bottleneck.
They're not going to hire people to write and translate world news.
Your best bet for more "world news", is if the Gutter Press staff win the lottery and no longer have to work day jobs, and can create stuff full time. Good luck with that.
We'll never have as much as I would like, but we could certainly have a number closer to last year than this year.
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And just lack of news in general.
It's on my to-do list. really. (http://arcadianewsnetwork.net/)
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World News isn't going to happen.
CCP have, in the past, stated that the translation of things into the supported languages is a bottleneck.
They're not going to hire people to write and translate world news.
I am sorry, but if that is the actual excuse they gave it is piss-poor.
The primary site is sort of in 4 languages - English, German, French, and Russian. As I attempt to navigate around it in French, the site continual reverts to English even when there is a French page or even a page not-found errors (when an English page exists, but not a translation).
They still publish devblogs in English, sans translation to the other 3 languages - which have a bigger influence on actual game play than any world news/building does. So, a language barrier providing an unfair advantage is clearly not the issue.
The reason they don't want to do world news is because they do not want expend the effort on doing world news.
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What orange said. It is just a case of priorities. World News is not high on that list.
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I think a lot of the world news was done by the CCP Atlanta people, from what was White Wolf.
And since they closed all that down, then... :S
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-set-to-increase-prices-on-sleeper-components/
what items changed in price ? was it the ones in this research race thing ?
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I actually care less about events and more about the background world feeling alive. Hence my annoyance that there hasn't been any follow up news reporting on this.
Here you go Gaven!
http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/imperial-navy-declares-success-in-research-race/
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-set-to-increase-prices-on-sleeper-components/
what items changed in price ? was it the ones in this research race thing ?
Yes.
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It should be noted that it is a relative increase in price. They are still nowhere near pre-event levels. About another 12,000 units need to move in Jita before the prices start to get interesting again.
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/scc-set-to-increase-prices-on-sleeper-components/
what items changed in price ? was it the ones in this research race thing ?
Yes.
some of the hardware we have been able to analyze presents a potential safety risk to those who may handle or attempt to reverse engineer it.
Well, that's seems like a bit of a signal that the whole Arek'Jaalan thing is about to go down the tubes.
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It should be noted that it is a relative increase in price. They are still nowhere near pre-event levels. About another 12,000 units need to move in Jita before the prices start to get interesting again.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=382371&find=unread
what were the prices before the event ?
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The libraries were floating close to a million per if I remember correctly. I don't recall the other type, as I never paid attention to those.
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Honorary Fabricator-General Baton
Honorary Brigadier of Engineers Insignia
Honorary Federal Harbormaster Pennon
Honorary Fleet Architect Badge
items from the honorary commissions.
Everyone else gets a badge/flag type thing. Amarr gets a baton. To beat people with, lol.
Amarr victor :)
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Everyone else gets a badge/flag type thing.
What ?
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the other items listed there, are flags or badges, the amarr one is a baton, a stick.
they were mentioned in the patch notes.
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Stun Baton (https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Stun_Baton) for comparison.
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I would be so annoyed if my reward was a damned stick. "Do you have a flag?"
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A baton is better than an insignia or pennon in every way. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baton_(symbol))
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But, but, you could turn a flag into a cape.
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But, but, you could turn a flag into a cape.
Insignias, pennons, and badges are not flags.
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But, but, you could turn a flag into a cape.
Insignias, pennons, and badges are not flags.
Fine, you could turn a pennon into a small head-cape.
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PIE is so going to be beating people with this thing for the next decade. That is all.
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And ironically, it's all due to Makoto Priano, hah!